5 years 31 weeks ago, 1:14 PM
Saint J.M. Browning  |
AR Question
OK, so is there any way to get into the AR platform at <$700 and have a rifle that's worth a shit? Kits? Frankenstein? It seems that ARs are overly expensive for what they are. "I don't think Hank done it this way" - Waylon |
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clintlebo
SJMB,
you can try an auction site. I never base a weapon on price. I do my research to see what the system can do for me and apply that to my mission.
So to answer your question the best I can, I would have to ask you what your mission is. Invading Cuba would warrant a different rifle than plinking cans.
I wish I could help you more, but when it comes to rifles, I find opinions are as varied as the people that give them.
clint
captmax
Yes, you can buy them for $600, I would suggest that they are junk. If you do buy one, plan on spending in excess of a $1,000 for a decent one.
jay sedler
very true clint.saint,you could frankengun one together for around that,or dpms...they aren't the best out there,but you could maybe get into one for that.it really depends what you want it for and what features you want as clint said,whats the mission?personaly,i wanted a nice tight fitting set made of 7075 billet,so everything else is built onto a nice set,and things can be upgraded or added later.
ronin1604
Nothing was cheap about mine, but I went the opposite route. I had the funds at the time, so I built it with what I wanted right off the bat. Cost an arm and a leg, but haven't really changed much since. I think the biggest obsticle will be getting a tight fit between upper and lower reciever, but the rest is cake. Maybe others here would dis-agree.
jay sedler
ronin,ya getin a tight fit is tricky,thats why i bought a matched set from sonju,a little known company.a few companies are offering sets now.mega sonju(si defense) sun devil i think...
Reaper308
it could be done but a couple hundred more will go a long way
Ishootdaily
so many damn choices out there that my personal plan is to put back $1200.00 for the build and possibly part of the optics.
with the SR556 setup for mini sass, I need a run -n- gun ar, ruger is too freaking heavy at 9 lbs without optics and un-loaded.
AK74 folded up in a pack is a happy thought also though.
margaritaville
Check out model1sales
Saint J.M. Browning
Clint, I've more just been kicking it around. I would say if I get one, its purpose would be punching paper and my main SHTF defense. Zombie apocalypse rifle, right? So, my main goal would be reliability I think. Accuracy is OK, but I think most modern rifles are as accurate as I would need for my purposes.
Reap, so for $900, I can get a high-end? Is this in terms of accuracy, reliability, features, and/or durability?
margaritaville
Check into optics planet too
jay sedler
check out cmmg yet?750-999$ complete rifles
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/category/556-LE-Firearms-223
Saint J.M. Browning
Looks good. Thanks for posting.
Reaper308
I was talking about good quality parts which translates to durability/reliability. Accuracy will be pretty close with different 16" chrome lined barrels. They're all capable of decent accuracy unless you get a bad apple. If you want match grade accuracy, you'll want to go down a different road.
You can buy a commercial grade AR from a few manufacturers for your 700-800 price range give or take (Bushmaster, Armalite, S&W, DPMS, RRA etc.). They will be fine for all intensive purposes. Around 900 or so you start getting into better quality mil spec parts but complete basic Spikes or Stag rifles can be had for a little less.
You can also find lightly used good quality rifles in your range.
The most failure prone part of the rifle is the bolt carrier group, so I would definitely get a good quality BCG which ever way you decide to go. BCM or LMT BCG's can be had for $120-140 online.
Here are a few options for you to kick around... (There are plenty of good manufacturers, these are just a few I have experience with)
BCM 16" middy upper $399
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/...
Gunfighter CH $45 (you can get the regular CH for half the price)
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-4-...
BCM BCG $140
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm...
MOE handguard $35
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MOE-MID-Length-Handguard-BLACK-p/m...
or
Ranier 16 middy (includes MOE handguard, CH and BCG) $610
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2697
or
Spikes 16 middy (includes standard handguard, BCG, no CH) $560
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/upper-556-16-mid-le-wml-handguards-f...
Get whatever flavor of rear sight you want. You can get a magpul BUIS for $40 or Daniel Defense or Troy fixed for $60.
Slap it on any lower group that uses quality parts $250-300. I would look at BCM (they offer cosmetic blem lowers), LMT, Spikes, Ranier etc. but there are others.
The fit/finish may not be safe queen quality but it will be reliable.
Saint J.M. Browning
Thanks for the info. And to all you guys. I won't need match grade. I figure if I can get MOA out of it, it will be good enough.
One last thing that I forgot to mention, for the Bushmaster or DPMS in the 700-800 range, would that be a NATO chamber?
Reaper308
they should be, but you should double check the particular model you're looking at. Almost all bushmasters are. In the specs it should either say NATO or sometimes for the caliber it will say 5.56 or 5.56/.223 instead of just .223. I've have a bushy that has been through some shit and gets neglicted and it still hasen't missed a beat.There are some reports of Bushy not staking their gas key properly but I haven't ran into that. It's an easy fix either way. I've never owned a DPMS, I would rather buy spikes, shrubmaster, stag or M&P but thats just me.
clintlebo
The upper that Reaper mentioned is NATO
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/...
For all intents and purposes, the build Reaper mentioned will work for your zombie rifle. The brilliant part of the build is the use of complete uppers and lowers. This negates most of the armorers tools you would need to build a parts kits, thus saving you money from either having to buy the tools, or paying labor to an armorer.
check your PM today.
clint
Saint J.M. Browning
Got it. And thank you. I think between you, reaper and the rest, I have a much better idea now for my zombie killer.
ak-dave
Parts kits are @$430-495 ranges now. Pretty much everything out there is Mil-Std parts. Chrome bores are over rated. Save the $$ and just clean. You can find a striped lower for @$90 too, if your not a name snob. Del-Ton has good prices and check out akpartskits.com. Model 1 works too.
I've been using Aero Precision and Surplus Ammo and Arms lowers lately. Just because they are are local. Looks like $75 lowers are a thing of the past again.
Reaper308
you can get a palmetto stripped for $79, but then again if you buy online most will have to pay shipping and ffl
Ishootdaily
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SASL&groupid=53
Advanced aerospace manufacturing technology was utilized to produce the industries finest, forged Mil-Spec lowers. These receivers are machined on automated, cellular manufacturing system to produce a product of unequaled quality and value. These forged lowers will accept all standard lower parts kits. These have pictograms for fire control and are quality made using 7075 T6 aluminum and are marked "CAL MULTI" to accommodate most builds.
Surplus Arms & Ammo LOW15 Stripped AR Lower Receiver F1SASL $59.95
options, options... heh
I keep kicking around the idea of building a DI shorty with a Micro can on it...
teko52
a friend got one here seams as good or better then the one I has in 1975
http://www.del-ton.com/