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5 years 33 weeks ago, 8:16 PM

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AR or AK

What are some main pros and cons of AR-15 and AK-47. Im gonna buy one just dont know which one yet, im just looking for some feedback.

5 years 33 weeks ago, 12:28 AM

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I like the AR-15 it is more accurate and you can buy diff uppers for it to swicth to a Ruger 204 or a 6.8 SPC rounds. You can get diff barrel lengths to with the AR-15.

Yes, the AK-47 is cheaper and so is the ammo but they are only good out to 400 meters at best. Don't get me wrong I have owed a couple AK's but I like the AR's better than AK-47.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 1:49 AM

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I've either been shooting an M16 or an AR since 1965. I agree w/fordvg regards diversity, he left out the 50 BEOWULF (which I am somewhat enamored with). It make big hole. If you plan to carry one on duty another plus is the ammunition is lighter if you gots to go jogging around.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 7:18 AM

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I agree with fordvg the AR-15 is a better gun very versatile easy to maintain you cant go wrong with an A-15

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 9:30 AM

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apples to oranges

you will need to get both eventually because they are completely different.
AR- more accurate, longer range, more expensive, more flexability as far as adding accessories, uppers etc...
AK- Harder hitting, easy to use, fail proof (with a decent quality rifle), less expensive.
They both have their uses, pros and cons. Like I said, I would want both. If I was on patrol, I would want my AR... If I was barricaded in my house and the zombies were coming, I would grab my AK.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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reaper got the idea

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 2:13 AM

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Agree..need both

Agree with fordvg..AR nicer overall, but as for durability..I've seen AK's that have been submerged in water, mud, shit, you name it for extended periods of time..pulled right out, not cleaned and still fire round after round. I would have both in a perfect world..like reaper said, both have their uses, depends on your plans. Had a Sergeant Major did three tours in Nam as a Ranger..said they took all the AK's they could pick up..weren't as accurate..but he said the damn things just wouldn't quit

5 years 33 weeks ago, 9:57 AM

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I would choose a m-14 over both but my 1st choice of the two is an AR

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 10:48 AM

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I agree with everything that's been said here. There are other types of AKs besides the 47, that have the same abilities concerning durability and reliability. You might like one of them much better. The FN FNC style of the AK is an outstanding weapon. One like the Swedish AK 5 Basic is an excellent weapon. It gives you accuracy and reliability. It doesn't shoot as far as most AR-15 types of rifles, but it's going to be less expensive and since the AK 5 is chambered for the NATO 5.56mm x 45mm standard round, ammunition is easy to come by and not expensive. If you are interested in the AK type of weaponry, check out some other rifles besides the 47. That being said, I would still choose an AR over an AK, but that's just me.
My son put up a picture of the AK 5 Basic and there is a lively discussion with the picture and some really good, reliable information there as well. My son is LittleDragon on Gunslot. If you go to his page here by clicking on his member name, you will find a thumbnail link to the picture and the discussion. Hope this helps.
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5 years 33 weeks ago, 11:16 AM

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where they locked both of these down for comparison tests. The AR won easily for accuracy. But the original purpose of the AK was on auto where you could spray an area with lead. So a one-on-one comparison is really a bit unfair because if you count original intent, it's apples and oranges.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 2:09 PM

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schuyler san is right

abur,

is really apples and oranges like schuyler san say. if look at original reason behind development of AK 47. it was design to spray lead for area effect. never was design for accurate weapon. but also agree with my pops. there are nice AK style weaponry out there. he give example of AK 5 Basic, mostly because of all AK style weapon, this one more close to AR weapon than almost any other AK. it depend on what job you want do with rifle. if want target shoot at distance then AK 47 just about useless. but if want target shoot at say around 400 meter or less, AK 5 is good weapon and cost much less money than typical AR style weapon.
Ryo get Walther G22 Black A3 bullpup carbine for birthday yesterday. and come sunday afternoon when get back from rifle range with family then ryo have to change signature cause then will be boy who can shoot! just turn 16 yesterday and G22 carbine is ryo very first rifle. younger brother is expert marksman and he been shooting since he was 10.
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5 years 33 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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Well if your gonna get both, know which to get:

AK's: Russian, Hungarian, Bulgarain, Chinese, Polish, Yugoslavian, Egyptian,
and last Romanian. to name a few.

AR's: Colt, Armalite, Olympic, Bushmaster, DPMS, Inc, Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, DSA, Cavalry Arms, DoubleStar Corporation, and Kurts Kustom Firearms just to name a few.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 3:56 PM

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Get them both?

Screw that, get the AR and use the money you would spend on the AK for ammo and mags. This debate really doesn't work for civilians. Unless you are discussing Class 3 weapons, the purpose of the AK is completely negated in the semi-only version. As for maintenance, there are very, very few of us who are going to subject our rifles to any knid of torture-test environment recreationally. The AR shows superior accuracy and superior handling for urban combat environments. Yes, the AK hits harder, but that comes with a heavier recoil and with the availability of civilian rounds out there, the power of the AR is nothing to overlook. Even full metal jacket rounds in the .223 are devastating within typical combat distances, now load up some 55 gr Hornady V-max or Extreme Shock frangibles for home defense and you have a weapon that will drop anything quickly. If this is an apples and oranges debate, go with whichever fruit the AR is.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:07 PM

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FN Herstal make FN FNC and from this are many different type of this weapon that are manufacture. One of the best is the Swedish make, AK 5 Basic. there is thumbnail link on LittleDragon home page on site. if click on will take you to picture of AK 5 Basic and is nice discussion there among ryo friend from around this site. It have lot of information. You might want try experiment for yourself about Know What to Look For. not need agree with everything ryo and little brother ryu kun write. compare with what most very excellent friend charley9toe write and you see point of experiment. AK 5 Basic is just Swedish take on belgium make FN FNC which is also AK style rifle, except it incorporate some features of AR weaponry as well. It very accurate weapon as well as be durable and reliable. My pops tell good friend victor chan, he is fordvg on site here, that he not be afraid to go into field arm with this weapon. that is saying lot coming from my pops.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:26 PM

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If you noticed I stated to name a few, in other words there are more models and makes of both AK's and AR's.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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hai, did notice and so is why make comment. not mean to step on Nitris toe neh. gomen nasai. (words mean am very sincerely sorry)

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:33 PM

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:47 PM

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arigato goziemasu! (words mean thank you very much) Serbia make good weapon and also good sniper weapon base on Ak style design, but ryo imho honest think that Swedish version of FN FNC rifle, their term, AK 5 Basic is best AK style weapon available today, but again like schuyler san point out above, is apple and orange neh. (word neh mean, are you with me so far) it depend on what job want do with rifle. each type have own use and for different type job.
Ryo is just happy to now own little Walther G22 Black A3 bullpup carbine. it only little .22 caliber carbine, but ryo is little person and like little carbine very much. it fit arm and shoulder properly. it feel natural in right hand too. it most very excellent weapon for first rifle for ryo to learn to shoot neh.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 7:24 PM

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click on LittleDragon member name and it take you to ryo home page here at Gunslot. there is new picture that ryo and little brother put up of the FN FAL. this is yet another remarkable rifle in the AK style that might interest you. it is more expensive than most other AK style rifle but still is less expensive than most AR style. this weapon is even today consider the premier rifle for elite paratroops around the world but especial in NATO Europe. hope you like. this rifle is the great grandfather of the AK 5 Basic from Sweden.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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I checked out that picture, it is one of the nicest rifles ive seen. Thats an Ak 5? What caliber is it?

5 years 33 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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if this is the picture you mean then yes it is 5.56mm x 45mm NATO standard round. it very very fine rifle and it not particularly expensive either. cost less than half most AR style rifle and such rifle will last virtually forever. it will be heirloom you can hand down to grand kids and beyond. is one of finest light caliber rifles make today and it good enough to arm both regular Swedish soldier and elite Swedish Air Assault Ranger Paratroopers of their elite K3 Special Forces units.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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AR rules hands down

I have a AR with a 22LR, 9mm, and 223 uppers. No issues

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 11:30 AM

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On a recent trip down the Baja there are several military check points we go through I saw more FN FAL's than ar's by a 2:1 margin. It has been said they are 1/2 the price of an AR if that were true I would have one. My local gun shop has a new colt a-2 AR for 1200.00 and the FN is 1650.00

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 3:29 PM

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ryo did say most, not all AR. also the weapon in the previous post was about the AK 5 Basic, a Swedish make rifle that is base on the FN FNC. did discuss up above this that the FN FAL is a more expensive rifle.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 3:49 PM

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Military FN FAL

are much cheaper than the military M16 series. They are also much more widely available, making them cheaper. Civilian and military prices are completely different, so you really can't compare.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:08 PM

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point ryo was trying to make above was that FN FAL is relatively more expensive than other type AK style weapon because FN Herstal can charge more for it because it more in demand. also you most correct that civilian and military weaponry are complete different and to compare is waste of time in many case.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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I have to ask what you are going to use the weapon for? I have never understood why price would be a factor in choosing a weapon you would use for self defense. I do understand why price would be an issue for a "fun gun". I had an SKS for a while, I sold it to purchase my first pistol. The next weapon I purchased was an AR platform. I have 2 now. Ammo is easy to reload, and as it was mentioned, if you are reloading your ammo, you have a myriad of choices for rounds to shoot.
I would never own an ak-47. My ego will not allow it, I interpret this as the enemy's gun. AK variants are different (I know I need to see a therapist about this distinction...).

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 7:01 PM

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this is my next firearm, don't know much about it, but i like the way it looks...

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