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3 years 15 weeks ago, 6:44 PM

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AR build

I'm thinking I need something to keep my hands busy and occupy some idle time. Why not build an AR? I'm understanding I need 1 piece with a SN that can't be shipped unless to FFL. What piece is that? Which one do I want? and why?
Once I get my hands on the mystery piece, can the rest be shipped directly to me via UPS or Fed-Ex?

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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Since yer gonna ask

The main use of built weapon will be to have useful working knowledge of the AR15/M16 platform.
Hell, I might not even keep it.

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 8:08 PM

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you need

a lower shipped to an FFL,some lowers come stripped,no working parts installed,no grip,trigger guard,no buffer assembly,but they have the serial number which means they need to go thru a FFL,you can add all the other stuff later piece meal,or get an assembled lower,from a good AR company http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ www.colemantyler.com www.magpul.com and start in. Then figure your top end,actually you will want to decide in advance if you want a M4/CQB rifle or Carbine.get quality parts,i posted a list awhile back for shackleford,pieces cost about 800.00 for M4gery,good parts too.I believe Reaper is putting one together,shouldn't be much ducttape on that one.

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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vaq

I'm finishing one right now. I just need a rail and some random accessories and it'll be finished (hopefully in a week or so). LBC is right on for almost everything he said. The stripped lower is the only part that actually has to go through a FFL.

You mentioned that you want to become familiar with the platform, which you will, but assuming you keep the rifle what will you actually use it for? Do you want a defense/CQB type rifle, or a varmint/longer range/precision rifle? Once you get that figured out, you can start looking at barrels, triggers, stocks, optics etc. that will fit your specific needs.... but most lowers and uppers will work fine for any kind of AR you decide to build. You can buy complete lower groups and complete upper assemblies and throw in a nice bolt carrier group and charging handle and you'll have a finished rifle, or if you really want to become familiar with the platform you can do all that yourself. Budget will also play an important role. If you're trying to stay fairly cheap, it can be done... but knowing your budget in the beginning helps because it allows you to skimp in certain areas where it may not matter as much and allocate most of your funds to the more important parts. I suggest sticking to good name brands for the majority of the parts. If you have any specific questions, let us know.

As LBC mentioned, BCM is a good place to start looking for parts:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/
I've also had pretty good luck with Rainier:
http://www.rainierarms.com/

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 2:40 PM

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Reap, LBC

Thanks. So I need a lower through FFL then the rest of the parts can be dropped at my door?
Next question. What is the difference in M4 and AR? I do know I want direct impingement, I see no need for recirculating dirty gasses trough a piston.
Reap, of course i'm going to want to kill intruders at close range and tanks at 1000 yards. Ryo said I could :) and just use 1 particular round of ammo too! lol.
Seriously, I want a upper tier lower since that's the FFL piece. I can dick around with the rest of it if I become enamored with the platform. Kinda like the old hot rodders. Get a good solid chassis and massage the rest of it for fun. No real budget number except 200 a month and no rush. 3 months to something that goes bang? 7 months to something that yall envy? I don't know. Like I said, just something to keep my hands busy and learn from too. That's good enough for me.

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 3:09 PM

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lowers

Yes, everything except the lower can be delivered to your door. 90% of the lowers out there are made by one of four different manufacturers (LMT,CMT,MMS,LAR) then other companies slap their logo on them and charge different prices for them. Since that's the case, the majority of lowers will be similar quality with the exception of the bottom tier cheapo's and some of the billet lowers. An example is that a KAC (knights) lower may go for quite a bit more than a eagle/armilite lower, but they're both made by LMT, so they should be similar in quality. Since companies charge a premium for their logo, this may be one of the areas that you could save $$ on if you don't really care about brands. If you're buying the lower with a LPK (lower parts kit) already installed there will be more of a difference in quality than if you're just buying the stripped lower. If you're going with a stripped, I would just look for a good deal, then put a quality parts kit in it. If I ever decided to spend the money on a billet lower, it would probably be Sun Devil, LaRue, or POF but thats just me. There are plenty out there. Unless money is not a factor, I can't really justify the cost increase to get a billet when that extra bread could be going to something else like an upgraded trigger or optics and the forged lowers work just fine. That said, I would envy you if you got a LaRue and would probably hire ebear to steal copper wire from Chicago area elementary schools to raise enough money to buy it from you. If you check out Ranier (the link I gave you above) they offer several lowers. Some companies like BCM and Noveske offer 2nd's or blemished lowers. These will function fine, but may have a cosmetic flaw. You can usually save a little coin going that way if you need to. I got a pretty good deal on a spike's lower a few months back. I had planned to use a LMT on this rifle, but got a steal on a spike's (can't remember exact price, but it was a good deal).

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3 years 15 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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oh yea

generally people refer to shorter barreled AR's (16 in or less) with a collapseable stock as an M4, although thats not actually correct (hence "M4gery"). Real M4's are select fire carbine versions of the M16.

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