this may be a dumb question but i am new to this gun game but trying to learn more everyday, but which of the two for home defense has the more stopping power, 40 or 9mm. thanks.
40 cal has more power. I prefer the 9mm, but 40 is heavier and faster?
9 mm with 124 grain fmj has 249 foot ponds of enery at the muzzle
40 with a 155 grain hp has 379 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle
A better choice for home defense is a good old fashion 12 gauge shotgun with double 00 buck.
It is up to you about which gun you like best. 40 S&W is a good round to with more knock down power. If you us a 12 guage shotgun use number 6 or smaller shoot. Double 00 buck is good, but if you have love ones in another room from where the bad guy is. The double 00 buck will go thru the dry wall and could hit one of your family members. Number 6 shoot of bird shoot will not go thru 2 sheets of dry wall.
Nothing wrong with a 40 or 45.., but for me, I usually carry and shoot a 9mm. You can shoot them all day, not much recoil, very cost effective; about half the price of 45's., they are very accurate and come in every size, shape, and style. They are very versatile with respect to weight and energy. I usually shoot less costly rounds for practice, then shoot a proven high performance cartridge in a mag or two. I have many factory loads that are well over 400 in energy and one that is right a 500 right from the factory. I have some pistols that hold more that 17 rounds. I don't think its needed but its there. I usually carry a BHP with only a 10 round mag and a spare. I have a 40 round mag for it too for fun. It is a great pistol. Truth be told, they are all very capable cartridges. Couldn't go wrong with any of them. I just think the Nine is the best combination of cost effectiveness, portability, power, magazine capacity, and selection of pistols available.
I would have to see the actual numbers for a 9 mm getting in the 400-500 ft. pounds of energy area on factory loads. Those numbers you are matching if not exceading a 45 ACP and that is border line fishy.
corbon's 115gr. +P round gets 466 ft/lbs
I still prefer .40S&W
12 gauge loaded with low recoil 00 9 pellet buckshot, why low recoil? so you can pump the next round faster, if its needed.
I would love to see how much and what kind of power those guys are loading into that case. I have looked through all my reloading manuals and there is nothing close to that for a 9 mm. I wander how long of a barrel they are shooting those out of to get that velocity also, I do not think your going to hit those speeds out of a four inch barrel. Without those velocities your energy is going to fall on it's face.
I picked up a Sig P229 not too long ago and had a chance to put 100 rds thru it. I've had a S&W Model 59 for a long time. There is no doubt the 40 has more stopping power. Go to a range and rent both before you buy. .40 has more recoil than the 9mm, especially if you go with a Polymer. Last weekend I was able to compare my Sig against my buddies Glock.The more you shoot the less noticable the recoil will be.
Just go check out the offerings from Buffalo Bore. They have lots of high performance rounds. One of them is the one mentioned above. The barrel lenghts are given. My BHP is listed there as well and has a 4 5/8 barrel. These would not be rounds that one would want to shoot everyday. They are not designed as such. They are rounds to carry when more power is desired. The recoil is quite a bit different than most 9 mm, but they are certainly managable. The key here in my mind, is not to diminish the 40s or 45s, but simply to illustrate that if power is desired with respect to the 9mm, it is easily accomplished. The nine can be loaded quite hot, and is more than adequate for any situation that one may encounter.
I spoke with a DEC cop. He told me you can get 9mm rounds that would be effective for deer. I would not try it but he claimed he had taken deer with a 9mm pistol. +p loads are fast and hot. Whne I questioned him about deer with a 9mm, he made the point of taking a deer with an arrow @ 350 Ft/sec. The cutting power is strong with a JHP corbon. He made a point that centerfire cartridges are legal in NY.
What do you think?
Yep Demo, make no mistake about it. A hot loaded 9mm with definitely kill a deer. Where I live, it is perfectly legal to hunt deer with a 9mm pistol. I don't know anyone that does however. I do know a guy that used a 40 on one with good results. He said it was 25 yards away. I wouldn't consider the 40 an adequate round for deer either, but it worked for him. I use a 44 mag for deer hunting. I consider it to be the best true handgun round for deer. For the hot nines, it is the same question that is often asked of the .357 for so called large game, although .357s have killed much larger game than deer. The smaller bores are simply less forgiving with respect to shot placement. Although, I think shot placement tends to be much better for the average shooter with a smaller bore handgun, or rifle for that matter, than with a large bore, hot loaded round. Your friend is right about the Bow thing too. The deer, without proper shot placement will die, but may travel greater distances, making finding them more difficult and adding to undue suffering by the animal.
I agree Hillbilly, I do not think any of us consider the 9mm to be adequate for hunting deer under normal conditions. We were just attempting to illustrate that today the 9mm can be loaded quite hot. It was designed for war not for hunting deer. That is what parabellum means after all. It has served in that capacity since 1904 I think. todays loads and bullet design have made it more potent than ever. I was just attempting to suggest that the 9mm is a viable option for defense. People constantly suggesting that the 9mm is anemic is simply no longer an accurate description.
last year in a friends garage he and two other guys had deer hanging.one deer was shot with a bow the second was shot with a .54 caliber muzzle loader using round ball and the third was harvested with a .30-06 modern rifle.DONT ASK ABOUT SEASONS AS I DONT HAVE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN!JUST GO WITH IT!they asked me to look at the skinned and hanging animals and tell which animal was harvested with which weapon.now mind you,i been hunting deer since i was a kid using all the above methods and i could not distinguish between the wound channels to be able to tell what weapon had done what.so in closing,i think it is more about the shot placement than the weapon chosen to harvest an animal!
Game wardens don't hear the .22 near as well as bigger cartridges, for those other people who don't have time to worry about seasons. Not the most effective round out there, but I know my family has taken a bunch with them. DON'T JUDGE US!!!!
i aint sayin' nuthin'!been there done that!works good!
I guess it all depends on where you live and the size of the deer. Where i live in northern Canada ( not to far from the world record whitetail ) i cant imagine using 9mm pistols or 22lr on deer. The mulies and even the white tail can be huge on the hoof. I guess it might work at a short range, but why take the chance, especially if you run into a real monster. Up here distance shots are the norm with rounds such as the 300 win mag, 300 wthby, 7mm rem mag, 270 ect. My wife fires a 25-06, and i think that is an awesome long range deer round. Just thought i'd give my 2 cents. P.S, i think this is the best gun site i have been on, you guys sure have alot of gun knowledge and i have learned a great deal over the last week.
My cousin took a deer with a 22. He was out for rabbit and walked up on a 4 point. He had to track for a long time and got lucky finding it. Not the best wound chanel.....not for me stay with at least a .223
As for a 9mm handgun I will try to see how far out my shot will be accurate. I am good at 25 yards and pie plating at 50. Practice practice practice..............
There was an old indian woman up in slave lake AB in the 60's who shot a grizzly with an old 22 single shot. The bear started to harass her while she was out picking berries. She shot it in the eye and dropped it instantly. It stands as the 8th largest grizzly ever taken in Alberta. True story!
The wound channel of a gun causes massive tissue damage which makes the meat blood shot. An arrow at least all the deer I have shot cause little to no tissue damage other than razor cuts.
when it hits bone if it has slowed some. deer taken with a .22lr or .22mag work the best when its a head shot. kinda makes 'em fall right over. less tracking that way. when i bow hunt i take a 9mm with me incase i have problems (more and more hunters are finding meth labs in the woods)and yes at just less than 25 yds i have droped a doe. 147 grain jhp droped over before i ever lost sight of her. why didnt i shoot it with an arrow? my bow was in a tree having been just run up a line as i was getting ready to climb to my stand. i used what i had available
have, you ever shot a Buck and it came at you?