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yet another infringement upon our rights.

I say Bull Shit

it appears this is the same story i heard of last year,mostly aimed at the siaga.
here is a link.
http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-...

Sam,
Would you be so kind as to post the url from which you gathered the information?

thank you

clint

model of what a sporting gun should do or look like it's banned.
When gun enthusiasts started calling their favorite semi-autos
assault rifles the gun ban assholes had an orgasm, they shot off in their
their panties. Words out of gun owners mouths that help ban guns.
There is no logic behind the laws, no sound reasoning.
I'm tired and don't want to talk anymore so I'll close by saying, fuck ATF

the only info i found on this was the same as last year,when they were accepting input.acording to what i have read at the batfe website the time to reply was no later than may1 2011.are you guys talking about another study,or is this info being recirculated?anyone know if they have re opened the "study"?

Jay,

I did some more research and came up with this, I included my sources as well...

From: http://www.ammoland.com/2011/11/19/little-noticed-provision-kills-atf-sh...

A little noticed provision tucked into a large appropriations bill obviously flew under the radar of the “Brady Bunch” and the “Illegal Mayors.”

The new law effectively kills ATF’s plan to stop tactical/military shotgun imports by way of abusing the “sporting purpose” requirement and their agency rulemaking powers.

The “Fiscal Year 2012 Agriculture, Commerce/Justice/Science (CJS) and Transportation/Housing/Urban Development (THUD) Appropriations bills”, also known as the “Mini-Bus”, was passed by Congress, and signed into law by President Obama on November 18, 2011.

SEC. 541. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to pay the salaries or expenses of personnel to deny, or fail to act on, an application for the importation of any model of shotgun if–

(1) all other requirements of law with respect to the proposed importation are met; and
(2) no application for the importation of such model of shotgun, in the same configuration, had been denied by the Attorney General prior to January 1, 2011, on the basis that the shotgun was not particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

or for the bill: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr2112enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr2112enr.pdf

clint

one had a hemorrhage over it and the whole thing slipped away quietly.
It'll be back, I'd bet a month's pay on it. Just like the ban on repatriating
military weapons like M1 Garands and M1 Carbines. The issue never
really goes away it just lays in the sewer until some politician or bureaucrat
decides to breathe it back to life.

How's the beautiful baby doin'? You're a lucky guy. Looks like we won't
have any tiny ones here for at least a few years until the G-Kids get
grown up and married ;<( I take advantage of every chance to "spoil"
the G-Kids before they get old enough to realize
"it ain't cool hangin' out with old people"

I responded to the ATF shotgun study a year ago.I sent them an email explaining my thoughts and a few weeks later they replied to me.I'll see if i can dig it up,although at the time i remember it being pretty bland.But a follow up might be in order.

my letter to the ATF shotgun study.

Hello,I am a taxpaying gun owning us citizen I am not a terrorist and I hate that so many of us gun owners are being treated as such.The term "sporting purposes"is a non descriptive term that seems to allow you the right to take guns off the market because of the military or military like features they have.All pistols,rifles,and shotguns can and do have a sporting purpose.If I as a taxpaying legal natural born American citizen choose to shoot paper targets, clays,or the dirt for that matter,what difference does it make if I do it with a gun that has a detachable magazine,a pistol grip,semi auto,pump,or bayonet?ALL guns are weapons,and ALL guns can kill people,what makes it a sporting weapon is how the operator chooses to use it.Enough of our 2nd amendment rights have been nibbled away already without further rules, regulations,or gun bans that we all know don"t really stop the criminals.The problem with our crime and safety in this country is the enforcement of the laws that mater,and can prevent or deter crime.It does not matter if every gun hating liberal in the country cant see the reason for a gun I may or may not want to own,I have a RIGHT not a privilege to keep and bear arms as per the 2nd amendment of the constitution written by our founding fathers.The important thing to remember here is the 2nd amendment never says who,or why,or under what laws we may keep and bear arms,nor does it state what arms we may keep.Although I understand,and agree with some weapons being closely controlled,such as machine guns.I do not belive the constitution allows anyone the right to deny the law abiding American public access to them or any other gun completely based on their own idea of "sporting purposes".Please consider the gravity/X games that are widely becoming sports,or being viewed and televised as sports.50 years ago most people wouldn't have thought of these activities as sports.Once baseball,and football,hockey,and all the sports Americans and the rest of the world loves were simply not a sport.Imagine if baseball bats had been deemed "not adaptable to sporting purposes" because people used them incorrectly and only a small amount of the population played the game.We would be denied the most American sport in history!We are not asking for missiles,hand grenades and bombs.We as good American citizens recognize the danger in the general public having this type of things.we all know humans are accident prone,and even if not a single person used their hand grenades in a crime,someone would have an accident.All that having been said please do not infringe upon the rights that I have as a reasonable,non threatening, patriotic citizen have according to the constitution of the U.S.A.thank you for your consideration,I hope you make the right American choice.

fellow citizen John Sedler.

Well done.. Most (self included) just sit back and let others do the work.. good job..

or use a Saiga? They did use some "Streetsweepers" and some Benellis. But those are not available to private citizens.

are you saying that just "street sweepers" are not allowed to private citizens, or saigas, streetsweepers, and benellis?

just curious, because I know of at least 3 places I can purchase a benelli in m2 or m4.

clint

Old bullshit idea getting recirculated, already been shut down, but will come back from the dead like Jason or Freddy. Just be ready to shut it down again.

I'm pretty sure you can buy one with the paper work and tax stamp.

Have to ask Billy if it is on the Ban list or not. I know he mentioned that it was a couple years back when he mentioned he wished he had not sold his.

With enough money and the correct paper work you can own just about anything, so what you can and can not own is always questionable in the end...

I mean hell, I can buy a retired Russian MIG, and own 4 .50 cal's. Can I put those 50's in the nose or wings of that Mig? "Questionable"

the atf can sell guns to mexican gansters but we cant own semi-auto shotguns to protect us from those same gangsters thats just brass ackwards!!!

So how long did it take for you to get your new gun? Without we the people to put controls on the government, the government will put controls on us. And by the way, we as of country have sold many guns to many different people. Some good and some very bad.

ATF turned the StreetSweeper, Striker12, SPAS15 and USAS12 into Destructive Devices in short order, with no vote, no oversight and no recourse.

They can do the same to a variety of firearms in the same fashion in a very short amount of time. Same as POTUS can ban importation of certain guns and ammo via Executive Order.

Bush Srs 1989 ban on HKs, etc...Clinton's ban on Chinese 7.62x39 FMJ and others....same way the whole Class III/NFA restrictions came about. It's not a lack of everyman protests....no matter how much we protest we have no say, no legal recourse.

Just a matter of time and I'll bet the KSG and Saiga will be in their sights, again. If not ATF, then mayors and governors who are no-good Commie hoplophobes.

stop it is replace their bosses.
I am very surprized ammunition is not strictly controlled now.
Hows it down your way?

Ammo is flowing freely in the Lone Star State, although it's price will go up again stupidly due to upcoming election and actual cost increase in raw materials worldwide (copper, lead, etc).

TX only ammo restrictions are a poorly worded felony ban on pistol-cal AP, which in reality is rarer than hen's teeth since the late-80s ATF federal restrictions on manufacture and importation.

Some somewhat hippified cities like Austin get cranky about gunshow regs and stuff, but overall TX is one of the best places to be for gunowners.

fedgov some time in the future to restrict calibers and performance of ammo, a slow but eventually an effective way to make guns harder to feed.
If you can't get ammo the gun's not much good. I expected them to do it a long time ago like following the 1968 frenzy.

kinda makes me think that there isn't much hope for the collective intelligence of the shooting community. Firearm prices will skyrocket for select bang sticks too I'm sure.

The Saiga is already $700.00 - $800.00 in Sporting setup as imported. Frankly speaking, it isn't worth much more than $350.00 - $400 in that setup, so you still have to purchase the kits or parts to convert it and make it worth anything more than the basic value.

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JUL. 30, 2012