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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:04 PM

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Real quick. Where is the bayonet lug on the AA 12? Think about it people.

4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:21 PM

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the last time an American Sergeant gave the order, "Fix Bayonets!", in the field was during the Tet Offensive in Viet Nam in 1968 over 41 sai ago! a bayonet today is nothing more than extra weight for our already over-burdened soldiers and Marines, in the field to carry. it make a pretty good finger nail cleaner and that's about all it's useful for today. if you are close enough to the enemy today to have to use a bayonet, they've already killed you most likely.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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sorry LD

I have to say BS to that,at least in my time,the bayonet was most useful and most of the guys had theirs taped upside down on the front of their 782 gear for easy and quick reach.We also did a fair amount of training with them in hand to hand,we also used bayonets for riot/crowd control.
And just because it was not publicized in some show doesn't mean that the order for fix bayonets has not been given,i have experienced it.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
4 years 38 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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ryo have look online and google and so far have not found any instance of the order to fix bayonets being given by any American commander in the field since Tet and Khe Sahn in Viet Nam. The Scottish Highlander's Division made a classic, platoon strength bayonet charge in the Falklands War in 1983, and the same division did it again in Kuwait in the First Gulf War. They were using the much more sturdy FN FAL rifle for their bayonets though. The Malaysian First Guard Corps also made a classic platoon strength bayonet charge in Kosovo during their stint at UN peace keeping duties there, and again in Indonesia against insurgents there. but no American platoon strength group has made a bayonet charge against an enemy in the field since Viet Nam that ryo can find any record of on the net.
hey we are friends and it ok for friends to disagree sometime too. ryo does not have hurt feeling at all neh. also am not disputing your personal experience either. am just stating what the records show.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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hope you enjoy all your visits here. and if you have any question don't hesitate to ask. but don't be surprise if you get 30 or 40 answer from a lot of different people. everyone will want to get to know you.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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LD

not necessarily. thats a misconception. I've heard of bayonets being used in Iraq within the past two years.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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reaper chan:

ryo was watching the Military History Channel just the other day and in fact they were talking about this very thing. it's true what said above. the order to fix bayonets for a platoon has not officially been given by any American non com or commander in the field since Tet in 1968. now bayonets may have been use for one reason or another in Iraq, but a platoon charging the enemy with bayonets ka that very very not likely in today's high tech warfare.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:44 PM

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ok

you're right about the full out bayonet charge, I was just talking about an instance where a 4-5 soldiers were held up in a house, waiting for reinforcements. They had ran out of ammo, and were forces to use bayonets in insurgents who were storming in the house.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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reaper chan: ah so!

such a situation would make sense in Iraq, although it very silly of the local quartermaster's office to not make sure the troops had enough bullets just to do their job neh. that must have been very desperate and dangerous situation for a handful of soldiers to be in neh and to have to use bayonets on the end of, most likely, M16s that are inherently not very sturdy to begin with is not a good situation to be in at all neh.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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Little Dragon,

Low tech as it may be bayonets can kill people who, being in close quarters, makes the mistake of thinking the opponent is defenseless. I'd gladly carry an extra 2# if it meant the difference between me stickin' the bad guy or him stickin' me. Rubbing 2 sticks together can still make fire :<)

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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I've never even seen an AA12 in person, so I couldn't say. From what I can find, I think it accepts the traditional M9 bayonet though

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
4 years 38 weeks ago, 1:10 PM

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would serve you much better if it were extra bullets. ryo love that line from the movie when sean connery say, "just like a wop. bringing a knife, to a gun fight!" ryo have not say the bayonet is completely useless and agreed with reaper chan in what he say happen in Iraq. but the days of a platoon charging the enemy with fixed bayonets are long gone. there are so many other, easier, more deadly ways to kill the bad guys than to charge them with a squad or a platoon of soldiers with fixed bayonets.

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PS no offense to any Italians out there. it was sean connery's line. not ryo.

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4 years 38 weeks ago, 1:19 PM

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As for the

bayonet lug, the Atchisson I saw on TV appeared to not have one.

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4 years 37 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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gave the order to conduct a bayonet charge in OIF 1. His patrol came under attack and four of his 22 soldiers were killed or wounded outright. They fixed bayonets and charged what was estimated to be nearly 100 Sddam fedayeen and the ambush line broke and ran. While I doubt the AA12 has a bayonet lug, the Iraqi people are more terrified of knives and pistols than they are of rifles, and a bayonet on the end of an M4 is a very effective psychological tool in that part of the worl. As for the AR/M16 series being flimsy, forget what you've seen in the movies where John Wayne breaks one in half by hitting it on a tree. While I prefer having the knife in my hand for better control and variety of strikes available, and carry either a Columbia River Hissatsu or Cold Steel Recon tanto as my fixed-blade knife of choice, an M16 or M4 with a bayonet is plenty sturdy enough to kill.

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