KEL TEC shotgun

I personally dont think the words Kel-Tec and Shotgun should ever be used in the same sentence, just doesn't sound right too me kinda like peanut butter and banana sandwich....but thats just me. Not that im an expert, the only kel-tec i ever owned was a P3at and it served its purpose just fine.

I'm a 870 fan myself,but this has my interest,somebody do a 250 round torture test.

The time for secrecy is nearing its end. This SHOT Show, Kel-Tec will be revealing its next ground-breaking product: the KSG (Kel-Tec Shotgun).

The KSG is our first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape and design are similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9lbs and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube). The simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard. The lever can be positioned in the center detent in order to easily clear the chamber without feeding another round from either magazine. A cross bolt style safety blocks the sear, and the pump release lever is located in front of the trigger guard.

The pump includes an under Picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, or a light or laser. The included top Picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.

MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.

That would go nicely with my RFB.
Whenever the distributor finally gets mine. /sigh

Capacity is 14+1 for the dual tube design with 2 3/4" shells. Probably have to wait a bit for the torture test though.

From Kel-Tec's website:

"The KSG is our first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape and design are similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9lbs and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube). The simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard. The lever can be positioned in the center detent in order to easily clear the chamber without feeding another round from either magazine. A cross bolt style safety blocks the sear, and the pump release lever is located in front of the trigger guard.

The pump includes an under Picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, or a light or laser. The included top Picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.

MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range."

I'll stick with the 870 Express for birds, but that looks like an impressive CQB shotgun.

wouldnt mind adding that to my collection...when is it supposed to be released??

I dunno, have to shoot it before I'd spend $800.00 on it...

Saiga does 20 from a drum all day long..

Dont' think I would pay 800 dollars neither. Definitely would have to take this out and run some rounds through it. Pretty sweet design though. I would like to see when this releases.

Interesting, but I agree with Ishootdaily and BtheKid, I'm not sure I would spend $800 on it, and if I did that thing better go to hell and back and keep on shooting. The 870 probably would and its at least $400 cheaper.

I like the concept but will have to check it out in person. 800 is an awful lot but 14 round pump is pretty awesome.

I'am a fan of Kel-Tec, but come on! For half that you could get a Saiga with a 20 round mag! This Bullpup Kel- Tec looks cool, but not $800 worth of cool!

Me, I'd rather have an AA-12!!!!!!

This gun looks awesome and the 14+1 ammo capacity is a good step forward, hopefully it wont be the Lindsy Lohan of shotguns and actually perform well, someone please do a torture test!

I'd expect it to be heavier than 6.7, though...that seems like a plus.

Kel-Tec seems to put a pretty high MSRP on their site-the RFB is MSRP at $1800, yet you can find it on the web for ~$1250. Considering the 30% real price difference, I'd imagine you'll be able to find this gun in the $550-$600 range some time in the next 2 years. Imo, the Bullpup is the gun of the future. It'll be interesting to see how this shotgun rates once they're available. This could be a great survival gun-one tube loaded with buckshot/sabot, the other loaded with birdshot, lightweight, compact, and good feature set out of the box. I'm definitely interested, but like many of you would like to see how it really performs once it is released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwN8jHSEhCE&feature=player_embedded

Looks like she's got some kick. Didn't look like they swapped tubes during the test fire though.

it has a long way to go before it is refined into something I would want to put rounds through.

You would think they would route some of the gases off and put together something like the Knox system....

they are following the KISS rule while having designed a Bullpup shotty,this looks like an affordable move,i'd guess a more advanced model at a higher price point is already a concept drawing sitting in someones drawer at KelTec

No way would I pay 800.00 for a pump shotgun. A lot of hipe for a weapon only worth 200.00 max. There are to many quality shotguns that hold 9 rounds and now the Semi auto Saiga's with a drum you can get a lot cheap.

Talked to my distributor again this week. They managed to corner the Kel-Tec guys at SHOT, all Kel-Tec wanted to talk about was the KSG. This doesn't sit too well with me, as I've been waiting now for several months for the RFB to get shipped again. All they'd tell them was "we're putting more lines into production for that rifle." Well, I heard that over a year ago. Distributor: We want 100 units, when can we expect them
Kel-Tec: As soon as we can get them produced. Hey, you wanna talk about our new shotgun?
Again, not even an estimate of date.
While the KSG is an interesting idea, when Kel-Tec can't even keep up with the production of their existing products (its not just the RFB, several other guns they sell are rather difficult to locate), I have to question the idea of pushing a new product that they probably won't have to market for another year.
Given this fact, I'm looking at a Saiga 12. As dockit mentioned, 20 round drum magazine available, numerous after market parts, and I won't have to wait 6 months to a year to get one. The Saiga will be a nice project gun for me, and most important, I'll be able to get one shipped in time for the 3 month snow goose spring season here, where we have unlimited round count and no limit on Snow Geese, Blue Geese, and Ross's Geese. We get them so thick in the flyway that they literally blacken the sky. One of my buddies and I are going to take a weekend this year to see if we can help trim their numbers a little and get ourselves a nice stockpile of goose jerky for the year to boot.
Saiga shotguns-saving the Arctic Tundra one dead bird at a time. For the $800 that Kel-Tec is suggesting as price on their KSG, I can get a Saiga, door breach muzzle, 20 round Pro-Mag, Intrafuse T6 grip and stock, gas piston, SGM Tactical Tri-Rail, and convert the Saiga to an AK style shotgun that's Semi-Auto, with a higher possible round count, more accessory mounting options, door breacher, and adjustable stock that is fully compliant with 922r regs.
Plus the wait time sucks for the rifle I've got on order now. I'll still wait for the RFB (I've already waited the initial time estimate that Kel-Tec gave the distributor, after this much time I might as well stick it out), but I've no desire to wait like this for another firearm from them.

preorders are being made at http://www.thegunsource.com/item/516040__Kel-Tec_Rifles_Shotguns_KSG_12_... 670.00 list price,

sounded to me like they expected to be a year behind by the time the KSG is actually available. If that's the case, it may be very similar to the RFB-~400 being produced per month, 12 month wait times. Several dealers that I've talked to are planning to delist the RFB from their websites because they just can't get them. The one I talked with on Friday said "I get more calls on this rifle than anything else on my site, but I don't have any stock."
I did find Kel-Tec's reasoning rather amusing though.

Here's the direct quote from their customer service on why there are very few RFB's on the market:
"Unfortunately, the engineers keep making more difficult rifles that have too many parts to them, like the RFB. That’s a lot more time it takes to put them together and shipped."

Regarding the KSG:
"As for the KSG, it was debuted this past SHOT in January, but we won’t even have the release date for it until the end of this year. Then we’ll have yet another year’s worth of backorders to get through. Hopefully, there aren’t so many parts that are very time consuming."

I wouldn't expect to see a KSG anytime this year outside of promotional videos.

I'm sure they will get some Demo guns out the door for the LE suppliers... Have to ask Felix if he is going to mess with it...

Still don't think it is going to be a "fun" weapon to shoot though...

with my Mossberg 590 and Saiga. I think I have the shotgun thing well in hand. Now I just need to send the Saiga in for a conversion. Maybe I'll go SBS conversion. Probably not.

consider AVGUNS....

Felix has mad skills with everything bang. He tacked out a Saiga 12 and set it up full auto for demo purposes ( his own I'm thinking ) and put it back semi. I didn't shoot it but he claimed it was a monster to shoot that way...

I'll be posting some video's in the next few days. I'm heading down to Manatee and we're going to shoot the SAW, UZI's, POF's and possibly an HK or two.

I'll ask him about the can's then also, I can't find that link but I'm going to ask him about it again also...

Ask him what his Military Discount is also, he handles DPMS AR10's and I think the POF also in 308 too.

I know it will be a bit but it will give you some kind of idea of what his pricing would be now so later on it should reflect against the going rate then..

I had pretty well settled on E-Tac out of Hawaii because they redrill the receiver and move all the fire controls forward rather than just throwing a pistol grip on there, but if I can keep the money in a state that is more gun friendly than Hawaii, then I'll do it (assuming the prices are comparable, of course). I appreciate the heads up.

I'm on the southern end of Cuba. Try to piss off my detainees with the gunfire. Guess you'll be needing something a bit more substantial than an M249, huh?

Could burn a Koran and video tape it, upload and you could leave a door strategically ajar. LOL

Or better yet "PISS ON IT"

I've been called all sorts of names, it's only a matter of time before I get splashed with a shit cocktail, but that's okay. When I get to Afghanistan, I'm gonna kill some women and kids and it'll be their fault. Hee hee hee.

I got an alcohol-fueled mental image of Marlow lighting up a house full of civilians with a MK-19, calling out detainee identification numbers. I'm all warm inside now.

yeah, just don't get off the boat...

I don't get it. I need some damned orange juice for my vodka.

He was down there for a little while during WWII...
Then over to Puerto Rico guarding Sub's...

Said that guys would end up floating if out and about at night.. So they would tell the new guys "Don't get off the boat" and then get off the boat to go drink.

One of my house mates actually went swimming two nights ago and got fucked up by a jellyfish. He's still in the hospital. I've gone snorkeling once here and will prolly do it again, but damned sure not when I'm drunk and damned sure not at night

From what I've read in the new Tactical Weapons mag the LA Sheriffs dept is going to adopt it. Seems it fits their needs for a High Capacity Shotgun which is a Pump for entry purposes.

Dunno, maybe the price will drop after a bit like the RFB did. I still would like one of the RFB's but I still refuse to pay what they are asking right now.

Anyone know any good accessories for this? I got a few ideas but not sure yet. I want some type of red dot scope with flip up iron sites that can be used if the red dot fails, like what goes on the AR’s. I want some type of pistol grip, I was thinking of one with a light on the grip. Any advice?

I'd probably put a dual rail on it which mounted to the top rail and had a rail at 45 degree's. Then hang a green dot laser on it. It looks like it comes with flip up AR style sites from what the picture shows...

I would also consider a Holo site over a red dot. but that is just personal preference.

Pistol grip with built in light mount would be good...

Depending on budget, you can check out Yankee Hill, Troy Industries and any number of manufactures of AR add on Goodies and additional mounting options...

Though, I wouldn't go overboard, after all, it is a QCB weapon for the most part.

ya the holo site does look better. what is QCB, quick shange barrel?

sorry about that, type O on my part, QCB = CQB... Close Quarter Battle....

Meaning 25 yards and less..

wasn't ignoring you, went up to the store real quick...

awwwww got ya, i know its just a shotgun but figured id take it all the way, there a AR is in my future though.

not just a shotgun, but a very ready defensive device for sure.

with the new shotgun shell designs it should perform just fine and be usable beyond 25 yardss without question.

I want to shoot one before I put any money out on one. It looks as if it hits like a bear, but who knows until you shoot it.

I like the Saiga 12, Rem 870 and Moss 500 but if the KSG doesn't hit any harder I would definitly like to have one once all the kinks are out of it if any creep up.

Well my gun guy is pretty good at getting new guns, and I’m first on his list, but who knows. When I do get it ill let you know how it kicks, does look hard though.

Figured I better get one from Russia before the BATFE bans import.

Its funny people thought in 2010 that the ksg was gonna go for $500-$800, in the next 2 years. Its now almost 2013 and you cant even find one!, let alone for that price. You can pick one up on gunbroker.com for about $1200-1300. Far from keltecs msrp, it looks like it turned out to be the "PMR-30" of shotguns! Awesome lookin gun, but not for a $1200 plus price tag. Go saiga for sure