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3 years 28 weeks ago, 12:29 AM

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Bear Ammo

I read a couple of other posts mentioning Bear Ammunition. My dad as a 30-06 bolt action that I will be inheriting from him next week and after some shopping it seems most of the big-name brand ammo is at least $1.00 per round. I found some Golden Bear 30-06 for about 50 cents per round, which is easier to afford for plinking.

I understand the Golden Bear ammo is copper plated steel casings. Most of the prior posts I found here were talking about using Bear ammo in eastern-bloc semi-auto rifles.

Has anyone had any experience with firing Golden or Silver Bear ammo out of a bolt action? I'm assuming it should be ok but thought I'd ask since I don't have the rifle yet and can't try it out.

Does anyone know if it is any more corrosive than some of the more well known ammo brands?

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 3:09 AM

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mattitude

See if you can find spent casings, then learn from a reliable source how to reload. You will need to be dedacated to this.
Find a used reloader, shell holders, dies, ect, ect, You will be suprised at the difference in price and accuracy.
Now back to your Question.
I have never fired steel cases in anything. Have you gone on line to look for more thrifter ammo?? Try USAammo.com. ammoman.com
Try to find brass, and never let your brass hit the ground!!! Try Hock Shops, in your town.
I load for my 30-40 Kraig, its fun, lots of different styles of bullets, weights to choose from in .30 Cal.. As well as powders!!
Bear ammo in my hand guns??? NO!! It might be good ammo, I stay away from The CHEEP stuff. Bought some aluminum .38 Specials Blazer, bout 35 years back. It Sucks!! couldn't reload aluminum!! LOOK around you'll find something. Ask other shooters for their spent 06 caseings, mabe they will part with it!!
Happy Hunting!!

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 11:09 AM

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Thanks for the two websites, it doesn't look like USAammo.com offers 30-06 and ammoman.com is out of stock but I will keep checking them out.

I have thought about reloading, but I know that right now I will not be able to dedicate the proper amount of time to do this properly. With my current job and a brand new baby in the house, I am lucky if I even have time to go shooting once every other month.

I don't really like cheap stuff either, I won't shoot steel casings out of my XD, but I have shot a few steel casings out of my AR. They worked ok, but generally I don't like the cheap stuff either.

I'm just looking for some inexpensive but fairly reliable ammo for my dad's rifle so I can at least go shoot it a couple of times to see how it shoots. If I ever get serious about hunting with it, I will start using better ammo.

And if I ever actually find a better job that doesn't require 65+ hours a week, then I will revisit the reloading option.

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 1:47 PM

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Golden Bear

it should be fine for the range. I shoot 7.62x54R Brown Bear and Silver Bear out of my nagants. I've never had a problem with it. It does run on the dirty side

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 1:48 PM

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Steel cased ammo

if you've got a Mosin Nagant like I do, you're going to have to shoot some of the steel cased ammo. It works ok until the gun gets hot, then the polymerized coating on the case can stick-not as big of a deal in a bolt action, but more of a pain in a semi-automatic if it causes an extraction failure. Reloading a steel case is also generally not considered to be worth the wear and tear on your reloading tools in comparison to the price of the ammo, but a Boxer primed case could conceivably be reloaded-most steel cases are Berdan primed. I believe that both Silver Bear and Wolf ammunition (both Russian manufacturers) are acceptable for my rifle in 7.62x54R, but I've never purchased this ammo for a different caliber weapon. It's pretty difficult to find the 54R rounds in anything that isn't made in Russia, and those I've found are manufactured with a steel case. Can't say I've ever tried the Golden Bear though. Maybe that stuff doesn't have the sticky problem if it's copper coated. Reloading brass ammunition, as suggested earlier, is probably your best bet to get those rounds economically. Hope you had a good Christmas mattitude!

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 2:23 PM

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Reaper, I am on vacation next week so I think I'm going to run by a couple of gun shops here and just try to find the cheapest 30-06 ammo for now so at least I can shoot the rifle. If I can find some of the Golden Bear I'll pick some up, otherwise I may order some online.

Doom, its not an eastern-bloc rifle, I think it is a Remington 700 that my dad purchased in the late sixties, but I'm not entirely sure on the make/model. Itis the rifle that I learned to shoot when I was a kid, but I haven't seen it since I was 16 and my Dad doesn't shoot or hunt anymore, so he agreed to let me use it as long as I take care of it.

I had a great Christmas with my beautiful wife and baby daughter! Hope you had a good Christmas as well!

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 12:57 AM

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I had a good time too, got to see my brother who's on leave, had my parents over for dinner a couple times, good stuff.

I figured it wasn't a Russian firearm, the 30-06 is a pretty good indicator, Russian stuff's usually in metric. I was just saying it's tougher to find non-steel cased ammo for the Nagant. Sounds like you've got a bolt action if its a 700, so I don't think you'd have any trouble with the Russian ammo. Just make sure the box says non-corrosive and you should be fine. I've never had a serious problem with either the Wolf or Silver Bear I've purchased. I might have to look around a bit and see if I can find any of that Golden Bear ammo around here that you had mentioned. Enjoy your vacation next week!

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 1:09 AM

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So I was wrong, I knew it had a 7 in the model number. I picket the rifle up from my dad today. It is a Winchester Model 670. And if my research has served me right it is a "budget" version of the venerable Model 70. Although, the only things that appear different are that it supposedly has a Birch stock and it doesn't have a hinged floor plate. That might explain why it was made for only about 10 years and didn't sell well, not enough to make it considerably cheaper than a Model 70.

I couldn't find a whole lot about it except that it seems relatively "rare" because of the fact that it didn't sell well. I'm thinking of emailing Winchester to find out a little more about this specific gun. The stock definitely doesn't appear to be Birch, it a dark rich color. I will post a picture shortly.

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 7:15 AM

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mattitude

ive ran bear ammo out of my taurus 24/7 pro worked just fine for that ............

3 years 28 weeks ago, 5:30 PM

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steel casings

Regardless of manufacturer, I won't shoot steel-cased ammo from any weapon that wasn't designed for it in the first place (ie, ComBloc firearms like the AK-pattern rifles, SKS, Makarov, etc.)

I have seen consistent problems in a variety of weapons using steel-cased ammunition from a variety of manufacturers, regardless of what kind of coating/plating is on the cartridge case (zinc, lacquer, powdercoat, copper wash, etc.). Even Hornady had some serious initial problems with their steel-cased .223 practice stuff.

I see folks regret running this stuff almost weekly. Our arson guys tried it to save $$ during a training course (AR15s)....mistake. One of my rookies failed his backup qual and has to re-shoot it next month due to Herter's (Cabela's imported steel-case) .380ACP ammo fudging up his .380.

Even cheaper brands like Sellier and Bellot (brass cases) do better than steel-cased .30-06. And since your -06 is a nicer, discontinued rifle (Winchester 'economy' gun whoop a lot of higher-priced rifles), I'd go out of my way to shoot ammo in it that is less likely to suffer stuck/split/blown cases, blown primers, etc.

If you send me a properly marked pre-paid UPS box with proof of age, I'll send you a free box of Federal 180gr Hi-Shok JSP just so I don't have to lay awake at night thinking of your Winnie-70 blowing up.

3 years 27 weeks ago, 4:53 PM

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But if you're firing a bolt rifle in a caliber as common as .30-06, you can get American ammo, and the peace of mind that accompanies it, fairly inexpensively. I've used Silver Bear ammo in my AR, but that's because I was doing some pretty high-volume shooting and was taking deals wherever I could find them. With a bolt rifle, the savings won't really add up when you factor in the lower number of rounds, plus the possibility of reloading down the road.

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3 years 25 weeks ago, 1:47 PM

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I have shot a lot of Bear ammo out of my Savage .223 as well as Tula and other Russian brands. I do suggest the polymer over the lacquer because it doesn't gum up the firing pin and chamber much smoother.

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