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3 years 37 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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Accuracy VS Energy

Let's dig up an old one.
Folks, keep in mind, all opinions are just that, opinions.

Rifle? Give me accuracy.
Shotgun? Well.......you either can or you can't.
Pistol? It gets kinda gray here. (at least for me)
I guess I want accuracy.
Oh!, You only get one shot!!!
No barrage of .22LR.lol

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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Whats are target Vaq?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:41 PM

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Shak

That's the tough part. Anything!
Anything that can happen. 2 legs, 4 legs.
You gotta decide.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:36 PM

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Be careful of 6 legs

That would be EBEAR and his lover

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:44 PM

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Accuracy

I want accuracy and plenty of ammo,who or whatever I am shootin at I want to hit. Eventually one bullet will kill it,if the first one dont.

3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Accuracy/Energy

Good question, Vaquero. I'm pretty much in agreement with you.

Rifle - accuracy, every time.

Shotgun - I'm a lousy shot with a shotgun, so the only thing that matters to me is whether or not it will essentially instantly kill anybody who breaks into my house.

Handgun - I only use them for personal protection now, so what matters is stopping power and controllability.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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Rifle: Accuracy
Shotgun: Durability
Handgun: Reliability.

3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:07 PM

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Glock 20 SF, Vaq!

10MM Baby! Alot of stopping power, and plenty accurate!

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 9:04 PM

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I am in total agreement

3 years 37 weeks ago, 9:57 PM

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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A vs E

I've used exactly TWO combos of gun and cartridge that did not meet the accuracy requirements of the intended mission...the other gobs of guns and ammo I've fired did what they were s'posed to.

1-- 4" Taurus .44sp with Glaser Blue safety slugs....at 7 yds the pattern covered a paper plate. Not good enough for me, esp. since that gun (and that ammo) were adequately consistent apart from each other.

2. SW 642 with First Strike multi-projectile ammunition.....3 pills per cartridge, and at 7yds would all (barely) stay on an IPSC silhouette. Again, not good enough for me.

*A third might be every single product from American Ammunition (A-Merc). Their stuff has been consistently shoddy and even dangerous in every instance I've had the misfortune to use it.*

Note that all the above can be narrowed down to ammo issues. A properly manufactured and maintained firearm, when fed decent ammo, will almost always be more accurate than the operator. Since almost all guns seem to be this way, then use the most 'powerful' gun you can afford and operate.

If by 'accuracy' you mean practical accuracy (that is, the ability of a person to accurately shoot said firearm) then it's a question of selecting a gun that fits your stature, size, strength, and training like hell to shoot the selected gun.

In the spirit of the thread, give me accuracy over energy any day. Shot placement is the key, no matter what you're hunting. Plenty of well-documented kills of people and critters, with the shooter either foolishly choosing not-enough-gun and relying on luck, or using whatever was at hand.

To paraphrase, 'energy' is fine but accuracy is final. I personally think 'wounding capability' is a more useful term than energy....blanks have lots of 'energy', same as gasoline, the sun, etc.

3 years 37 weeks ago, 9:04 AM

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TXLUCKYGUY........?

Got a Question for ya.........I'll be 31 in October,and am considering joining the Ft. Worth PD. Do you think that at that age it will be difficult to make it though training against a bunch of guys in their early twenties?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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They have the best benefits

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:11 PM

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No CW.........

I just started looking into this...........I wanted to do it when I was younger, but was having too much fun being a stupid kid! Now that I have a family,and I see what the worlds turning into.......It just seems like the right thing for me! Hopefully some of my Stupid kid stuff won't intenterfere with getting the job!

"Two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red the white the blue.The other ones got a rattlesnake with a simple statement made, Don’t Tread On Me is what it says"
3 years 37 weeks ago, 11:12 AM

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It's always tougher when you're older....if you want to be competitive I'd spare no time effort or expense getting into superlative shape. Cardio, weights, flexibility, diet....get it all done and be tip-top before any kind of eval or physical.

I started in another state when I was 25....did it for a few years, moved back to TX, then started this job when I was 30. It was not fun, but I'm in better shape now than I was when I was 30.

I don't know their standards but they should be able to tell you exactly what's expected. FWPD is a good agency to go to as far as I'm concerned, but their selection is lengthy and plenty of fit, smart folks simply don't get selected. Consider also attending a local academy to get licensed then find an agency you want to work for.

3 years 37 weeks ago, 11:21 AM

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Thanks TXLUCKY......

Thanks for the tips........I was planning on trying FW first and if that did not work out trying a local academy. I've already started working out some more, but am sure I've got got a way to go before I'am ready! Just wasn't sure if it was crazy to try it at my age?

"Two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red the white the blue.The other ones got a rattlesnake with a simple statement made, Don’t Tread On Me is what it says"
3 years 37 weeks ago, 2:16 PM

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nah

When I worked in another state we had a 50-year old guy make it all the way through our 7-month night academy, and it was truly brutal/paramilitary (ie, 2 people went to the hospital the 1st night of PT). He wound up just doing prisoner transports and low-key stuff, but I'd rather go through a door with that old coot that a lot of the young metro hippy-cops I see these days.

3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:29 PM

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hope you speak spanish,better start learning that too,back when i applied there i was the wrong color.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Get some practice

running with a 20 lb weight belt
and climbing chain link fences

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:04 PM

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Working On Both, Guys!

The Workouts are kicking my ass! Maybe it will all pay off though!

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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The more accurate you are,the less energy you need to pull the trigger again......lol

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