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By Brad Wilmouth
April 30, 2009 - 04:56 ET

On Wednesday’s Countdown show, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann viciously slammed Republican Congresswoman Virginia Foxx for claiming that murder victim Matthew Shepard – whom the current hate crimes bill is named after – was targeted out of a desire to commit robbery rather than because of anti-gay sentiment by his attacker, as has been the conventional wisdom. The MSNBC host was so outraged at the North Carolina congresswoman that he named her as the night’s "Worst Person in the World" and showed particular venom toward her, even suggesting she should resign. Olbermann: "She is at best callous, insensitive, criminally misinformed. At worst she is a bald-faced liar. And if there is a spark of a human being in there somewhere, she should either immediately retract and apologize for her stupid and hurtful words or she should resign her seat in the House."

On the 11:00 p.m. special edition of Hardball, Chris Matthews and guests Joan Walsh of Salon and MSNBC political analyst Michelle Bernard also lambasted Foxx for her claim, with Walsh calling her "ignorant," and Matthews calling Foxx’s words "rough stuff."

But, on the November 26, 2004, 20/20, ABC host Elizabeth Vargas ran a report in which a number of figures tied to the case, including the prosecutor, were interviewed, and made a credible case that Shepard was targeted by Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson not because of anti-gay sentiment, but because McKinney was high on methamphetamines, giving him unusual violent tendencies as well as a desire for cash to buy more drugs. Vargas not only found that a meth high can lead to the kind of extreme violence perpetrated against Shepard, but that McKinney had gone on to similarly attack another man, causing a skull fracture, very soon after his attack on Shepard. Additionally, McKinney’s girlfriend and another friend of McKinney’s even claimed that McKinney himself has bisexual tendencies, although McKinney himself denied it.

Vargas appeared on the November 16, 2004, The O’Reilly Factor on FNC and summarized her findings:

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I "hate" socialists/socialism. Does that make me guilty of a crime? Hate crimes legislation gives the government power to police our thoughts and places the burden of proof on the defendant. Furthermore, it gives members of any perceived "minority" more rights than ordinary citizens. The issue of guilt or innocence is beside the point. How is a person on trial for murder gonna prove that they were an "equal opportunity" thug, if they were indeed, guilty of murder, but not guilty of "hate"? That's SCARY STUFF, in my book. I don't support what Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney did by any stretch of the imagination. What they did was deplorable, to say the least. They DID receive sentences typical of murder convictions. Shouldn't that be enough?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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I get a harsher penalty if I knock a guy out for being gay than I would for knocking a guy out because I'm bored? That makes sense.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:09 PM

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I just got into an online debate with my 51 yr old liberal sister about this piece of legislation and I asked her... "How will passage of this bill prevent any future attacks on any would-be victims?" and all I got was silence.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:41 PM

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You didn't play fair...you asked a logical question to your liberal sister, now that is mean-spirited. No offense to your sister, but she is following the liberal mantra...help everyone, help them even if they don't need help...intervene, do right, help help help...haha. Too funny!

Remember back when the black guy in Texas got dragged behind a truck...those guy(s) got life in prison if I remember right, but yet the left wanted more, they wanted hate crimes legislation. What difference would it have made?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 7:40 AM

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Since the left wouldn't wanna apply the death penalty to the bastards who did those horrible things, they have to come up with another strategy in the application of justice. Not only are we gonna sentence them to life w/o parole, but we're gonna slap them on the wrist, as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I still don't see what this accomplishes. There is no way to make a logical defense against emotional allegations. The bill enables "federal assistance" in the prosecution of crimes, and if I read it correctly, carries with it an additional (up to 10 years) sentence. So, a two time felon, who may have changed his felonious ways, allegedly spray paints some racial epithet on his neighbors garage (a misdemeanor - tagging, I mean) could get put away for life under a "3 Strikes" ruling? What if he was wrongly accused?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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The hate crimes Bill is intended for white males. This was a attempt to enforce evil crimes that targeted minorities. The original bill was designed to prosecute two scumbags who draged a african american 2 miles tied up with chains to their pick up. It was a senseless evil crime which would have hopefully recieved the death penalty.
Now, the hate crimes laws are being selectively enforced. I believe in prosecuting evil hateful people but all parameters being even. Hate crimes are not being used when minorities are the offenders.

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Agreed, demo

I think hate crime legislation is the civil rights' movement's answer to the old Jim Crow laws.

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