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3 years 42 weeks ago, 8:20 AM

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We need to stop this. Will BO's choice heading the BATFE, the 2nd Amendment will be under assault.
Here is a great site that will create an email and send it to your Senator.

http://www.stoptraver.org/

You can use the form letter, or write your own. Please use this and ask your Senator to block his confirmation.

Thanks

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:37 PM

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WOW! That was fast...

I sent my letter out yesterday, and have already recieved a reply from the staff of Sen Hutchison.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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Sent one Also

Thanks Saint for the link. I don't know if one vote or letter will change things but I would rather vote and send letters than do nothing.

3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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Me to

Sent one about 5 minutes ago.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:16 PM

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started about a month ago on this asshat,God bless the NRA!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:49 PM

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just sent a nice one

plain and to the point.comon sense said 2nd amendment is a right not a privlidge and i wont vote for anyone who infringis on my rights or backs anyone who does.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:23 AM

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Awesome

thanks guys.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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Traver nomination

I just sent my email to my senators. Fortunately both of them are Republican and hopefully they will vote against Traver should his nomination come to a vote this time. If it does, ALL Republicans should vote against him and ensure that if he is confirmed it is indeed on a party vote. Perhaps there will be a few of the less liberal Democrats and Independents to side with the Republicans and defeat the nomination.

Does anyone here know if he could be appointed as "Interim Director" until a nominee can be confirmed? If he can this would not bode well for our cause either unless as Interim his authority is at a significantly reduced level.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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come time for the conformation process...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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I agree with you. Maybe when he comes before the committee during his questioning process, he will either perjure himself, thus disqualifying him or he will make some stupid remark that will appall even the Democrats.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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ya right.

the more appalling and ignorant or misleading the statement,the more the libs like the person.heres hopin though.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 12:01 AM

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But I thought he IS the "interm Director"..... Am I wrong on this? and if so who is currently?

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:50 AM

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I haven't heard that

yet. I know there was speculation that Obama could bypass confirmation and name him a recess appointment, but I don't think that happened. I think they might have finally learned their lesson about over-reach. But, as far as I know, he is currently the BATFE director in Chicago.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:08 PM

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Dear Mr. Sedler:

Thank you for writing to express your concern regarding the nomination of Andrew F. Traver to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). I appreciate knowing your views on this matter.

President Obama first nominated Mr. Traver to lead the ATF on November 15, 2010. The 111th Congress adjourned on December 22, 2010 without considering his nomination. His nomination was resubmitted on January 5, 2011 when the 112th Congress began. Currently, Mr. Traver is the Special Agent in charge of the Chicago Field Division, and he directs all of the ATF's law enforcement programs within the State of Illinois.

I understand you have concerns regarding the views of Mr. Traver and of the International Association of Chiefs of Police on firearms policy. His nomination is pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which I am a member. Please know that I will keep your thoughts in mind as the Senate considers his nomination.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Should you have further questions or comments, please feel free to contact my staff in Washington, D.C. at (202) 224-3841.

Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
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Further information about my position on issues of concern to California and the Nation are available at my website, Feinstein.senate.gov. You can also receive electronic e-mail updates by subscribing to my e-mail list. Click here to sign up. Feel free to checkout my YouTube Page.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:38 AM

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Oh yeah, Feinstein

She was one of the authors of the original "assault weapons" ban. She is a real piece of work, all right. I wouldn't count on her for anything but to attack the 2nd amendment. This beeotch actually sat there (in 96) with a full auto AK-47 with a 30 round mag to demonstrate what they were banning, when they were just trying to get any firearm more useful than a BB gun banned. She's a deceptive c*nt. She uses wording like "spray bullets" to scare the gun ignorant. How the hell does a semi-auto "spray bullets"?
She's another one of those idiots that think we shouldn't have any firearms except for hunting. You've heard the phrase. "Those guns aren't good for anything but killing people". Well, yeah, bitch. That's kind of the point. If someone breaks into my house, I intend to kill them. If the government keeps getting out of control, the people should be able to fight back, if it comes to it.
And that's where she is really showing her colors. In her legislation, she makes sure to provide exemptions to government agencies. Because she's another crappy politician that thinks the government should rule the people.
Jay, if you can do anything to help get this bitch voted out, you would be doing all the country a huge favor.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 11:28 AM

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i remember that.

i posted a question to gunslot last year asking everyone if they knew where i could get the pics of her pointing it at the crowd.nobody can find it or a video i guess.did get a few pics from pkato,and found some on my own,but not the one where shes pointing at the audiance.ya fuckstein is a bitch.she has or did have a ccw permit when she was doing all the gun leg actively and agressively.what a hypocrit.she said in an interview somthing to the effect of(if somone trys to attack me im gona take them out)wtf?really?its ok for important people like her to have weapons,but we should all rely on the cops i guess.no offense to any leos out there,but fuck that...never have i even heard of someone that needed their help and got it when they needed it.you cant call time out in a mugging and call the fucking cops.id like to tell you well get her voted out soon,but i live on the left coast where libs run the show.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 12:29 PM

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Huh

that's weird. I'm having trouble finding them now too. Sounds like they realized their BS was being tracked and removed it. I did find these:

http://www.alphadogweb.com/firearms/Diane_Feinstein.htm
http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/dianne_f.html

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:14 PM

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I have not heard Jack Shit from any of my government officials!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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all i got was this one from feintlers computer blowing me off.didnt get one from boxer yet,if i do i bet it will be the same generic letter basicly saying my opinion is important,but they are gona do what they want anyway

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:41 AM

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Yeah

Boxer is too busy burying her tongue is Feinstein's ass too reply to letters.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:30 PM

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Yeah

I expect a letter like this my self. In any case I sent another one to the senators.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 2:44 PM

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does virginia have liberal democrats for senators too?

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 3:01 PM

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Jay Sedler

I honestly have no clue. I dont like politics and so I dont keep up with who is in the senate.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:48 AM

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Not to be preachy

but you should get involved. Our rights have been under attack since the founding of this nation, and without constant vigilance on our part, the wolves will eat them all away.
We all hear about the price of freedom, and biggest one is the blood of our patriots. But it's not the only one. There are many costs to freedom, putting up with ignorant opinions, letting people make stupid decisions, watching an ahole burn our flag, and being vigilant on politics and making our representatives accountable. We have to pay these, or lose our liberty.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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fuckin right

Saint J.M. Browning wrote:
but you should get involved. Our rights have been under attack since the founding of this nation, and without constant vigilance on our part, the wolves will eat them all away.
We all hear about the price of freedom, and biggest one is the blood of our patriots. But it's not the only one. There are many costs to freedom, putting up with ignorant opinions, letting people make stupid decisions, watching an ahole burn our flag, and being vigilant on politics and making our representatives accountable. We have to pay these, or lose our liberty.

Politics 101: know your State Senators.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:42 PM

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Yep

Sen. Jane Nelson. She's alright. Our state rep., Myra Crownover labels herself a conservative, but that's to get the votes of the people in our district. She's anything but.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:22 PM

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Yes,

Snake, I just looked up your U. S. Senators. 1) Honorable (?) Jim Webb (Democrat) is due for reelection in 2012. His current term expires in January 2013 (class I). 2. Honorable (?) Mark R. Warner (Democrat) is up for reelection in 2014. His current term expires in January 2015. Just thought I'd give you a little incentive. LOL!!!!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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Honorable?

I do not see Honorable in there memo's. I see take advantage of law abiding gun owners and elect Tarver as Director of BATFE as there number one priority.

I know they wont listen to me. Senators will say something like "We respect your input and we will keep your views in consideration" but in all reality they will do what they see fit to do just to be re-elected.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:03 PM

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Honorable

is their title. Honorable Sir, Honorable Madame, etc. It doesn't matter if they really are Honorable. That is why I put the ? in there. Personally I have found few Democrats and not a lot of Republicans for that matter very Honorable in the last 20 years or so. You are right, they will do and say pretty much anything to get re-elected. I honestly believe that Ted Kennedy would have switched to the Republican party if that were the only way he could have gotten elected. I don't think he would have changed his politics, just his party.

They may not listen to you, but you are making your voice heard. Remember an OLD saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." If your elected representatives aren't representing you then vote for someone else when they come up for election and encourage others to do the same. Your vote does count. It counts just as much as mine, Runaway's, Ebear's, or anyone else's. It is your voice.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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gotcha

well i dont follow it as much as some people do either,but i do care and i do try to stay informed.i cant keep track of everything,but im gun motivated so i follow most news in regard to the 2nd amendment.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:23 PM

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Here is the first mail my senator sent. Since got a second, less formal mail... Unfortunately she can't do much at the moment.

Dear Friend:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the nomination of Andrew L. Traver to the position of Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. I appreciate your thoughts and comments.

The United States Senate has a Constitutional role in the advice and consent of presidential nominees such as cabinet officers and other senior appointees. I take this Constitutional responsibility to carefully consider each nomination very seriously.

One of the important freedoms that we have in the Constitution is the right to keep and bear arms, guaranteed to us by the Second Amendment. I am a strong supporter of gun rights.

On March 18, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court heard an appeal from the District of Columbia in the case District of Columbia v. Heller. I submitted an amicus brief to the Court affirming the Second Amendment as an individual and constitutionally protected right, and was joined by 55 Senators, 250 House members and Vice President Dick Cheney.

On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the intent of the Founders, that the right to bear arms is an individual right protected by the Constitution. The ruling in the D.C. case was a victory for the right of all Americans to protect themselves and their families. This historic decision will affect gun laws throughout the country that try to unjustly undermine our rights under the Second Amendment.

President Barack Obama nominated Andrew L. Traver on January 5, 2011. Mr. Traver’s nomination is currently pending in the Judiciary Committee, on which I do not serve. Should his nomination come for consideration before the full Senate, please be assured I will keep your thoughts in mind.

I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to contact me on any issue that is important to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:43 AM

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Still

it's good to make sure they hear us. Americans like us have been quiet for far too long, and while were being complacent, congress has stolen our country from us.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:39 PM

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i got a form letter

from one of our senators ...........Al Franken( add laugh track here)

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:51 AM

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haha

Yeah, he is a real joke. BTW, my wife's from MN (around the twin cities, bloomington). Your south of there, right?

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:15 PM

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yes

I'm S. a 1/2 hour from there by freeway.I'm out in the boonies a bit.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 9:08 PM

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Really I doubt I will hear anything from them. I sent 2 "Vote Against Tarver" emails. One the first time I saw this forum topic and once again just a few short hours ago. If I dont get an email tomorrow I will send a hand written letter to both senators. I say for them its hard to ignore a hand written letter.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:53 AM

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True

They probably blow off those electronic forms because they figure people aren't as serious with them. I'm sure the hand letter will get a response.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:24 PM

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I haven't

recieved an e-mail from either Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Cornyn. Seliger is my Rep for Congress but House doesn't vote on confirmations.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:31 PM

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writing a hand written letter to my senators.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:55 PM

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President Barack Obama
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Dear Mr. President:

We read your editorial submission to the Arizona Star. However, to focus a national dialogue on guns – and not criminals or mental health issues – misses the point entirely. Americans are not afraid of gun ownership. To the contrary, they overwhelmingly support the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms. The primary reason why tens of millions of Americans own firearms is that they fear violent criminals roaming the streets undeterred.

We agree with your assertion that "Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing" in light of the shooting in Tucson . In truth, the professional corps of gun control lobbyists moved with lightning speed to exploit the tragedy. These included the Violence Policy Center ("In the wake of these kind of incidents, the trick is to move quickly"), the Brady Campaign ("Gabrielle Giffords Shooting 'Inevitable'") and Mayors Against Illegal Guns-MAIG ("Bloomberg, Mayors Outline Steps to Help Prevent Another Tucson Shooting"). Your article contains talking points nearly identical to the ones circulated by MAIG for weeks in pursuit of its longstanding gun control agenda. In contrast, it was the National Rifle Association that avoided "playing politics with other people's pain" with our consistent response that only thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families were appropriate in the immediate aftermath.

We also agree with your statement that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. Your record as a public official, however, is anything but supportive of the rights of law-abiding gun owners. In fact, when Congress had an opportunity to voice its support for the basic right of lawful Americans to own firearms, you refused to join a bipartisan majority of more than 300 of your colleagues in signing the congressional amicus brief to the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. In addition, you previously stated (and have never retracted) your support for both Washington , D.C. 's and Chicago's handgun and self-defense bans that the Court rightfully struck down in Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. Further, you surrounded yourself with advisors who have advocated against the Second Amendment for years (Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel, to name just a few) and you nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the U.S. Supreme Court, one of whom has already attempted to eliminate the Second Amendment right entirely. More recently, you selected Andrew Traver to head the BATFE, despite his long-standing association with groups that support onerous new restrictions on our rights.

If you do in fact believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right, we suggest you demonstrate that in your policies and those of your Administration, which you have not done to date. Simply saying that you support the right to keep and bear arms is mere lip service if not put into action.

The government owes its citizens its most vigorous efforts to enforce penalties against those who violate our existing laws. The NRA has members proudly serving in law enforcement agencies at every level. Rank and file law enforcement want to arrest bad people – not harass law-abiding gun owners and retailers.

As for enforcing the laws on the books, we strongly suggest you enforce those that actually take violent criminals off the streets. To start, we urge you to contact every U.S. Attorney and ask them to bring at least ten cases per month against drug dealers, gang members and other violent felons caught illegally possessing firearms. By prosecuting these criminals in federal court – rather than state court – strong sentencing guidelines would apply and charges would not be plea-bargained or dismissed, nor would criminals be released after serving only a fraction of their sentences. This simple directive would result in roughly 12,000 violent criminals being taken off the streets every year. Surely you agree that this would be a good first step.

Unfortunately, your Administration is currently under a cloud for allegedly encouraging violations of federal law. We suggest that you bring an immediate stop to BATFE's "Fast and Furious" operation, in which an unknown number of illegal firearm transactions were detected – and then encouraged to fruition by your BATFE, which allegedly decided to let thousands of firearms "walk" across the border and into the hands of murderous drug cartels. One federal officer has recently been killed and no one can predict what mayhem will still ensue. Despite the protests of gun dealers who wished to terminate these transactions, your Administration reportedly encouraged violations of federal firearms laws – and undermined the firearm industry's concerted efforts to deter straw purchases through the "Don't Lie for the Other Guy" program. We hope you agree with our belief that this burgeoning scandal merits a full and independent investigation.

There are additional steps you can take to prevent tragic events such as the Tucson shooting from occurring in the future. One of these is to call on the national news media to refrain from giving deranged criminals minute-by-minute coverage of their heinous acts, which only serves to encourage copycat behavior. If media outlets won't show a fan running onto the field during a baseball game because they don't want to encourage that behavior by others – surely they can listen to law enforcement experts and refuse to air the photographs, video messages, or Facebook postings of madmen and murderers.

Another step is to encourage people to report red flags when they see them. In the case of Tucson , a man clearly bent on violence was not reported to the proper authorities by those who had good reason to believe he had serious mental problems. That's not a deficiency in our gun laws, it's a deficiency in our mental health system – and should be treated as such.

In closing, we agree that gun owners in America are highly responsible. This is in large part due to the NRA's 140 years of dedication to promoting safe and responsible gun ownership, an effort on which we take a back seat to no one. We welcome any serious discussion on policies that focus on prosecuting criminals and fixing deficiencies in the mental health system. Any proposals to the contrary are not a legitimate approach to the issue.

Sincerely,

Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President
National Rifle Association Chris W. Cox
Executive Director
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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:26 PM

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Thanks for posting that. Even though I think the NRA wastes a ton of money constantly sending me mail asking for donations, I hate to think where we would be right now without them. This letter is almost like porn for me (sorry for the image).

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Long time NRA member and upgraded to Life member, i get those letters too.The NRA is member supported and contributions are not tax deductable,they exist on their own.Lots of Tax deductable charities squander money sent to them by paying CEOs millions.The NRA doesn't.I like the fact that the liberals and antigunners would like nothing more than to knock down the leadership of the NRA by finding dirt on them .....but they can't...so fuck them and god bless the NRA.

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whats the cost of lifetime membership,and are there any stipulations for life membership?

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:29 PM

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Well guys

I sent an email to Senator Jim Webb (D) using his official website as I could not find his office mailing address.

I wrote a hand written letter to Senator Mark Warner (D) which I will be sending out first tide in the morning.

This is the first time for me to write anything to a U.S. Senator.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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Go to the Senate

website and look at the list of senators. Find Senators Webb and Warner in the list and at the bottom of each is a contact link. I just wrote one to Cornyn and about to write one to Kay Baily-Hutchinson.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 6:42 PM

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I liked that. Thanks for posting it. I hope he listens, though I doubt that he will. His brand of Democrat, like that of Boxer, Fienstien, Max Baucus, John Kerry, and others, for the most part like to pay lip service to protecting our constitutional rights while all the time working behind the scenes to move us to a more socialist country. Socialism has shown that it doesn't work! The collapse of the Soviet Union should say it all, but for some reason they fail to listen.

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Here is the email I just sent to Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchinson:

Honorable Ms. Hutchinson,

I am one of your many constitutients in our Great state of Texas. I have recently become aware that President Obama has nominated Andrew Traver as director of the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. I have also become aware that Mr. Traver does not agree with the Second Amendment to the Constitution. I believe that with his opinions he is not a good candidate for the post of Director of the Federal Bureau which is tasked with the direct oversight of the very industry he opposes.

I am sure that I do not need to remind you, that you, along with each Senator, Congressman, and the President himself, each took an oath to "Protect and Defend the Constitution..."
I believe that especially with this nomination, the President has already violated his oath and I urge you to stand to yours. I urge you to vote AGAINST Andrew Traver and to work with other senators including Senator Cornyn to do the same.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I hope to get a return email from her on this.

Snake, I urge you to get involved with politics. I'll not try to tell you how to vote, as I don't have to live in your state. I will say this, when you choose a candidate, whether it be for school board, city council, Mayor, Sheriff, State Representative, State Senator, U. S. Representative, U. S. Senator, or President, know where they stand on the issues, especially those that are important to you. Choose the candidate that truly comes closest to representating your needs and concerns. Don't think that "My vote doesn't count!" It does. It represents your concerns. You may not get your choice for the representative, or president, but the way I see it, if you don't vote, you don't have a right to bitch if your choice isn't elected.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:44 PM

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Thanks again guys

I know it may not seem like much, but it's about the only active thing we can do, and every lit bit helps.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:00 PM

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Mr. Browning,

Thank you for starting this thread. I would not have been aware of Mr. Traver's nomination, nor his views had it not been for here. I considered telling her (and Cornyn) that I would actively encourage others to vote for their opposition at the next election if they voted for him, but I'm sure they hear something like that enough. I chose to point to their oath that they took when they were sworn into office. Obama has violated his from the day he took it in my opinion, but what else can we expect from him. I believe that he is a fraud and has, in fact been illegally elected to his position.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:47 PM

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no problem. We're all in this together. And the more we can educate others out there, the better off we will all be. By the way, Cornyn is on the Judiciary committee, so make sure he hears you, but Hutchinson has ears in DC too. You and I are lucky, though. Cornyn and Hutchinson both are not perfect and to be perfectly honest, I think they go with the mood of the country, but they mostly have been good at being faithful to the Constitution and I think they realize the mood of most Texans and will fight against any attempt to infringe on our rights. Others have representatives that flat out sell them out.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 10:06 PM

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Selling out

You are right about that JMB. Yes we are lucky. I didn't realize that Senator Cornyn was on the committee, I guess I should have looked. I think Kay voted for one of the early acts on banning some of the guns or something, but not sure. It was that or something like it that nearly cost her her seat in the Senate and she has been pretty faithful since. Also I know that Cornyn has voted against most of the gun control that has come up since he has been a senator. He is in fact one of the more conservative senators on the Hill. I did mention to both of them in similar language about the oath that they took. Originally, the amendment process was intended to address things not specifically set out in the Constitution. Not designed to take away our rights. The Government learned that when they passed the amendment banning alcohol and distilled spirits. A few years later that amendment was overwhelmingly repealed. The first ten amendments are called the "Bill of Rights" for a reason. They are items not addressed in the original document that almost all of the representatives in Congress had concerns with. I honestly believe that any attempt to repeal any of them would fail to meet the required 2/3 majority of either the House or Senate and I seriously believe that if such attempt ever came to a vote of the public that it would be overwhelmingly defeated.

Once you repeal one of them, say Freedom of Speech or Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then it isn't long before they start working on the right to remain silent, a speedy trial, et. al. They may legislate the hell out of them, but in so doing they are infringing on the constitution, so they will have to have built-in expiration terms such as the "Assault Weapons Ban." That legislation finally expired and although there are efforts to re-instate it, the longer it is expired, the less likely it is to be passed again. Yes, you still have idiots running around with "super capacity" magazines and some of them shouldn't even be running around loose. They can't fix stupid but they are going to try like hell to do it.

One of my biggest complaints with the statistics that the gun lobby uses is that they skew the hell out of them. Statistics is so fluid that if you try, you can link the number of births of human babies in the U. S. to the number of drownings in The Phillipines. Statistics can also be skewed in the opposite direction. A good case in point is seatbelts. I'll admit that seatbelts do save a lot of lives, but they can be the result of just as many deaths. I have personally seen accidents that someone died in because they were wearing seatbelts and couldn't react in a manner that would allow them to survive. You don't hear about those accidents, because the insurance industry doesn't want you to. Because then you could start comparing and you might find out that for every life saved, there is also a life lost, or close to it. The same applies to the gun lobby. For every life taken, by some criminal with a gun, you don't hear about the 15 or 20 that were saved because someone had a gun. You only hear how we need to limit the kinds of guns and number that someone can have.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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Amen

brother.

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unfortunatly if infact he is illegaly elected we will never find the proof.how well could you hide all your dirty little secrets if you were the in the most powerful position in america?sad times for america

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:33 PM

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i posted this

16 weeks ago here http://www.gunslot.com/forum/national-rifle-association-strongly-opposes... but i appreciate J.M.Browning bringing it back up.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:39 PM

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I wasn't a member then, and in fact do not remember ever visiting this forum before about three days before I joined it. Thanks to guys like you, and JMB, we keep these things in front of us and are able to voice our opinions. Again Thank you too.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:52 PM

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Sorry, LBC

I didn't realize. I will search next time. I get awful passionate about this stuff.

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no need to

apologize,it's good to be passionate about something more important than the score of some game,but i'm not gonna jump on my soapbox about what i think of sports tonite.thats a whole can of worms for me.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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awe schucks

kicking at the dirt with my boot here.wasn't nothing.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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Mr. O'Quinn

Thank you for your recent electronic mail message to my office in Washington. I am pleased that because of the Internet, more than 100,000 Virginians will send their ideas directly to me this year.

Please be assured that your views are very helpful to me and my staff. As the Senate addresses crucial economic, domestic and foreign policy issues facing our nation, we will be sure to keep your comments and ideas in mind.

I encourage you to visit my website at http://webb.senate.gov for regular updates about my activities and positions on matters that are important to Virginia and our nation.

If the subject of your communication is time sensitive, involves a personal issue relating to the federal government (such as help with a passport, claim for veterans’ benefits, or immigration) or requires more detailed attention, please visit my Assistance/Casework page located at http://webb.senate.gov/services/assistance.cfm or contact my office directly toll free at 1-866-507-1570.

Again, thank you for contacting my office, and I hope you will communicate with me often in the future.

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Basically he (Office Staff) is ignoring what I had to say and or he (Office Staff) wont speak on the matter. In any case seems like a "Fuck You" email to me. Damn Democrap's!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 10:22 PM

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that's pretty common from the people on the hill. Don't get too discouraged. If they hear from you often enough, they'll realize that you're not just a armchair patriot. Just remember this is the only voice we have right now. Until election day, when we get a chance to give them our opinion of their listening skills.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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Not Discouraged

Dissapointed that he (Office Staff) did not even mention ANYTHING on my comments about Andrew Tarver and my 2nd Amendment Right. Senator Jim Webb dissapoints me....kinda figures since he is a Democrap...

Tune in soon to what Mark Warner says when I receive word from him. I will be sending him a hand written letter. Sending the letter out first tide in the morning.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 11:58 AM

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thats common.in their defense,if they took the time to send everyone a personal response theyd be even slower at getting anything done.you think our gov drags its feet now?inagine if they had to send us all personalized responces.its disapointing i know but america is so big now this is the way it has to be.hey,just a thought,since workers are constantly losing jobs to machines and computers why cant we have a robosenator?prob way more eficient,logical,faster,cheaper.haha.im just sayin..........

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 12:43 PM

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not about traver.

thought id put this here,on this post since its been getting so much trafic.SURVIVALSTRAPS.COM is kind of i cool little shop,they suport the wounded warior project and have pink breastcancer stuff too.they sell dog collars,bracelets belts,rifle slings and more.everything is made out of 550 paracord,30 colors to choose from,and can have dogtags put on.most if not all of their products are replaced free if you send the old one back with the story of why you used it.they also offer an option to send care packages to soldiers, i think that is really cool.if you can afford it please go send a care package to a random soldier,its only 20 bucks i think.this is a nifty little family owned company with cool looking stuff,that could help you in a shity/survival situation where you may need a buckle and or a pice of 550 cord.ok well ive advertised them enough now.hope yall go checkem out.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 4:57 PM

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Dear Mr. O'Quinn,

Thank you for contacting me regarding the nomination of Andrew L. Traver to serve as the next Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution provides that the President "shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint...Officers of the United States...." As a former Chief Executive, I respect the constitutional authority and prerogative of the President, regardless of party, to select nominees for the executive branch who he believes will best serve the interest of the American people. I also take very seriously the Senate's constitutional duty to render advice and consent on Presidential nominations.

On January 5, 2011, the nomination was received in the Senate and referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which I am not a member. However, should Mr. Traver's nomination come before the full Senate, I will be sure to keep your views in mind.

Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at http://warner.senate.gov.

Sincerely,
MARK R. WARNER
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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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mr quins letter seems a little more personalized.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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Its Mr. O'Quinn not Quins lol

As for the letter I caught that part to. Had the feeling that he wrote it personally....but I wont swear to it.

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whoops...

im kina retarded today.meant mr warner,but for some reason typed quin...sorry.typing while intoxicated.hahaha

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:53 PM

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Its all good pal. I can say I have been called Mr. Quin, Mr.Oakwin, so forth and so on lol

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 3:08 PM

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Snake,

at least they are close to your name, Try having my last name and people thinking its Magoo... You probably don't remember the cartoon with Mr. Magoo, WAAAAAAAAAAAYyyyyyyyy before your time. But I had to listen to it in school, and now I hear it every now and again by mistake.

Back on subject, I sent letters to both my senators. Both replied (actually their office staffs did it), but I did get a reply from each. The first was from John Cornyn and follows:

Dear David R. "Randy" McCugh,

Thank you for contacting my offices. Your correspondence has been received, and we will respond to you as quickly as possible. A copy of your message is attached below for your records.

If you need immediate assistance regarding an urgent problem you are experiencing with the federal government, visit the "Help With Federal Agencies" section of the website for details on how to proceed so that your difficulties are brought to my attention as soon as possible.

If you are seeking information or services from my offices that are NOT related to my Legislative duties, please visit my "Services For Texans" section for more information.

Warmest Regards,
U.S. Senator John Cornyn

This one is the disappointment. Like Snake's Senator Webb, it doesn't even acknowledge any concerns. I have not recieved any follow-up as yet. I think its about time I contacted him again and asked for confirmation of his receipt of at least one of them. Finally I did receive a confirmation from Senator Hutchinson and it was almost word for word the same as Ronin's above. It makes me wonder if they actually read their emails or not.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:12 PM

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I doubt they read them. There is a slight hope they read them but the chances they read them word for word is very slim. Hopefully they will get enough emails on the subject to see we are serious. Lets hope and pray our words will help in one form or another.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:35 PM

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that pretty much sums it up. You've clearly defined the game we're forced to play to preserve our rights.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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Cornyn has been good in the past in regards to replying to emails I have sent. This was probably from a staffer that is fending off a wave of mail. Give it a little and see if he doesn't eventually reply. If not, keep sending him letters. He will eventually realize you are not a Monday Morning politico and will start recognizing you.
But again, I wouldn't worry too much. I know Sen. Cornyn (not personally, just familiar w/ him), and I'm sure he is already planning on blocking this nomination. But every letter that gets sent, even if the congress person already planned on this action, can be used by that congress person as ammunition to present the will of the people.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 11:49 PM

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Letters..

Randy posted that his letter was almost word for word like mine, and honestly I'm not surprised. They prob write up a form letter when they start getting enough mail about any particular subject, A staffer scans the letter, finds the points and attaches the correct form letter. While not perfect, it is understandable. How long do you think it would take to personally answer every mail recieved? And if I am correct, atleast it's a sign that people ARE voicing their opinions, which is a good thing. As to Sen Cornyn, he states in his bio page that he is a gun owner and hunts every chance he gets. I'll take that as a hopefull sign.

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3 years 40 weeks ago, 5:34 AM

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I agree with your above statement. I'm not really surprised about Sen. Hutchinson's letter. I would imagine with all the pro-gun people in Texas that she had the form letter written up when Obama first nominated Traver, knowing that when word reached Texas, she would likely get a hailstorm of e-mails. She probably also prints copies to mail out for those who don't have email or choose to hand write the letters.

As for Senator Cornyn, I believe that at one time I also heard that he is a member of NRA. So that could be another hopeful sign too. I am somewhat surprised that he didn't have some kind of form letter. And it may be that I chose the wrong category for the letter. I'm not above taking blame for making a mistake that I may have made there. I just hope that when either of these senators retires, that we will get someone who is just as good as these have been over the years.

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Below is what I received back from my Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. It doesn't seem to be the run of the mill, Thank You Please come again letter. I really liked his closing statement. I'm glad I voted for him.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the nomination of Special Agent Andrew Traver. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue.

Special Agent In Charge (SAC) Traver currently serves as the head of the Chicago Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). In Nov. 2010, President Obama nominated SAC Traver to become the director of the BATFE. He failed to complete the nomination process prior to the conclusion of the 111th Congress.

On Jan. 5, 2011, President Obama once again nominated SAC Traver to fill the same director position at the BATFE. His nomination has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which I am not a member, where it awaits further consideration.

There are many in Washington who give lip-service to the Second Amendment, but vote to restrict gun ownership once they begin serving in public office. Gun control laws only restrict access to responsible gun ownership. I do not support any proposed gun control law that would limit the right of gun ownership by those who are responsible, law-abiding citizens. With SAC Traver's many public statements regarding his stance on restricting gun ownership you can rest assured that I will be following his nomination process closely and am prepared to oppose him or any other moninee that I conclude will use his power to undermine the Second Amendment.

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