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2 years 35 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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I wonder if people are going to ignore the hype and see Murder for what it is and leave self defense alone...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 35 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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They kill then think and do not want to pay for it while the rest of us have to bear it all.......
AND I DO MEAN BEAR as you have to be like one for these people

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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People that do not like guns don't have the concept of self defense. If a gun is involved it will always be bad no matter what the deal was. Trying to get them to understand that guns don't kill people, that people kill people, will be a battle to the end. If we ever loose our guns the will go after knives next.LOL

2 years 35 weeks ago, 2:43 PM

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Knives....

Claiming they were not designed for utility but only for fighting and killing...

lol

boggling

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 35 weeks ago, 3:10 PM

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I like the Russia one that u pull the pin out and u can shooooooot the blade :>)

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 6:17 PM

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on the money ISD..

The sponser of the FL stand your ground law has done a great job, old boys a 40 year mortcian and i've seen interviews on both CNN and FOX.. He's the only one that actually has it right.. He's not joining in the obvious hype re mr "dumb ass".. simply pointing out that the new law had nothing to do with what occured. Fact is our for mentioned DA pursued when he was told not to..

Crime in the neighborhood.. ya think.. by blacks... ya think.. stand up guy trying to do something about it.. ya think..

Then it all falls apart.. he was told not to confront.. did. the police should have taken his weapon at that time, the fact that they didn't follow whats common practice on any shooting makes this look racial.. was it.. hard one there.. the crimes were black related in the past, "but" im guessing he would have pegged a white boy in a hoody as well..

looks like a questionable shooting to me..

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 4:09 PM

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sad...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 35 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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To be honest i hope the NRA does NOT get involved in this one.. Ask your self what your reaction would be.. Say your walking home from the local "we sell roach's" and some self appointed mr big does a "what are you doing here" number on you.. I would hope that most of us would maybe get a bit on the "attitude" side of friendly..

in edit; The Standford police chief has recently finnished his "temp" step down.. Talk about a miss!! I'm shaking my head here.. Let's do a revue of what he had/has.. The "semi" retired Black activists are swarmping to FL to be part of this thing.. FOX has said theres a sold 2K on the ground and more in route.. So out walks the Sheriff who says im going to "temp" step down.. Dumb shit move.. got some gas you can throw on this thing maybe..

The ball was droped big time.. crisis handling 101.. we had so many in the dept, from escapes, riots, hostage sit's.. that we had classes in this.. and trust me AZ is not all that advanced, at the levil were dealing with, and AFTER the media is camped out front, and Al Sharpton is trying to wake up Jesse Jackson.. you just might try to get in front of the issue, not throw gas on it..

In any shooting you pull the weapon.. nope.. they had the cell phone, no body bothered to call the family (this per FOX) for three days the family didn't know where he was.. what the "town" knew was the media was on this like "pick your epression".. media has tapes of shooter being told NOT to follow.. media is showing (reality or not, these are the pictures being run) clean cut young black man... shooter that looks like a poster boy for fetal bullying) It's not all perception, but it sure is what the media and activists are looking at..

So get in front of it.. mistakes were made.. it "looks" like it wasn't a good shoot, but you don't go there.. do go to the mistakes made.. there were some obvious ones.. take responsibility, let the public know that it won't be tolerated.. (honestly if reports are right the family SHOULD have been told they had a dead son) confiscate the weapon.. call in an independet revue..BEFORE the Gov has any reason to escalate to hate crime status.. this is so stupid.. media and anti gun types are using this as propaganda against gun rights, and we have some "slow" folks down in FL that are letting them.. ISD has it on the money this could hurt us all, becuase of a 4 star police chief who can't get out in front of it.. Quit..and or take responsibility.. make it happen..if those running the show are even half smart this thing wont have "legs" and right now thier doing everything wrong..

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 7:35 AM

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Living in a neghborhood with an idiot neighborhood watch man I know the inherent genetic desire to be a little nervous around those guys. This won't affect stand your ground though, since Zimmerman had no inherent legal right to be where he was because he was pursuing when he wasn't supposed to.

2 years 34 weeks ago, 5:12 PM

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Knee jerk reactions.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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Yeah Lee.. way quite tonight.. just got on for a quick "scan".. all apointments went thumbs up today..

Lucky.. i stand by every word in my post.. reread pls.. They've worn out the author of the FL stand your ground law..and he's done a great job of stating the facts.. this was not stand your ground.. Guy was told not to follow, he did.. is there a nother side.. well sure.. but i bet if i "chested" you in my neighborhood you'd have an attitude.. I'm sure all sorts of things will come out bout both of these two.. Media is gona rock the shit outa it, as Z is half white.. wrong as it can be.. but what he did brought this on.. you can't confront someone and not expect an attitdude back.. pls before everybody gets spun, re read the geezers post.. far as knee jerk, i stand by it now much as then.. the locals screwed this up.. and should have seen what the media would do.. pulling a piece is part of every investigation.. not calling the family for 3 days while he was in the morgue.. all of these are procedure errors, that to quote ISD..all it takes is one dumb ass to put the screws to all of us..

By the way luck, a sad commentary on fuel prices.. thought about you and other pro drivers today when a train passed..see the same one for 7 years now.. when fuel prices are bad it's double stacked with trailors.. everyone of them is leaving an empty tractor somewhere..

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 6:43 AM

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This Trayvon thing has gotten blown so far out or proportion any sense of reason is now parked in a whole other area code. I'm going to lay it down now, hoping that you all can see where I'm coming from:

This was not a hate crime, this was a collision of two people from a group I call SAWs (Stupid Ass Wannabes.) You have the SAW gangster and the SAW cop, two walking Darwin Awards, without the brains to step out of this thing before it ended in a disaster. If the SAW gangster had had the good sense to give a reasonable answer, the SAW cop would never have chased him, and if the SAW cop had had the sense to listen to the real cops and not chase him then the opportunity for the weapon to come into play would never have arrived in the first place. But, since neither had the good sense to do this, we get what we got. My major regret is that they're not both out of the gene pool.

You see, SAWs, like the actual tool these tools are named after, are dangerous. They desperately want to be what they want to be and don't care how they go about getting there, and will do what they want to do even if they're not supposed to do it or capable of doing it. I work with several SAWs, they're everywhere. So, moral of the story: Watch out for SAWs and keep your head on a swivel, because other people's stupidity is hazardous to your health.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:03 AM

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You are the closest to getting it right. Zimmerman called the police around 50 times since the first of the year to report suspicious persons according to reports. Even in a bad neighborhood this seems a little excesive to me. Trayvon wasn.t the innocent 14 year old in the picture of him that was released to the press, instead of the 6 ft 3 in tatooed guy that he was. And geez our illustrious president makes a statement of how if he had a son he would look like poor old Trayvon but not a peep about the Black Panthers offering a reward to anyone who offs Zimmerman.

2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:09 AM

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bad landing47 wrote:
You are the closest to getting it right. Zimmerman called the police around 50 times since the first of the year to report suspicious persons according to reports. Even in a bad neighborhood this seems a little excesive to me. Trayvon wasn.t the innocent 14 year old in the picture of him that was released to the press, instead of the 6 ft 3 in tatooed guy that he was. And geez our illustrious president makes a statement of how if he had a son he would look like poor old Trayvon but not a peep about the Black Panthers offering a reward to anyone who offs Zimmerman.

I don't care what he looked like, I don't care if he got suspended from school for smoking weed. I even don't care if he spent his time spitting on White Babies. It doesn't matter...

What matters is he did nothing more than go to the store and ZImmerman followed him, confronted him and killed him on his way home.

ZImmerman who by law is not allowed to be armed while performing NW duties.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:04 AM

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Got a simple bet...

for anyone wanting to take it up.

Zimmerman will be charged and found guilty of no less than Manslaughter.

Everything about what he did leading up to the shooting was wrong. Much of it could actually bring hefty fines if not more charges.

1. He is not a sworn Officer of the Law and he holds no Florida State G License which allows armed (limited to 9 mm or .38) security and patrol. He was a Civilian, just like you and I.

2. He followed and confronted a minor, the interaction he prosecuted with said minor led to the shooting and death of that minor. I don't know of any state where Following someone and instigating a confrontation where you end up pulling your firearm and killing them would even begin to see it as self defense. Unless that person was committing a felony offense, I'm sorry but walking to your fathers from the store is not cause for Zimmerman impedance of his, Trayvon's, conveyance where he had all legal right to be.

Anyone here with Children has probably had the talk with them about strangers approaching them and what to do. My children were told to screams, punch, kick, run away and draw attention. Trayvon was 17, at 17 my son was in the service, he would have put up with Zimmerman for about two minutes and then probably thrown a punch if ZImmerman made any move towards him.

I personally beat the snot out of a man when I was 16 who put his hands on me for cutting through an Apartment Complex. Up until the point that he grabbed me I had kept walking and let him run his mouth, I was a kid, so yeah, I ran mine right back at him, but I was leaving and when he noticed I was heading for the gate in the block wall he grabbed me. I picked up a forming stake and beat him all around the ears until he hit his knees and then I ran like hell.

Zimmerman was breaking the law carrying a firearm while presenting himself as Neighborhood Watch. He was actually breaking the law if he verbally assaulted Trayvon, he was breaking it again by committing Battery if he touched him, he committed Murder when he shot and killed him.

The lead investigating Officer wanted to arrest and charge him for the shooting but the Asst DA over ruled him claiming the Stand Your Ground Law applied. There is no way that law applies which will come out in court for all those who do not honestly know what it is or how it is applied.

I can tell you this much, your not going to stalk and then run down anyone, end up in a fight and then shoot them and be able to claim Self Defense unless that person is or has committed a serious Felony which you saw taking place or see taking place. If you do, get ready to either sit a very long time in prison or worse.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:20 AM

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Of course he's going to get arrested and convicted and he should be. He was as stupid as the other.

2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:24 AM

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I wasn't there so I can't say exactly what happened. Zimmerman wasn't a bonafide NW person, more like a vigilante,allthough wrong still doesn't negate his right to carry. Zimmermans lawyer claims that Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle after the police told him not to follow and that Trayvon assaulted him. May be BS, but I think it will boil down to who has the best lawyer.I do agree with your last statement you can't stalk someone, coerce them into confronting you and then claim self defense when you shoot.

2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:35 AM

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that is where it should be or been, this actually happened over a month ago. Zimmerman walked without a second thought because of the Asst DA screwing up the application of the SYG Law.

I'm shocked just how many people came out of the wood work to call it Racially Motivated. Hell, Zimmerman isn't anymore a Caucasian than the boy is. ALl I heard about and read was how a White Man shot and killed a Black Teen.... guh...

boggling

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:42 AM

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I'm a Firearms Instructor here in the State of Florida giving Concealed Weapons Classes and working on getting my K License so I can train and qualify State and Federal LEO....

Knowing the Laws and the Correct Application of them is not completely a requirment of those who wish to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Florida, but it should be of serious interest to them.

I don't have to be there, just as the lead Officers at the scene have to be there. Zimmermans action leading up to the shooting negates his ability to claim self defense. Why I think it will be Manslaughter and not Murder that he is finally charged with.

That charge is pretty much a gim'me... Where Murder is too questionable and if they try to high and fail they can not retry him for a charge that is met without question.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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Punched out zimmerman,hmmm thats straight self defense then.i just find it odd that on a gun gorum guys w
ere obviously ready to throw this guy inder the bus so fast,after getting the story from this propaganda machine that passes as news.to little facts,lots of emotion.and is there anything this asshat of a pres doesnt comment on? Wtf over.and greg i'm gonna send you a skirt,jist tell me what color.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 10:24 PM

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got your skirt hang'n

stand by what i said.. spent a lot of time around "wana be's".. damn well not one.. re read my comments.. actually take the time to re read them.. then if you still think i need a skirt, then i need new friends.. stand by every word i've said.. period.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 7:45 PM

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Zimmerman did everything wrong from the get go which ended up in his shooting and killing an unarmed teenager who was committing no crime what so ever.

No jump, leap or anything else there...

It would be one thing if this kid accosted him, followed him and attacked him, but he didn't.

Zimmerman instigated the situation that escalated to the point that he felt he needed to shoot this kid. That is the definition of Manslaughter in the State of Florida almost. Where it falls short of the definition is that the kid was committing no crime.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 7:53 PM

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I totally support the right to use deadly force in the commission of self defense. Hell I teach classes on it's use in just that situation.

I personally feel that George Zimmerman has done more damage to the rights of law abiding citizens not only in Florida but around the Country with this one act of his than any of the Crazies that have gone into a work place, mall or other public place and started killing random people.

He was not crazy, he was totally legal and yet he totally screwed the pooch and it is going to be the drum that is beaten over and over again by the gun grabbing left wingers. It is a total cluster fuck here in Florida as it is now going to force some changes to the Stand Your Ground Law because some pin head attempts to use it to cover his ass.

I do know that this will be used as an example of what not to do for years to come. It will become a case study, we should all hope it does not become the Banner in which they attempt to not only hold up new laws, but to dissect existing laws.

though I wouldn't hold my breath

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:28 PM

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Until the police and court has their say,anything anybody else ssys from the president on down isnt beans.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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A pilot that owns a home in a gated community in boca raton.he told me he has an ak47 at each end of his swimming pool,along with several guns in the house.He said nobody just casually walks around without being confronted about what their business is for being there..i definately do not know the facts but asking that kid what business he had there seems reasonabe to me.sorry for spelling im using a phone keyboard.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 9:08 PM

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Here is what I have to say, what about that (person of color) that shot those two white British tourists not long ago in FL, got trashed and wondered into the wrong part of town, where is Sharpton and that fucking asshole Jackson JR........Nowhere to be found, always part of the problem, never part of the solution..........motherfuckers!

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 9:26 PM

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Personally I would have let the FUZZ handle it, even though I am armed to the teeth, I am not my brothers keeper, I will only draw down in times of extreme emergency, when my life or those around me are in jeopardy.....I keep my eye out a far as neighborhood WATCH goes, but unless someone is in clear and apparent danger, I won't draw down.

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 2:30 AM

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Had the radio on.16 yr.old black guy charged with shooting from a bridge down into a group of kids that were gathered.he wounded 5 of them,2 critical.that didn't even make the national news did it.wheres the outrage spike fuckin rascist lee?

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2 years 34 weeks ago, 3:23 AM

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He is probly with the parents of the shooter, trying to figure out how to make it the victoms fault they got shot at.

2 years 34 weeks ago, 6:46 AM

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I got no use at all for Spike Lee. I still can't figure out why he's not at least facing reckless endangerment charges. If the address he'd falsley retweeted for a retaliation killing had been in Polk County I know Sheriff Grady Judd would already have him "Doing the Right Thing" in the Polk County Hilton.

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