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4 years 14 weeks ago, 4:41 AM

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LAS VEGAS -- Three Las Vegas police officers were involved in a shooting at a Costco near Charleston and Pavilion Center in northwest Las Vegas.

Police have released few details about the shooting, but say the suspect was shot by three officers while exiting the store, He died from his injuries. Friends and family members say the suspect is Erik Scott, a West Point graduate, and in his 30's. One friend said Scott was at Costco to pick up a prescription.

"The individual was shot -- its out in the open area right near the tire store. He was transported to UMC where he was pronounced dead at that point," said Metro Capt. Patrick Neville. "He had a weapon on him. I know the question is going to come up. The weapon is laying right out in front of the store. We also found another weapon when we transported him to the hospital."

The incident happened just before 1 p.m. Saturday. Police were called when Costco workers saw the suspect destroying merchandise inside the store. Someone noticed the suspect had a gun and store security evacuated customers and employees.

Police say when they approached the suspect, he drew a weapon and pointed it at officers. After refusing to drop the weapon, three officers fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect numerous times.

Costco employee Brenda Franklin says the scene was frightening. "We were told to immediately evacuate the store. No one told us why. They just told us to get out of the store. We immediately dropped what we were doing and exited. As soon as I got to the front door, I heard about five shots," she said.

There were no other reports of injuries. Officers credited the Costco security staff for evacuating everyone out of the store in a timely manner

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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Well,

CC permit or not, pulling your weapon on LE is gonna get you killed so innocent maybe but smart not so much. How is it that people were able to see his weapon in the first place? And there is also the matter of destroying merchadise.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 10:20 AM

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innocent?

destroyed merchandise, drew on police and refused to drop the weapon. Assuming the facts are correct, how is he innocent? I would have lit his ass up too.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 11:02 AM

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Costco Shooting

I m not sure what is up for debate here... You pull a gun on anyone you better be ready to kill or be killed... This guy sounds like he used the police to comitt suicide...

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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WTF, this is the wrong title for this story. This is excactly what the media puts out there. They take a completely GOOD shoot and turn it against LE. One....LE had legal justification to be there..Two, he had a weapon and drew it. Three..case closed. you dont pull on LE...NEVER

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 1:47 PM

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Who says this guy was innocent?

You only shoot at the cops in New York or LA when they are trying to rob you if you are a drug dealer or pimp.... (Just kidding of course)

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 2:01 PM

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Yup TL

So like a sucide by cop situation to me but then who knows. What I do know is NEVER draw down on LE!

4 years 14 weeks ago, 2:08 PM

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I've looked at other news reports about this shooting. Some say that none of the witnesses stated that he drew his weapon. Other witnesses say that he wasn't being disruptive in the store at all... so who knows? Maybe LVPD opened fire prematurely, and are now trying to cover their asses by saying that Mr. Scott drew his weapon and disobeyed orders. Maybe Mr. Scott drew on police and deserved to be put down. Who knows what the truth is... that’s why I hate the news. As I stated earlier, if the facts reported in this article are true, then there shouldn't even be a discussion that the police used correct protocol.

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 2:21 PM

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Costco should have cameras, with any luck they will show what happened...

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 6:59 PM

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Mistakes were made by both parties in my opinion. I think what it all came down to was someone that worked at Costco made alot bigger deal out of the situation then it was! I'am sure the 911 call included the words Crazy, Gun, Danger, things to that nature. The police responded thinking they were dealing with nut with a gun and it wasn't the case. Please remember when you have a CCW how to interact with Law Enforcement!

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4 years 14 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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i agree

sounds like suicide by cop all the way... he had two weapons and never got a shot off??? wow...

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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what really happened

I LIVE IN LAS VEGAS AND HERES WHAT I PRETTY MUCH KNOW. I CAME ACROSS THIS STORY AND IT PISSED ME OFF SO BAD I OPENED AN ACCOUNT AT THIS WEBSITE JUST TO POST THIS. ITS FUNNY HOW BAD THE COVER UP REALLY IS. THE GUN SHOPS I GO TO (2 DIFFERENT ONES) KNEW THE OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTINGS AND SELL THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES FIREARMS, ETC... BTW I AM A CCW PERMIT HOLDER IN LAS VEGAS. HERES THE REAL STORY TOLD BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE 4+ AND INCLUDING A PERSON THAT WAS THERE.

A CCW PERMIT HOLDER WAS IN COSTCO AND WAS BENT OVER LOOKING AT SOMETHING ON A SHELF WHEN AN EMPLOYEE SAW HIS PISTOL IN THE BACK OF HIS PANTS (HIS SHIRT LIFTED TO HIGH.) THE EMPLOYEE TOLD A SUPERVISOR AND HE CAME TO THE MAN AND ASKED HIM TO LEAVE THE STORE NO FIREARMS WERE PERMITTED INSIDE. THE MAN SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF "ITS OK I HAVE A CCW AND IM FROM TEXAS ITS OK IM NOT HERE TO HURT ANYONE" ETC. THE MAN REFUSED TO LEAVE BECAUSE IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO CARRY AND HE WAS FROM TEXAS AND ITS NO BIG DEAL. THE SUPERVISOR CALLED POLICE AND SAID "THERES A MAN WITH A GUN HERE AND HE REFUSES TO LEAVE THE STORE" POLICE SHOWED UP WITH ONLY THAT INFO. WHEN POLICE CONFRONTED HIM HE TRIED TO EXPLAIN HE WAS A PERMIT HOLDER AND ITS OK. GUNS DRAWN POLICE INSTRUCTED HIM TO PUT HIS HANDS ON HIS HEAD. HERES THE MISTAKE HE MADE. WHILE HE WAS TALKING TO THEM HE TRIED TO SAY I DO HAVE A FIREARM ON ME ITS ON MY WAIST HERE TAKE IT AND LIFTED HIS SHIRT UP AND REVELED THE PISTOL. THEN HE SUPPOSEDLY NOT CLEAR ON THIS WENT TO GET IT OUT OF HIS PANTS TO TOSS IT "LIKE A SCEEN FROM A MOVIE" AND OFFICERS SHOT HIM DOWN. SUPPOSEDLY THERE WERE 8 SHOTS FIRED ON HIM BEFORE HE HIT THE GROUND. THERE WERE THREE OFFICERS. I GUESS IN THAT SITUATION ITS LIKE A DOMINO EFFECT ONCE THE FIRST SHOOT FIRED EVERYONE SQUEEZES THE TRIGGER. BACKGROUND ON THE POLICE INVOLVED. THERE WERE 3. 2 OF THEM HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SHOOTINGS RESULTING IN A DEATH. IF YOU SHOOT SOMEONE AS A METRO POLICE OFFICER YOU GET A 6 MONTH PAID VACATION BTW. THATS WHAT HAPPENED AND THE MAN THAT HAD THE PERMIT DID THE WRONG THING. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID NO QUESTIONS ASKED. HE WAS RIGHT TELLING THEM HE HAD HIS WEAPON ON HIM AND ITS HERE BUT SHOULD HAVE NEVER REACHED FOR IT TO HAND IT OVER JUST PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEAD AND DO WHAT YOUR TOLD. HE NEVER POINTED THE GUN AT THEM OR HELD IT IN A FASHION WHERE HE LOOKED LIKE HE COULD FIRE IT PROBABLY AS SAFE AS YOU COULD HOLD A FIREARM TO TOSS TO ANOTHER PERSON BUT I DONT KNOW THAT FOR SURE HE EVEN HAD TIME TO GRAB IT I BELIEVE HE WAS SHOT BEFORE HE GOT A CHANCE TO PULL IT OUT OF HIS PANTS. THE OTHER WEAPON THEY SAID HE HAD WAS PROBABLY A POCKET KNIFE. PRESS BLOWING IT WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.

4 years 8 weeks ago, 10:42 AM

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UHJOSHUA, Welcome

to Gunslot, thanks for the clarification on this story. I agree that the fatal mistake was not doing EXACTLY what he was told, very sad!

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