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5 years 51 weeks ago, 10:42 AM

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If you see his posts, let me know and I will delete them!
Another Liberal 86'd!
Thanks guys.

5 years 51 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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it seems that every time someone posts against what you believe (exceptions of course)you paint them with the liberal paint brush and proceed to erase everything they say.some members have begun to stay away because of these actions and lack of pertinent topics as well.Even Reaper is a little less heavy handed with the erase button.moderate questionable content(offensive language)not someone's opinion.remember,with the first amendment each and every one of us is entitled on this site to have our opinions even if you dont agree with it.if you want to moderate something,moderate the lame topics that have been showing up lately!

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 12:42 PM

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In moderating, the point is to keep things in moderation. I have deleted alot of lame, offensive or otherwise stupid posts. As to the First Ammendment, it does not pertain to this sight as it is not a public forum. This is a privately owned and maintained sight. 5in1oil may go out on the streets and bitch as much as he wants, but when he comes in here he will maintain a modicum of decency. 5in1 has called you and I and all the members here morons. I for 1 will not put up with this from anyone. You are all my friends and in a sense family. I have my hand on the delete button for the good of this community and family. If this 5in1 came into my home, he would be carried out for the things he has said. I also consider this my home. If I am too heavy handed for you, just say the word and I am gone. I hope it doesn't have to come to that, but so be it.

5 years 51 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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and I apologize if it is, but there is often a serious mis-understanding of the first amendment. This amendment says that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. In other words, the government of the United States is prohibited from telling you what you can say. After 200 years of court cases there HAVE been some limits. You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire and expect to use the First Amendment to defend yourself.

But the biggest issue is that the First Amendment has nothing to do with a private site, thus the Hare Krishnas can be prevented from distributing literature in a privately-owned mall, but not in a publicly-owned airport. We have NO 'free-speech rights' on these forumes. They are 'public' in the sense that you can get to them, like the lobby of a hotel, but they are not 'public' in the sense that this is government land, like a park or a sidewalk.

Having said that, there is obviously some confusion on what is and is not allowed. The Terms & Conditions are not clear on this point. You can't say out of one side of your mouth, 'Free speech for everyone!" and on the other side of your mouth jump on a member because they might have accidentally made another member 'feel bad.' Which is it? Are some people more equal than others here?

That's why I renew my call for the site owners and moderators, at least, to get together and solve these issues to promulgate a clear directive on expectations. The owners, Marvin and Quinton, are pretty much hands-off on this site. I've seen exactly one post from each of them. For all intents and purposes, they seem to have gotten it going and then left it. IMO moderators ought to be given the power to eliminate accounts so that this stuff doesn't fester. Right now moderators have their hands tied and can eliminate only posts. That's like being an unarmed cop. And the 'force' is hardly big enough to do the job they can in the first place.

If the moderators are too heavy handed you certainly should have an avenue of complaint. Ultimately greasypaws is absolutely correct. People will come here or not based on how well the site is meeting their needs. If traffic is going up, something must be going right. If not, it isn't. How hard is that to figure out?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 51 weeks ago, 12:52 PM

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samD and schuyler

i agree with both of your points to some or all extent.sam,no i dont wish for you to go away as we are all part of something here.

5 years 51 weeks ago, 1:57 PM

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my thoughts

First, you guys are right, the 1st ammendment doesn't apply to this site. Since it is privately owned, only the owners (MarvQuin LLC) have the right to decide who should be able to be members (as of now). This is why Sam and I don't have the ability to disable accounts. Personally, I would not delete an account for someone's liberal opinions. I believe they are entitled to speak their mind as the rest of us are. I WOULD disable the accounts of people who are trying to spam us, or enter the site only to start shit (making outrageous claims with nothing to back them only to start fights, and who are unable to conduct a civil conversation/argument).
That said, I too feel like the over censorship of this site is getting a little out of hand. Sam, one example: None of the comments were deleted where F350 and Joeydoughnuts were going at each other in the glock topic (which is fine, they're both grown men)... but as soon as 5in1 makes a comment directed towards you, it is deleted immediately. You said that you look at this site as "your home" and that 5in1 should be carried out for his remarks. Rightly so, if this was your home, but I believe its OUR home collectively, not your's personally. As you all probably know from my previous posts about this stuff, I'm against the censorship based on belief and only agree with it if the shit is totally across the line. If someone calls me a "moron", so what, it's not going to hurt my feelings. I'm with greasy, I don't want Sam to leave at all. Sam, you add great content and character to the site, I just don't like the feeling I'm getting that this site is turning into a private club where only identically minded people can participate.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 51 weeks ago, 2:34 PM

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Not true at all Reaper

I said, If he said that in my home{ personal residence } he would be carried out.
5in1 added nothing to this sight. He was just stupid and argumentative. I believe this IS OUR Home collectively and I will not let anyone shit in it.
The liberals have millions of sites to play on and we have so very few. I was only trying to keep it free from outsiders who just want to fight. I let 5in1 stay and then he started up again. So Fuck Him, he is out of here.

5 years 29 weeks ago, 4:59 AM

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 3:49 PM

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you are useless nothing you say is worth responding to. You are a useless

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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Here's his post: "Nitris: You are a lapdog. If you were in Sandy's nuts you be his dick."

"RESPECT IS THE KEY Guns Lot is a place where it's okay to be yourself -- be that harried, jovial, silly or sad -- as long as you always act with respect for your fellow Guns Loters."

"Don't attack others. Personal attacks, including accusations of wrongdoing, are not allowed in the public areas of the forums, even if they are well intentioned (ie, to "warn others"). Guns Lot is not a place to air your grievances. If you have a dispute with somebody, please keep it in private or risk having your posts removed or being banned. Thank you."

Now, does his post violate this FAQ or not? Reaper? Are you saying that kind of post is allowed under the guidelines? Would it be 'censorship' to remove it?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:04 PM

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5in1

it may not seemf air to him, but im tired of the liberal crap on tv and the media, and sadly, he spews the same shit, and i kinda like the liberal free gunslot. i dont hate 5in1 but i hate liberals.

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:07 PM

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schuyler

Like we have said from the beginning of these debates.... If we are going by the FAQ's... 3/4 of the posts on this site are in violation and should be deleted. I DO believe that the 5in1's comment to nitris was a bit out of line... the deletion of these kinds of posts is not what I am against. Its the the deletion of all posts, even if civil, and the attempt choose who can be members like some sort of online fraternity that I am against. I will delete 5in1's last comment for arguments sake, although it really wasn't that offensive. MUCH worse has been said in public forums and public blogs on this site way before you were around. Just keep in mind, you're the one that said that you didn't want to be told what to do... isn't that what we're doing to 5in1? Also, look around at numerous threads on gunslot, you will find all types of name calling and nasty messages that were never complained about because they wern't posted by liberal weenies.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:26 PM

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and that's where I see a discontinuity here. I'd like to see consistency here. Right now we are at sea because even the moderators disagree on what constitutes bad behavior. I have felt, once in awhile, 'castigated' (not censored) here for posting what I consider perfectly reasonable posts--not calling anyone any names whatsoever, yet I see 5in1's posts calling everyone morons as if that's okay. That makes no sense to me.

Now, in a legal context (I'm not saying this is one) if you do not enforce the covenants (in a neigborhood situation) or the rules (such as in a staff manual), then they become unenforceable. You just claimed 3/4s of the posts were in violation: "If we are going by the FAQ's... 3/4 of the posts on this site are in violation and should be deleted" Now SURELY even you will admit that's a gross exaggeration, but it basically says the FAQ's are worthless. And this is coming from a moderator!?

I also believe there is a clear difference between internicine squabbling (My Glock is better. No, my 1911 is better, you're gay!) and someone who is intentionally tweaking this site's collective ass and getting away with it. Reaper, you've already said you enjoy the arguments and that they keep you amused.

I think that is the exact opposite of what moderation ought to be, myself. But the fact is, there does not seem to be a difference between 'Mod badges' in terms of power, so if you don't like SamD's moderation, too bad. You have to live with him like I have to live with you. I'll do that willingly because I get more out of this site than the the detriments. But I think the site is poorly managed, and it is this kind of thing that shows up its flaws.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:42 PM

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See what you've done?

Now you've got poor, poor 5in1 claiming discrimination because he's being picked upon. Now gunslot is the big bad meanie and poor 5in1 is sorely aggrieved. Boo Hoo.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:46 PM

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I did it?

sorry, guess he'll have to call the ACLU then

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 5:00 PM

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sooo lets play nice

and talk about guns and womens breast..huh..??

I have reasons for the things I do, just don't expect them to be reasonable
5 years 51 weeks ago, 7:46 PM

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Are you related to sytasyn?
Hell no, this is sytasyn-syn.
Both from detroit, obnoxious and sytasyn-syn is listed as a friend, even though sytasyn hasn't been here since 5in1 joined up.
Great try Scott/cameron.

5 years 51 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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Anyone who posts offensive or disrespectful comments should have their account deleted completely. It really is easy to keep a straight face when typing, isn't it. I'm pretty sure if the mods and owners went by the letter of the forum rules, myself, ebear, greasy, and ugly would be gone. As for this being an unbiased site, it is not. This site is largely conservative, and personal opinions do not matter here. I feel smart after reading Schuyler's comment about why the first amendment doesn't apply here, as I've said it too. Aww, this is nice. Nobody has a right to express their opinion here, whether that be greasy's anti-gay rights views, 5in1's anti-Christian views, or ebear's anti-mexican views. Use of this site is a privilege. I disagree with samD or Reaper deleting someone's posts due to their views, but that is within the purview of their duties. I propose samD and Reaper308, as the serious adult supervision in here, discuss privately their own criteria for allowing or deleting content. The forum rules are violated on a regular basis by many of us degenerates, but those rules are pretty standard, even generic, forum rules and any conversation between adults, especially in a primarily male community, will inevitably turn vulgar, offensive, and/or disrespectful if only in the form of good natured ribbing. I really can ramble, huh? Sorry. FUCK OFF, EBEAR!!!

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 9:07 PM

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I agree FUCK OFF EBEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 9:10 PM

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No no, ugly

I think your mantra is closer to "I MUST SUCK OFF EBEAR!!!"

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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yeah fuck off eb.....

oops, damn you pendejos!!!!!!!!

...check... G-AZ
5 years 51 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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sluething

isn't a word. I think you mean sleuthing. Ah, we know what you meant. Sluething, illucidate, whatever, right?

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 51 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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I like the debate here. I have been corrected many times but facts and idealistic disagreement must be argued in an American debate way. But any threats or "fuck you" arguements are contrary to the free flow of ideas we all hold sacred.
I will always side with SamD because I basically have the same values politically but respect the opposite ideas and wish to debate and have intellectual interaction.
Deleting someone for threats, illegal questions or just being anit gun should be an option. Deleting someone because they have a different ideaology is different.
(I Like the site, please do not delete me).

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 2:22 AM

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BITCH< BITCH< BITCH

Would you guys stick to the smaller words so I can follow. And my Glock is better than S&W. fuck you very much!

cherokee65

Don't ya just love to fuck with with someones head?

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 2:25 AM

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BITCH< BITCH< BITCH

Would you guys stick to the smaller words so I can follow. And my Glock is better than S&W. fuck you very much!

cherokee65

Don't ya just love to fuck with with someones head?

Who did you say that Liberal fuc---- was?

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 2:26 AM

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Whose head are you fucking with? Or maybe the correct sentence structure should read; With whose head are you fucking? That can't be right. Huh? Whew.

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 3:05 AM

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Head fuckin

Fuck the sentence structure, who's head was I fuckin with?
yours? That can't be right. Can it? Think of it this way.
I don't want to fuck a head. It's just like saying, "I'm kiddin you" Or, "just screwin with your mind". Nothing personal Son, just fuckin with yer head. Ever bin mind fucked? Ok, lets get back to guns, ammo and that other stuff. Carefull, or I'll have greasypaws give you a big----!!!

cherokee65

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 4:33 AM

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Firearms forum sites

I haven't seen any sites related to firearms that would be considered Liberal. Whatever that is ? That is not the fault of this site. If "Liberals" want a gun site; go make one! If they want to participate in a non-Liberal (whatever that is) gun site; then they should expect that non-Liberal viewpoints are in the majority.
I do believe that people that continue to post in volume (such as Tazor123)on non-gun related items should have their posts viewed with scrutiny.
Being civil to one another should be a standard trait for members. After all, you wouldn't want to provoke the other guy if both of you were armed. Unless you're Psycho!

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