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5 years 44 weeks ago, 4:11 AM

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Are Bayonets Obsolite?

Just throwin something out there to try to stir some debate. Are bayonets obsolite or do they still have a place on the battlefield? What are yall's thoughts on the subject????

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 8:37 AM

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No weapon is obsolete, if it still works. I don't want to be in battle and run out of ammo and NOT have a bayonet. War is much longer distance in the early stages, but boots on the ground will always be needed to mop up. A good bayonet is worth it's weight in gold, if you need it and have it.
Just my opinion.
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5 years 44 weeks ago, 10:25 AM

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Not a fan of bayonets

Having a good fixed blade "combat" knife is a great thing, but I don't intend on ever fixing one to my rifle. Well, for one, I carry an M203, so I couldn't put on a bayonet anyway. Rifles with bayonets are unwieldy and are easily parried, deflected, and taken away. A large fixed-blade in the hand is much more manueverable (sp). Rifles with bayonets are, however, a very intimidating sight, especially to the arabs who are, for some reason, more afraid of having a pistol or knife pulled on them than they are of a belt-fed. As far as intimidation during crowd control, bayonets are wonderful, but when talking about steel in meat, a handheld knife is better. Just my opinion.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 10:32 AM

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As my father-in-law used to tell me "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!" LOL Always good to have a good knife. What do you think of the GI issue K-bar?

5 years 44 weeks ago, 11:17 AM

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bayonets

boyonets are just another weapon that you can use, and carring one doesn't take a lot of effort or energy.

I recently heard a story where a few US marines actually had to use them in Fallujah (i think) in 2004. They had to take cover in an abandoned house after taking small arms fire and RPG's from insurgents. After taking cover, the house was surrounded and they were largly out numbered and still taking fire. They had to hold position and wait for reinforcements, but were running low on ammo. The crazy fucking jihads would storm the house one at a time breaking through the doors (all taking direct hits and getting sent to allah). This went on for some time, and all of the marines held up in the house took a pact to save atleast a couple bullets for themselves, because they were not going to surrender or be captured.... so they started using their boyonets on the rag heads that stormed the house. long story, but eventually an apache or huey or something came and cleared the way for reinforcements... all survived.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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Kabar is very good

On my deployments I carried one of three fixed blade fighters; The Hissatsu, a James Williams design made by Columbia River Knife and Tool, the Cold Steel Recon Tanto, or an early example of the Gerber MK2 black blade knife. All knives had the balance, size, and edge-holding ability that made me very comfortable carrying them. I never carried a Kabar because I don't really like the feel, but that knife has survived for a long time for a reason. It is a simple, rugged knife that is equally effective opening someone's guts as it is opening an MRE. Not my first choice, but I would feel well-equipped if I had to carry one.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 2:52 PM

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Kabar and the Bayonet

are both great tools if you run out of ammo or you want to be very quite.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 7:19 PM

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Bayonets

I love Bayonets. When i was a Kid i had a BB gun with a 7-Inch Butcher Knife on the end. I called it a Redneck Bayonet. To Awnser your Question Bayonets are still used today.

5 years 44 weeks ago, 11:45 PM

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I love bayonettes

I had many uses for a bayonette. NY has banned the bayonette because of all the drive by bayonettings in NYC.
How about digging your mouse hole in the field. There is always a use. Hopefully the enemy does not get close enough..

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 1:49 AM

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Kabar and the Bayonet are still used today for finding land mines. I remember this well. One of the best ways to find a mine if you don't have the other tools of the trade handly.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 8:52 AM

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Negative, ford

Any EOD tech or engineer worth their salt will tell you never use a metallic object to probe for mines. There are mines in common use today which detect metallic objects, like the knife or the old metal mine probes if you don't have the fiberglass probe, you use a stick or something else, but never a knife unless you have absolutely no choice. As for having no choices, you'll never have that problem, as four MRE spoons taped together can be a very effective probe and I don't know of any leader screwed up enough to not ensure his/her troops go outside the wire with sufficient food and water.

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5 years 44 weeks ago, 10:32 PM

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Great to climb

Great to climb a fence with you can stick gun weapon into the ground climb over then retrieve your weapon. A friend told me this is a safe way to climb a fence.

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