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Pepper Spray, You do not need a license to carry it!

Carry it with your Firearm and when you cant posess your firearm.

OC Pepper spray is simple, easy to use, and convenient to carry and is one of the most affordable self defense products available today. It is also legal in most states in one form or another.
The actual term OC (oleoresin capsicum) refers to chili peppers, and is a horticultural term. Jalapenos, chiletpin, cayenne, and habaneros are all chili peppers. Although they look quite different, and can taste quite different, they all contain an alkaloid called capsaicin. Capsaicin is tasteless and odorless. It is so powerful that even when it is immersed in water, the heat from it can be detected. Studies show that humans can detect even one part per ten million of this powerful alkaloid.
Pepper spray is made up of an active ingredient called OC (Oleoresin Capsicum) and other inert ingredients. Oleoresin Capsicum is a derivative of hot cayenne peppers. OC is an inflammatory agent and unlike tear gas it is effective on those under the influence of drugs and alcohol. When the OC contacts the mucous membranes (eyes, nose, throat, and lungs), symptoms will appear instantly. The capillaries of the eyes will immediately dilate, causing temporary blindness. Inflammation of the breathing tube tissues will cause difficulty in breathing; however the victim will still be able to breathe. Pepper spray will not cause lasting aftereffects, however the short-term effects are quite effective.

The effects of the pepper spray last between 20 and 90 minutes, giving the user plenty of time to escape their terrifying situation. Pepper spray units can be fired multiple times and can have a range of 8 to 20 feet, depending on the particular model you purchase.

In 1912, Wilbur Scoville, a pharmacologist, developed the standard for measuring the power of capsaicin. The Scoville Organoleptic Test was used to determine the temperature of peppers. Scoville conducted his research by measuring the ground pepper into a mixture of sugar, water, and alcohol. He then took the mixture to a panel of tasters who then gave the mixture a grade between zero and 5,000,000 with a majority needed to assign a proper value. This is now referred to as an SHU or Scoville Heat Unit.
Today the method of measuring the power of capsaicin is very sophisticated. High Pressure Liquid Chromatography or HPLC is a computerized method that is now used to determine the Total Capsaicinoid % and SHU. It is a significantly more accurate method of testing the heat of OC.

The National Institute of Justice Technology Assessment Program, March 1994 said
"percentages may be misleading, because it is the strength of the OC in the spray that determines its effectiveness, not its percent of volume. Moreover, strength is usually measured in Scoville Heat Units: the higher the SHU's, the greater the inflammatory capacity of the OC. Also, OC is an oil; to work, it must atomize into a fine spray. Because oily solutions do not break up as easily into a mist, solutions greater than 5 percent OC may not atomize as well."

Michigan law says you can legally have a maximum of 2% OC pepper spray. The main brand Sabre Red we sell is not only Michigan compliant, but it is also THE MOST EFFECTIVE spray for civilian use on the market today.

Parents send their children off to college believing that campus security and dorm safety rules will protect them, but they’re vastly overrating the protection most schools provide. According to the American Association of University Women (AAUW), between 20 and 25% of women on campus are sexually assaulted sometime during their educational career; another 13% are stalked.

Pepper sprays are easily carried in a pocket, purse or backpack: if you’re out alone or walking in any spot that you feel may feel unsafe, make it a habit to hold the spray in your hand. If you need it, you shouldn’t be fumbling around for it!
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3 years 33 weeks ago, 7:57 PM

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as most assailants are looking for an easy target and being sprayed with anything at all will be enough to get them to stop the attack. If you are dealing with a determined attacker, or one who has been exposed to OC pepper spray a few times, it may not be enough.

The other thing to remember is that OC pepper spray does not take effect immediately. Both times I've been hit with it, it took about 30 seconds to really start kicking my ass. This is fine if you recognize the threat early and are able to take action, but if you're looking for a fight stopper once physical contact has been made, forget OC.

There are good and bad things about OC, but it is ultimately, in my mind, a pain compliance tool and if I'm on patrol, that's one of my goals when dealing with a combative subject. If I'm off duty, however, getting an assailant to stop an attack is my number one goal, and since I'm usually with my family, a gun is a better idea because I don't have to worry about cross contamination incapacitating me or my family.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 30 weeks ago, 4:13 AM

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This is when the animal takes over pretty much wouldn't you think? If they are fight to suck air through a crushed Larynx, see through torn eyes or that Kershaw Blur snaps open on it's instant journey to it's new home, things just jump sideway's and you think about it later, maybe..

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 33 weeks ago, 12:40 PM

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Hastheruns all you have to do is pull your pants down, the laughter will disable most from attacking you.

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3 years 33 weeks ago, 7:30 AM

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Excellent post by PDS and a prudent dose of reality from Runawaygun. OC can be an excellent tool but one should know how it will affect the USER as well as the attacker.

I recommend to my students/customers that they subject themsevles to the agent first before carrying it. I suggest they go outside with a Dixie cup filled with tissue. Standing upwind, spray some agent into the cup and then they may pass it by their face to smell and then feel the effects of the OC. A bad time to find out how this stuff works is WHILE you are being attacked!

Keep the good advice coming gang, we need to join forces to keep our families safe.

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3 years 33 weeks ago, 12:52 AM

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I'd love to see a level one certification including fight through drills available to civilians. I wonder what kind of waiver I'd have to get signed to do one of those. I need to go to INIWIC first.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 33 weeks ago, 1:31 AM

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pepper spray

my little sis is only 4 ft 11 inches and anti gun but I have her talked into buying a pepper spray.I dont know much about it other than it aint fun to play with while drunk at a party.what should I look for when I buy her some?style?

3 years 33 weeks ago, 1:39 AM

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Bed time for Bonzo

Let's see if it works tonight??????? See ya all tomorrow.

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3 years 32 weeks ago, 7:10 PM

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The waiver I had folks sign when I was teaching civilian OC classes was pretty standard....just about everyone either dropped out when they found out a full exposure was required, or were actually curious/eager to do it.

We had a lot of folks who wanted to do a "fight-through" but very few actually did anything aggressive once they were sprayed. We normally told them to stand 10 feet away, and if they could grab our baseball cap off our head we'd buy them a steak dinner after the class. No dinners were bought, but much fun was had and several students (LE and civ) did give it the "college try".

The first agency I worked for required recruits to run a lap, do pushups, and then fight off a "RedMan" to retain their sidearm (unloaded) before they got any fans, water, etc. Good way to find out who has the mettle they were looking for.

3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:59 AM

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My OC Cert wasn't within five years when I got here, so I had to go through level one again. Our drill was five stations, with station one being two people with kicking pads smacking the shit out of you, then move on to a kick pad that you had to deliver knee strikes for 30 sec to a minute, then a station where you had to deliver elbow strikes, then another station for palm strikes, then you had to move to the last station, execute a hip throw and give commands to put the guy into a handcuffing position. Not too bad, but the heat and humidity of Cuba didn't help much.

One guy yelled "The devil is in my eyes" during the drill. He did it inentionally, trying to be funny, but he didn't intend to be crying the whole time.

From what I hear, INIWIC, which is the less-lethal instructor course MPs go through, includes a fight through drill where cadre are punching you with boxing gloves and actually taking you down and fucking you up. I'm really looking forward to going to that one. My next duty station is Ft Leonard Wood, MO, which is the training post for MPs, so maybe I'll be able to get the course without much hassle.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 10:15 AM

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well well well

look what the rabid skunk dragged in. I want some video of the INIWIC course and make sure you get ebear a shout out. He might get too excited visualizing baby batter in your eyes and ruin his keyboard, but that could be a good thing for us

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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I think his next video is going to be porn................beastiality

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 11:09 AM

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Ah, beastiality

I don't consider your dog to be a beast, but yes, I'm going to post a video of me raping it.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 4:22 AM

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To'to run home!

LOL

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 30 weeks ago, 4:21 AM

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I'm not sure if it is because of the food eaten or what. But I have seen people who have been sprayed more than a few times who have fought there way past the cans and then beat the crap out of the guys spraying them. This is one of the tools used by civilian security here in Florida. Even the Police do not care to use the stuff down here for the most part.

As I mentioned, I m not sure if it is what those whom it does not effect eat or what, but it is not unusual for it to be used only as a distraction and not as a end for total compliance.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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