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.45 ACP Vs. .45 GAP

Whats the main difference in the .45 ACP and .45 GAP? Will the GAP work in 1911's and Glocks? Or is the GAP designed for Glocks only?

From what I read on Wikipedia and I Quote

" The .45 GAP has the same diameter as the .45 ACP pistol cartridge, but is slightly shorter, and uses a small-pistol primer instead of the large-pistol primer most commonly used in .45 ACP ammunition. "

Other than that what safety issues would it create firing a GAP in a 1911 platform?
What damage could it do to a 1911 platform?
Would it even fire in a 1911 platform?

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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snake.from what i have read the gap develops higher chamber pressures,and would therefore be unsafe.not to mention it is shorter and would probably not be very acurate because of the jump it would have to make to the rifleing,if it would even chamber.wikipedia is in my experiance not a good place to get info on anything especialy guns.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:07 PM

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Cliff Walsh loads up 45gap cases with his own load spec's and runs it through his S&W 625 45 acp revolver.

Works fantastic for him shooting a 200 grain fmj and 2.5 of Clays powder.

In a Semiauto you would have to have a barrel chambered for it which could swap onto the 1911 frame and possibly mags.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:09 PM

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I dont take wikipedia as being the truth however it does give a few points that can be verified by googling.

As for the GAP just gonna say I have not shot and GAP in my 1911 and I dont have any GAP's in the first place and most importantly I will not attempt it.

Never hurts to ask a question on ammo similarities. One day I may buy a Glock Chambered for .45 GAP but personally I aint a fan of Glock. Maybe instead of buyin one I will find someon who has one in .45 GAP and Test Fire it.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:12 PM

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230 Gr FMJ in my 1911 and I am collecting up .45 ACP JHP's for when I get my CC Liscence this summer. Right now I have only a box of 50 JHP's.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:16 PM

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Glock gave them gun for gun on their Beretta 96's with a service contract of course....

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:36 PM

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Once again from reading Wikipedia it says and I quote

" Five state law enforcement agencies have adopted the .45 G.A.P. as a replacement to their current issue 9×19mm Parabellum (New York) or .40 S&W service handguns (Georgia, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Florida). The New York State Police, Georgia State Patrol, Pennsylvania State Police, South Carolina Highway Patrol, and Florida Highway Patrol[2] have all adopted the Glock 37 and .45 G.A.P.

Due to its acceptance by law enforcement and the popularity of subcompact handguns for concealed carry, more manufacturers have decided to produce pistols chambered in .45 G.A.P., including some Para-Ordnance M1911s and the Springfield Armory XD. "

A quick search on google confirms that 1911's do come in .45 GAP and so does a few springfields.

For the 1911 example is the Para Ordnance PXT LDA Carry Gap .45 Gap

http://www.gundealeronline.com/Para-Ordnance-PXT-LDA-Carry-Gap-45-Gap-p/...

And for Springfield is the Springfield Armory's XD

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory04.php

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:51 PM

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We had a Case of 45 gap sitting on the shelf in the back for almost 3 years.

Until the price meets ACP I doubt it will become really something people will invest in.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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Well to me it is a similiar problem faced by the 357 sig. Probably not going to be major players down the road. Its not because they are not good. They are both good. The problem is there are plenty of good calibers offered in other platforms. I know that most people believe that calibers adopted by police departments are later adopted by civilians..while that was true in the past, it is less the case now. For example; the AR platform was adopted by america and then some police departments. The 1911 is the most popular hand gun in the world and few departments carry them. The 9 mm is more capable than ever and theyy are seldom carried by the police now. In other words, if you work in a police department you may care about the gap. Or if you a glock die hard maybe, but no one else will.

3 years 39 weeks ago, 9:44 PM

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look and see what your local LEO's carry and make use of it in the same caliber, or at least the same in the caliber of your choice...

GoldDOT being the Standard in Florida pretty much... Most carry .40's with DOT's in them ...

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 9:58 PM

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Well that sounds ok. Sounds like masad ayoob. I read everything he writes. But if that were truly believed how could there possibly be so many 45 acp..1911s.. almost no police forces use them. How do the still sell so many 357 magnums.. no police forces use them. 9 mm sell more ammo than the 40 by a wide margin.. in other. Words people know what calibers work. They also can choose their own platforms. We are not forced to use what some departments use..many of their decisions are based on cost which is somewhat of a concern and other factors that are of little concern for many

3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:23 PM

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Mas offers this advice to keep people from using what he calls mouse guns and handloads for self defense. It is good advice indeed..in one of his books he has a scenerio where they ask someone involved in a shooting.. why did you use that hollow point bullet... the answer was.. well the police use this bullet to protect me so it must be a good choice.. good advice..but even Mas carries a 1911 and has carried a browning hi power. He also bought his daughter a S&W model 19 snub 357 magnum.. so there you go. He is excellent and gives excellent advice.. but even he didn't buy his daughter a department issued caliber in that case.

3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:33 PM

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If your using the same as the Local Police the DA can't claim your picking ammo to kill and maim which is completely retarded, what the fuck did you shoot the person for if you did not intend to kill them...

Then again, you don't say that, you say you shot to stop the dangerous situation from escalating. blah blah blah....

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:29 PM

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True, everyone will and does carry what they want or can...

But it's a fact that at our range and most of the ranges in the area, the .40 is the round of choice 80 % of the time. In response to being asked why, you will be told it is what the local police carry.

Some departments still carry .45's and some even carry 9 mils.

I carry a 9 because I know I can place my shots quickly and on target, capacity is also a factor. If your dealing with more than one person, or if you have to keep their head down while you move, starting with 20 rounds comes in handy.... The extra mag or mags do also....

I think you are correct with your point on the GAP...

45 ACP costs enough now that people complain when buying target loads let alone defense rounds and with GAP your going to add another 10 dollars a box to it easy....

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:45 PM

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the 40 really

That's interesting. Its not popular at all here. And I know you shoot daily so I understand the 9 mm for you for sure! Ha. Who could afford to shoot a 45 acp or 45 gap daily...ouch! I know you can shoot ISD. With a name like that there is no doubt.

3 years 39 weeks ago, 10:55 PM

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Or better yet, one of those MACH 17's....

I think it is because there are more younger active shooters in the area really. Almost all of the older shooters WWII, Korea, Vietnam era shooters carry 1911's with a few revolvers. Those in their 40's and younger tend to stick with the 40.

Most shoot 1911's and Glocks in IPSC around here, so it is on the high side for the 45 acp with the Glocks shooting 40 though there are a few shooting STI and Tanfoglo 40 Limiteds. Again the 40 in IPSC is capacity, 17 - 20 20S&W equals less mag changes equals faster times...

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 3:02 PM

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that makes sense

Most people here shoot 9 mm or 45s in autos and 357/38 or 44s in revolvers. Your area must have a lot of competitors. My area has mostly hunters with a. Lot of rifles and shotguns and one or two pistols if any. I love pistols so I am an anomaly here.

3 years 39 weeks ago, 3:00 AM

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the .45GAP is a dead end cartridge. It's just a .45 Kurz (short .45) and, since the .45ACP is cheaper and more available, I don't think the GAP will do anything but die off.

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3 years 39 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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I agree. The police may use them for awhile until they realize that it doesn't make any sense 10 years from now when they are the only people on earth using them.

3 years 39 weeks ago, 7:00 PM

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think 480 ruger

A good round looking for a reason to exist..not finding one..no longer matters

3 years 39 weeks ago, 5:36 AM

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Yeah, that sums it up. Same as the .50GI. It sounded cool until you realize that it's just a fat .45ACP with bad ballistics.

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