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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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I am trying to modify my Saiga 7.62x39. The law is very strange. I can buy a $800 AK at a gun store but modifying my saiga has several legal issues. For one issue, a pistol grip changes the rifle from sporting to an assault weapon. This requires me to change 4 more parts in order to keep it legal. So from no pistol grip, to a pistol grip I had to spend another $100 to change the gas piston, trigger, forward grip and stock. The gun is the same. same function. just as deadly, just as locked in my safe as before. But if I had not needed the gunsmiths help, I would have had no idea.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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this same advice goes for anyone wanting to cut down barrels or cut off a stock into a pistol grip.DON'T!it can turn a legal gun into an illegal one real quick!case in point,Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge,Idaho!remember what happened to his family all because he cut down some shotguns!this is worst case but still it could happen to anyone!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:05 PM

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What happened in Waco?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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Ruby Ridge!

the same reason they went after the Weaver family!firearms modifications!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:47 PM

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don't you need 6 U.S parts to make it compliant? some easy ones... muzzel brake, U.S mag (when inserted counts), recoil buffer.

Check out Tapco. They offer quite a few U.S parts that are easy to install

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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how can you prove your parts are U.S parts? I was planning to change the furniture on it and the buttstock. will compliant parts be stamped do they have to be stamped?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:51 PM

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US Compliant

most will say "made in USA" somewhere on them. even tapco's trigger says it.... but they all won't, therefore it would be hard for someone to prove that you don't have 6 (or 4... what ever the law states) US made parts. The law is pretty hard to enforce, and I don't know anyone who has been hassled. It was basically put into place to make it harder for people to build their own rifle, and to stop the importation of military weapons.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:47 PM

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great ? jack010203!!!

i looked into this and have a few of the 922 compliance parts and the parts i have are not marked!i bought these parts privately so there are no receipts.i hear that some of the manufacturers stamp their parts but i havent seen it yet.all i gotta say is BE CAREFUL!as far as furniture goes,i wouldnt be too worried,just be concerned about the internal parts such as gas piston,springs,buffer,op rod and such.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:58 PM

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yea i have seen the tapco USA stamping on my butstock, maybe ill just buy all american for anything i replace just in case.

good to hear they are not hasseling ppl for it, but you never know what the future will bring espicaly now with guns.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:07 PM

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922(r) compliance

The Imported Parts Law(1990)
178.39 otherwise known as 922(r) 10 Foreign parts law on semiauto Rifles & Shotguns
http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of
testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the
provisions of Sec. 178.151; or
(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

925(d) (3)
Section 925(d)(3), Title 18, U.S.C., states that the Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States if it is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus military firearms.

In 1989, ATF identified a type of rifle known as a semiautomatic assault rifle and found that weapons of this type were not generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes under the sporting purpose test for importation in 18 U.S.C. 925(d). Accordingly, on July 6, 1989, ATF determined that rifles of this type were not importable into the United States. ATF's findings was based, in part, on the determination that these rifles have certain charcteristics that are common to modern military assault rifles and that distinguish them from traditional sporting rifles.These characteristics include the ability to accept a detachable magazine, folding/telescopic stocks, seperate pistol grips, ability to accept a bayonet, flash suppressors, bipods, grenade launchers, night sights. It was decided that any of these military features, other than a detachable magazine, would make a semiautomatic assault rifle not importable. The particular rifles barred from importation were as follows:

AKS Variants

AK 47 type
AK47S type
AK74 type
AKS type
AKM type
AKMS type
ARM type
84S type
84S1 type
84S3 type
86S type
867S
Galil type
Type 56 type
Type 56S type
Valment M76 type
Valment M78 type
M76 counter sniper rifle type

FAL Variants

FAL type
L1A1 type
SAR 48

Other

Aug type
FNC type
Uzi Carbine
Algimec AGM1 type
Austrailian Automatic Arms SAR type
Beretta AR70 type
Beretta BM59 type
CIS SR88 type
HK91 type
HK93 type
HK94 type
G3SA type
K1 type
K2 type
AR100 type
M14S type
MAS223 type
SIG 550SP type
SIG 551SP type
SKS with detachable magazine

Subsequent to the 1989 decision, certain semiautomatic assault rifles that failed the 1989 sporting purposes test for importation were modified to remove all of their military features other than the ability to accept a detachable magazine. They could still accept large capacity magazines originally designed for and produced for the military assault rifles from which they were derived. The modified weapons were permitted to be imported because they met the 1989 sporting purposes test for importation.

On November 14 1997, the President and the Secretary of the Treasury ordered a review of the importation of modified versions of semiautomatic assault rifles into the United States. Consequently, it was decided on April 6, 1998, that the following modified versions of semiautomatic assault rifles could no longer be imported under the sporting purposes test.

AK47 Variants

MAK90
314
56V
89
EXP56A
SLG74
NHM90
NHM90-2
NHM91
SA85M
SA93
A93
AKS762
SA2000
ARM
MISR
MISTR
SA85M
Mini PSL
ROMACK 1
ROMACK 2
ROMACK 4
Hunter Rifle
386S
PS/K
Galil Sporter
Haddar
Haddar ll
WUM 1
WUM 2
SLR 95
SLR 96
SLR 97
SLG 94
SLG 95
SLG 96

FN-FAL Variants

L1A1 Sporter
FAL Sporter
FZSA
SAR4800
XFAL
C3
C3A
LAR Sporter

HK Variants

BT96
Centurian 2000
SR9
PSG1
MSG90
G3SA
SAR8

Uzi Varients

Officers 9
320 Carabine
Uzi Sporter

SIG SG 550 Variants

SG550-1
SG550-2

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221454

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:15 PM

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Here is another great site for compliant AK parts

http://www.ak-47.us/AK47_Parts.php

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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I have a question though. I have been looking at m1a1. I want a socom II but will settle for socom 16 or a m1a1 regular if the price is right. What does 1 and 11 twist mean. I know it has to do with the rifling. But how does it affect it?

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:30 PM

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What weight bullet do you want to shoot? Rate of twist means a lot in your weight of bullet.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:47 PM

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For a 308 I like the 1 & 10 twist the best. 1 & 12 is a good twist to. What lenght of barrel does the rifle have?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:35 PM

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1 & 9 twist means

It means the bullet does one full twist in 9 inches of barrel. So, if you have a 24 inch barrel the bullet will make 2.6 full spins when the bullet leaves the barrel.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:49 PM

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it truely depends upon the bullet weight you are shooting.let some of us reloaders know what weight bullet you want to shoot and we could honestly answer that.though with my experience with the .308 it aint that picky with barrel twist as is the 5.56/.223.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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means 1-9 means one full turn(revolution)in 9 inches,1-14 means 1 turn in 14 inches,etc.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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My favorate part of that law

"1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof;"

So we have to follow the laws but the goverment does not. This is such a big problem in goverment. Its easy to pass laws when they dont effect you.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 1:57 AM

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Cost is outrageous

I spend money on a new trigger, stock, pistol grip, hanguargs and piston., This brings it down to 10 parts WTF

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 4:10 AM

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spin...no wonder our country can't get anything done, too much, too much, too much!

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