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Out of all ammunition brands what is the best brand for personal protection? What brand has the most positive feedback on the market? Also what brand do you trust?

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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in my .45

I use Hornady TAP FPD, in the 230 grain.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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Due to the fact I dont know what would be best. I am just askin to get a general idea on what to load in my .45 when I get my CCL. I want ammo that I can count on if I was to need it. God willing I wont have to though.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 10:33 PM

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TAP rounds

They are great rounds. Pre-fragmented, powder is a low flash powder to decrease it's affect on your night vision. Devistating upon entry, but doesn't penetrate over 11 inches, so won't take out the person behind your target.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 10:52 PM

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yeah I understand that. So here is another question or 2. Why use hollow points in Personal Protection? What do 230-gr hollow points have over 230-gr FMJ? I am speakin of course on the winchester ammo I have. Do FMJ over penetrate? Also what advantages do hollow points have over standard round nose ammo?

I admit that in the case of using a firearm in a personal defense scenario I have never pointed a gun at anyone. I have beat the holy shit out of someone with my fist for pulling a knife on me but thats about it.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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230 Gold Dots

The speers Were the most accurate out of my 45 acp pistol. I am sure that there are several good choices in this caliber so I would Pick the one that is the most reliable and accurate in your pistol.. whether it be gold. Dots, tap, Corbon, Hydra shocks, ranger's, or golden saber. To name. A few. I use corbon and hydrashocks in my hi power and power ball in my supers.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:14 PM

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hollow points

They are far more effective and safer for everyone involved. Over penetration, ricochets, and not dumping energy into the target are some of the problems with fmj. Also chuck hawks has Some stats on ball in 45. If You believe in the one stop shot thing, ball is 66%. Most hollow
points are around 90 or more.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:19 PM

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Ok I get I think

Hollow points dump most if not all the energy on impact with an object whether it being human and or steel Targets ect correct? And the hollow points "Mushrooming" effect helps in keeping it from over penetrating correct? Then if thats the case then when I carry my 1911 it will be loaded with hollow points.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:30 PM

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Hollow points

Ball ammo has better barrier penetration properties, but hollow points not only mushroom, but often blow apart from hydrostatic shock leaving HUGE wound paths. One point of caution, a lot of feed ramps don't like the round flat nose of hollow points, that is another reason that I like the TAP rounds. You can get them in the conical points.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:30 PM

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yep

There is a very good book by massad ayoob called concealed carry. It gives a run down of calibers and proven bullet selection. Of course it is the common calibers but the energy required and bullet design logically at least should be similiar to not so common calibers. Also hollowpoint should always be carried for protection unless your pistol will not feed them. But corbon power balls have solved that problem. They are a hollow point that acts like ball.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:41 PM

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Interesting

I havent put a hollow poin through my 1911 yet. I have only fired solid round nose..."Ball" ammo I will put a hollow poin in the clip and see if it will feed though.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:44 PM

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snake...

Run atleast a whole box through... just cause first cycles, doesn't mean follow on will.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:47 PM

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Will do Ronin

Im still breaking it in though. Ive only fire 100 rounds through it since I had bought it. .45 ACP's aint cheap lol. But I will put at least 200 Hollows through her before I start to carry.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:50 PM

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Then my suggestion

Would be to get as many different brands as your wallet will let you, and keep track of what your gun likes and dis-likes.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 4:43 AM

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Yep

Always a good idea. Most guns do have their preferences.

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Try a few different brands and see which is the best for function and accuracy.

TAP is very good, GoldDOT, HST, Golden Saber, PDX1, Ranger and on and on....

Ball / FMJ has a nasty habit of going through and through...

One shot kills in a gun fight are not all that common...

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:01 AM

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yes I agree ISD

Not trying to be all Mr. Tough Snake here but in a fire fight I would think a head shot would end the fight. Someone shoots at me I will shoot back but I am gonna try to end it with a shot to the head. Would a head shot be wise to aim for?

However here is where I consider options here. If some one is shooting at me then center mass is where I shoot at right? You have to understand I have no firearms training. What I learned from shooting is all self taught.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:56 PM

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good idea

Run ball through the pistol first to get out the kinks. Then find a hollowpoint that feeds in your pistol..if you have problems there I would just use power ball. You get the performance of hollowpoints with the feeding properties of ball. Good luck.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:56 PM

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Yep

I am gonna order me a box of federal,Hornady,another box of winchester Jacketed hollow points and winchester FMJ Ball .45 ACP.

But until $$ allows I have to spend what little foldin cash I got for college.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 11:59 PM

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UMC is one seriously hot ass round and burns pretty clean...

Federal Ball is cleaner than Winchester White Box and cheaper.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:02 AM

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ammo prices

Yeah. Ammo prices are really causing me problem. Good luck with school

3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:04 AM

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nasty wound with that one....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:05 AM

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is a dirty round. After shooting my .45 I strip her and find layer of powder residue. I will fire a few different brands and see what works best for my .45

Well guys gonna hit the hay. Little after 2 a.m. here in South West VA. Ya all have a good one.

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Snake...

As for your idea of a head shot in personal defense, while I agree with the theory, I would avoid even considering it. My reason for this is simple, when your life is on the line, your adrenaline is going to be spiked. The chances of a succesful headshot on a moving target, in what will prob be a poorly lite area, while your whole body is shaking from an adrenaline dump is not good at all. Go for center mass, a .45 to the sternum has plenty of potential for fatality, and a higher chance of 1 shot stop.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:08 AM

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drt

Yeah what is the deal with that ammo. It sounds kool but I have never seen it in person

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DEAD RIGHT THERE! LOL!!!

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:18 AM

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that says it all

It looks pretty awesome. I just have never seen it used on anything.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:33 AM

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DRT

http://www.drtammo.com/technology.html

It is a really nasty, mean, cruel, hateful round... I like it!

DRT 223 at 100 yards into Lye soap block...
diameter of the permanent wound cavity

DRT 223 at 100 yards into Lye Soap Block image two
length of the permanent wound cavity

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From site

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Our jackets have a concentricity of less than two tenths of one thousands.

Impressive. Most impressive.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:21 AM

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good night

See you all tomorrow

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wow

You really do like it..ha as soon as they make it for the super I will get some. See ya tomorrow

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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has anyone loaded this to the 2.26 inches required to cycle in an ar15,or would this cause an unsafe pressure due to smaler case volume?

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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drt recipe

didnt see a recipe on their website,and my reloading manuals dont show a drt recipe.just thought somone here might know.ill just send drt an e mail.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 7:44 AM

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Snake, I agree with Ronin on the head shot vs. center mass. 95-99% of the time, one or two solid, center mass shots will definitely stop and possibly kill a would be attacker particularly with a .45. Another consideration, if the center mass target is available, (target not hidden behind cover), take the center mass shot, much better chance of hitting your target. I do believe that you should practice head shots, and get good at them as you may only have a head shot for a target (because the attacker is hidden behind cover or, God forbid, a loved one).

If you want an idea of how hard it is to hit a persons head when moving, have a friend, preferably a fellow shooter, toss a cantalope or musk mellon down range. It needs to be in the air at about head level at 10 yards. Not a terribly difficult toss to manage, but hitting the target is not as easy as you might think. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it really isn't that easy. Also remember what Ronin said about the adrenaline dump.

Finally, remember that if you shoot someone in the head, and could have taken a center mass shot, you may be liable to criminal prosecution. The DA may say that you INTENDED to kill instead of STOP the threat. Remember that your intention is to STOP THE THREAT!!!! If you get asked why there are 8 holes, you still felt threatened. On a personal note, if he is still moving, he is still a threat. That doesn't mean you can wound him and then walk up while he is on the ground and put one in his head to finish him off. Your CCL class should go into that probably in more detail. Police officers are generally taught to fire two rounds and quickly assess the situation. If the target is down they are taught not to fire more rounds if they can safely disarm him. In reality, you might expect it to take two solid hits to "disarm" them.

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1. "brand" is misleading....for instance Winchester is a manufacturer....Ranger is one of their brands....numerous products with vastly different performance within that brand--some are great and some simply do not perform as advertised in testing or actual shootings. Every single manufacturer has turned out over-hyped, underperforming rounds, and many manufacturers have industry-leading products (assuming their performance meets your mission criteria).

2. MINDSET, Tactics, equipment....only after suitable mindset has been achieved, and relevant repeated rigorous professional training has been acquired, should a person worry about the minutiae of equipment. In 5 years my agency will probably be carrying a different gun....in 5 days any one of my guns could break or be seized if used in a shooting....the mindset and tactics stay with you regardless of trends in guns/ammo. I'd rather go through a door with folks who train hard/often and walk the walk than who has the bestest/mostest equipment. Ideally you have all three, but the 1st 2 are wayyy more important than brand/product.

3. Many round under the Hornady TAP product penetrate well past 11 inches, esp. in .45acp. Several .45acp TAP loads (which use the 20+yr old XTP bullet) penetrate 20+ inches in FBI tests, well past recommended depth (12-16"). No TAP or XTP bullet is 'prefragmented'....they are either XTP (a very standard jacketed hollowpoint) or FTX-type (JHP with a synthetic plug inside the hollowpoint to manage expansion). Any XTP or FTX bullet that 'blows apart' has failed since they are designed to retain mass, shape and weight. An example of a 'prefragmented' bullet would be the QuikShok (first Triton, then A-Merc, now who knows), Glaser Safety Slug, MagSafe, et al. No prefragmented bullet sees significant end-use by the police or military.

4. I wonder what ballistic medium was used to test the DRT load pictured...it definitely isn't FBI/IWBA ballistic gelatin. FWIW the DRT pistol rounds do not perform as dramatically as their rifle rounds in standardized testing. The technology can used to create very efficient bullets for centerfire rifles, but the LeMas/DRT pistol rounds are underwhelming, esp. given their very high prices.

5. The Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, and Federal HST can be had in various weights/pressures in .45acp.....most popo use the 230gr weight/standard pressure in that caliber regardless of brand. Gold Dot is typically good stuff. The FBI HRT folks were using 230gr Remington Golden Saber in their .45s a few years back. Be aware that Federal just had a pretty big recall of several .45acp JHP products in their commercial and LE lines.

6. www.hornady.com and www.le.atk.com have oodles and gobs of standardized test results, videos, and other specs for their products.

3 years 4 weeks ago, 2:06 PM

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informative...

The DRT 223 was shot into a block of Lye Soap which is very dense to say the least. I am thinking of picking some of the 9 and 223 up when we go Hog hunting to see what it actually does to living tissue...

I'll post some pictures when we get back, should be going in the next month.

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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Screw it...

I'll just stick with frangable rounds. LOL! However, I have seen what happens when a .308 TAP hits a living target. And to be honest, it hit like a frangable round. Bullet entered clean, but destroyed vital organs without punching through.

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I'll still try out the DRT 9 mm. Ballistic Gel isn't an option because of costs, but I can wet phone books and stack them see what it does.

Might get the chance to try it on a Hog in a few weeks if Jules and Aryan get the time off to head north for the weekend.

Which of these is not a brand? "TAP is very good, GoldDOT, HST, Golden Saber, PDX1, Ranger and on and on...."

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I guess

I can't say anything that hasn't already been covered better here. But It's a quarter til 6 and I'm up and bored so I'm going to anyway. lol
I've never had a problem with a 1911 feeding JHP. I can't imagine any decent 1911 maker putting out a feed ramp that wouldn't handle them. I wouldn't worry too much with your para. Obviously, you still want to get some range time with them since you want to know how each type will behave.
FMJ is used in the military because of the Geneva convention requires it. It is a less lethal round and is meant to take people out of the fight and still have some chance of surviving. JHP is meant to do as much damage as possible to living tissue and neutralize a threat quickly. For me, FMJ is range ammo since it is cheaper. From time to time, I will pop off a couple of mags of my JHPs to keep fresh ammo and to ensure performance with what I load when I carry or have at home.
If you, God forbid, ever find yourself in the situation of having to fire on a threat, ALWAYS shoot for center-mass. There is a reason the police are trained to do this as well. The head is a smaller target. It is likely to move more. While it seems that would be the quick end, you have to think about collateral damage. In terms of life and property. The police can't have stray shots going all over the place. They are going to shoot center mass and end the threat.

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Collateral damage

Snake, SJMB brings up a VERY good point here that neither I nor do I think anyone else has mentioned. Something to remember here is that you are responsible for EVERY round that leaves the barrel of your weapon whether it is a shotgun, rifle, or handgun. So you don't want to be shooting at a target that you might miss, especially if there may be others that can be hit with a stray bullet.

I still believe that you should practice head shots and become good at them as it is possible that is the only shot you can take. However, keep in mind that center mass is the prefered shot and it is the one that should become second nature.

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When you use the phonebooks, is there a minimum lenth of time you need to soak them, and How do you bind them together (ie. loose or tight)? I have heard some crazy things about this, but have never used phone books myself. Thought I might give it a try.

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nothing Scientific about it really...

Just going to soak 6 or the four inch thick phone books with the cover and backs pealed off. Lay each one down and press out excess water and any air trapped in between. Then tie them with a cord top and bottom snuggly.

Shoot em and then take a look, also considering shooting a large sized Roast, though I think popping a downed Hog would be more comparative.

site you might find interesting below...

http://www.firearmsid.com/Galleries/A_galleries.asp

http://www.frfrogspad.com/index.htm

as with *anything* you read on the net consider the source..

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I tried the roast...

I can't afford anything big enough to stop my rounds, I turned a 16 pound brisket into hamburger. LOL! Thought phone books might be cheaper.

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Corbon DPX, Federal HST, Winchester Ranger SXT. All of these tend to flower out with "talons" opposed to the mushroom of traditional JHP's.

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DRT and Ranger STX

I saw the price on those DRT rounds.... HELL NO! Aslo, seems that I would have the same issue with them as I do with the Ranger STX..... Doesn't appear to be avalible in .45 ACP. How does the DRT differ from any other frangible bullet?

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Frangible Ammos

Most are compressed bonded fragments making up the bullet itself.

DRT is a is a powder which is turning something like 160,000 rpm inside the jacket, when it hits the cap covering the powder is forced to the back of the jacket blowing the powder out in a jet.

I am going to purchase some 223 and shoot it through the Sig 556 Patrol Hog hunting, I will also pick up a box to shoot the downed pigs...

Do some pic's and see what it really does to living tissue and organs...

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You first have to hit the bad guy. Snake, spend some money and buy boxes of a few different types of self defense rounds, focusing on JHP. Forget frangibles from a bullet as slow as the .45, and don't EVER listen to someone who tells you to mix ball and JHP, because they don't know their ass from a cheerio.

Shoot a box or fifty of different JHP rounds and see which functions better in your gun and is most accurate. Focus needs to go on function, then accuracy, then terminal ballistics. Most major ammo manufacturers produce self defense rounds that are effective provided you do your job. Forget any claims that one round is dramatically different from all others, because it's advertising. I like Cor-bon and Speer GDHP. Cor-bon was slightly more accurate, but I had a couple hiccups while loading the gun. No problems while actually firing, but I didn't want to take the chance of having a malfunction while reloading, so I went with the Speer GDHP. Stick with the major manufacturers like CCI/Speer, Hornady, Federal, Remington, and Winchester. One of the benefits of sticking with them is that you are more likely to find some of their training ammo that has a similar point of impact as their defense ammo, allowing for more effective training.

If you intend to ever carry your gun socially, take what you read on here as a basic guide, but get out, spend the money, do your own testing, and make your decision based on what you and your gun likes, not what we tell you.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 4 weeks ago, 7:46 AM

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Good point in the frangible issue... That makes sense as to why you don't see .45 in the calibers for frangible bullets, only really needed in the faster rounds like 9mm or .40. Thanks for kick-starting my brain. :)

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3 years 4 weeks ago, 6:45 PM

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frangibles

Frangible bullets are available in .45acp, .44sp., .45LC, etc that perform in a fashion similar to their 9/40/357 brethren, within product. Ie, .45acp Glaser Silver performs in a fashion similar to 9mm Glaser Silver. The .45 actually performs better with regards to wound volume and penetration, since the larger bullet contains more shot/projectiles--a heavier payload if you will.

The same holds true for some other frangible ammo marketed for defensive use, like the BeeHive, MagSafe, etc. FYI the .44sp Glaser Silver is a great round for varmint destruction within it's intended range; it does not perform well enough for me to carry it but in shooting smaller varmints (coyotes), sick animals (goats), etc., it does product an nasty, wide wound, immediate effect, and very low risk of ricochet or target perforation. I'd love to see the Glaser Silver applied to a large/heavy for caliber projectile....basically use denser/larger/heavier shot (tungsten, etc.) in a longer bullet.....I think it's possible to get a frangible like the Silver to penetrate to FBI depth (12"-16").

A lot of frangible ammo products marketed for range/safety use (the compressed powder composition mentioned by ISD is typical, with some products having a copper jacket) does not perform in this fashion on living targets. The 155gr .45acp DOE load I tested performed like an FMJ round until it hit something hard like a 2x4 or metal target.

With regards to bullet testing, a Fackler box (wood box packed with Ziploc bags full of water) is much more consistent and indicative of bullet performance than phonebooks, ductseal, clay, etc. Also cheaper! I don't have the chart in front of me, but recognized ballistics gurus have a ratio of water/gel to predict consistent bullet performance. Short version is that water is harder on bullets and cause them to expand more readily and penetrate less than in gel. Barriers like clothing, etc. can be laid over the front of the box just like the gel-o blocks.

Lastly, splitting hairs may be pointless....but from the Winchester manufacturer, a brand would be "Supreme Elite" (contains the product lines PDX1); another brand would be Ranger (contains their 9mm NATO product, SXT JHP products, 5.56mm LE, etc.).
From ATK (Speer), their Lawman brand contains various FMJ practice rounds...their GoldDot brand contains JHP and JSP products.

3 years 2 weeks ago, 2:04 AM

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.45 ammo

Snake, these guys have shot the shit out of their .45's. You have not. Now is not the time to worry about "the perfect ammo". That comes later. Some of the ammo they are referring to can get close to a buck a bullet. You got that kind of change? Review Randy Mc's advise. He is always solid! Remember the ad I told you about? 1,000 rds .45 ACP $269.95 - Factory ammo. 0.269 cents per rd. Get someone to teach you how to become a great shot over iron sights. When you can put that 230 gr. where you want it, when you want it, how you want it - then focus on type. Also, your ccl instructor should tell you to put max., two in the chest, first, and if the threat is still coming,change point of aim!! "It ain't workin". Please pardon my French,and this is crude, but true, you don't realize how much fight you can take out of a man when you blow his dick through his asshole! Had an MP friend do just that, one night in Germany. Put the perp. on his knees with the first shot, then walked up to him and pumped 7 more into him. Can't get away with that now and you would never want to,but you can get very good at puttin' that 230 where it needs to go, and the rest will come to you as you test for "the perfect ammo". Snake, everyone has their own preference. You must develop yours, after, you can put it where it belongs. If you had witnessed a full grown moose, drop, grave yard dead,after one,40gr..22LR to the brain, you would know that it's shot placement more than "the perfect bullet" that stops the aggressor! This is just my opinion, I may be wrong?

3 years 2 weeks ago, 6:34 AM

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head shot

Good, solid advice.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 4:29 AM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 49 weeks ago, 3:26 PM

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practice

Practice with some of the less-expensive JHP's, then buy Corbon DPX for self-defense. Although I wouldn't be terrified defending myself with .45 ACP ball ammo in my pistol, the fact that I have found DPX to consistently penetrate more than 12" in packed dirt and expand to .75" (and sometimes close to 1") is very comforting.

It's expensive at close to $1.50 per round, but how valuable is your life?

2 years 49 weeks ago, 4:10 PM

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Marlboro: You know, that gun costs about two dollars every time you fire it. That's two bucks a bullet.
Harley Davidson: Well how many'd I hit?
Marlboro: You spent twelve dollars and didn't hit a goddamn thing. I nailed one and it cost about four and a quarter.

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2 years 49 weeks ago, 2:21 PM

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Nice reference. I was thinking about that the other day. That very quote as a matter of fact. I was trying to remember what he was firing. I thought it was a .45, but not at $2/round. Do you remember?

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2 years 49 weeks ago, 2:26 PM

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Ruger Superblackhawk converted to .454 casull,my all time favorite revolver.

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2 years 49 weeks ago, 11:12 AM

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Ah. Yeah those would be expensive. I think I'll stick with my 1911 and a .45 colt for a wheel gun.

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2 years 48 weeks ago, 11:55 AM

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I Think

first u have to be able to hit where u want it to go,can pull the trigger at a living thing,be ready for what ever comes,and think while you'll doing it.

I like mag safe ammo ( not sure it u can still get it,Plus not cheap) as it is so post to HIT and make it like being HIT with a bigger cal.Plus use ur gun a lot so it is broke in and you can know whats going to happen when you pull that trigger.

THE BIGGEST THING IS MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT AIM FIRE OR KILL WHAT YOU DO NOT WHAT DEAD!!!! ty

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