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5 years 21 weeks ago, 10:59 AM

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I'm sure the question has been raised before, and i apologize if it annoys some of you and/or all for that matter. Thing is, I'm a busy dude. Tons of work and lots of other stuff I have to get done. So I dont have a lot of time to be searching through threads and posts.

I'm looking for a cheap yet reliable 5.56. I was looking at the Sig 556, I can get one for 1200 bucks + taxes and all that jazz. however I'm partial to the M16A2, M16A4, and M4. I've fired them all. As far as manufacturer goes however, I'm not sure where to start. I know of Bushmaster, but thats about it. I'm looking for something around the $800.oo range. but If anyone suggests and recommends the Sig 556, then I'll save up the extra 400-600... while we're at it, Also curious as to if there are any 9mm smg's out there like the HK MP5... only cheaper but still reliable haha. keeping options open.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 6:27 PM

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best bang for your buck is BCM. All of their bbls and bolts are HPT and MPI tested. F marked front sight. I like their 14.5" chrome lined 1:7 bbl with something perm attached to the end to make it 16" and mid length gas (Mid length gas is a lot smoother than carbine). You can get the complete upper group for under $400. Their BFH bbls are only $80 more. Throw a rail on it (they have deals with the upper and rail) and slap it on any decent lower group and you'll have combat ready rifle, not just some paper puncher special. They sell complete rifles at BCM as well. Daniel Defense puts out good stuff too. Their complete rifles will be more than $800 but you will get what you pay for. If I were going to spend $1200, it wouldn't be on a sig 556, it would be on a pimped out BCM.
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5 years 21 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:56 PM

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Sig 516

I have a sig 516 its a sig in the AR platform with piston system chambered in 5.56. works great. Vector makes some MP-5 knock-offs too, dont know about the quality of them though but they look nice. You could also go with a PTR-32 which is like a HK 32. Its chambered in 7.62x39 though but they are awesome. They are actually built and machined on HK equipment with HK blueprints PTR bought them and the rights to make them from HK. The PTR91 is in .308 knock off of G3.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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Sig Sauer 556 Classic SWAT Rifle, .223, 5.56mm

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The gas operated Sig Sauer SIG556 Classic SWAT rifle features a hard coat anodized receiver, aluminum quad rail, a Swiss folding stock and a rotary diopter sight. Uses standard AR-15 magazines. 556302 and 556407
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5 years 20 weeks ago, 2:53 AM

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I have a Bushmaster

and it works just fine.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 12:30 PM

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I agree. I have one too and I would put my life on it. I have upgraded quite a few things (BCG, charging handle, grip, stock,trigger etc..), but it worked fine before I did anything to it. The factory gas tube did wear out pretty fast... I think around 1500 rounds or something, but I was using dirty ammo. If you're only going to spend $800, Bushmaster, DPMS, M&P's, RRA's etc... will be fine. If you can find a colt in that price range, thats a good deal. If you have $1200 to spend, you can get something a little better like a BCM, DD, Noveske, I could go on...

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 6:07 AM

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5.56x45mm

I've never had a problem with either of my Bushmasters, and all the issued rifles here (same brand) have run 100% minus inevitable operator errors and lack of maintenance by users.

Colts have been appearing regularly sub-$900 through various distributors, and Colt does have a general edge over many popular manufacturers (Bushmaster, DPMS) with parts quality.

Have heard only good things about the SLR15, BCM, Larue, and lots of good feedback on Rock River.

Buy once, cry once. Spend as much as you can on a rifle that meets your mission.

PS--very few dependable 9mm carbines available; most ar AR-pattern, and almost all cost the same as the 5.56 models.

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I saw go for the Smith & Wesson M&P15. I own one and have put many, many rounds through it (including "Wolf") and it has eaten everything. Never had a problem and love that gun to death. One draw back is that it is the loudest M16 you can get! Other than that, it is a perfect piece of medium range death (only paper and one squirrel so far).

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Rock River Arms is the best value out there, imho

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 4:15 PM

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I see them at gun shows here in FL for $799 M4 stock new has spider on side mighty get one this weekend april 16 2011 in tampa would love a 308 but can not get that $$$$ for a while (taxe's.child support kill yea lol) but the is a thing call SSAR15 a bump fire stock for AR15 that looks easy to put on and use. Hey good luck with what ever you get enjoy get it now as you never know!!!! TY

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You might think about putting one together yourself. Fairly easy, you can get a complete lower shipped to any FFL dealer for less than 500, then cherry-pick your upper and get it shipped directly to you. That's what I did. Got 600 in a tack-driver with which I have won several minor competitions. Very reliable, no problems so far, and easy to put together. That's what AR rifles are designed for.
Let us know where you go with this.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 1:35 PM

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I agree with building one. If you build it to your needs the first time, you save money in the long run. As $$ allows, I'm working on another AR. It is a BCM upper and 14.5 1:7 chrome lined BBL with a DD handguard. I'll probably throw it on a LMT or Noveske lower (even though 90% of the lowers are the same.)

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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wouldnt mind building one myself at all. gonna look around for uppers n lowers. I've decided im gonna invest in some ammo reloading equipment first though. save a little more on ammo so I can afford more guns easier. lookin at RCBS and lee stuff, gettin round to check on the ebay. but will multi task looking for lowers and uppers for a build. does either the lower or upper come with the whole bolt assembly or do i buy that seperate as well?

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all ar parts can be bought seperatly,or as a complete assembly.i built a billet set with 16" barrel for about 800-900$.coulda been cheaper if i didnt use billet,and if i didnt use magpul furniture.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 3:40 PM

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You usually buy the bolt carrier group (if purchased as a group) or all the parts to complete the BCG separately from the upper. If you buy an upper from a site like BCM, they give you an option to add a BCG for a discounted price (like $20 off). I would suggest doing it that way. If you buy an upper somewhere else, I still suggest looking at BCM's BCGs, Daniel Defense's BCGs, or LMT BCGs. Just make sure you get a M16 (not AR15) group with black (not blue) extractor spring. If you want a really badass carrier and don't want to worry about staying lubed, look into Fail Zero. They are pricey, but have been tested for something like 60K+ rounds with no lube.

http://www.failzero.com/buynow.html?page=shop.browse&category_id=1

Stripped lower is just that, a stripped lower. A complete lower group usually consists of a pistol grip, lower receiver, internals including trigger, buffer tube, stock etc... There are also lower groups that only come with certain parts (maybe doesn't include the trigger, or stock)

You can buy uppers stripped, or with an upper and barrel/gas tube, or with an upper, barrel, and handguard/rail etc... endless possibilities.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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Mike at the range asked about them. Other than the price is high which can be found at their site, I haven't heard anything or even seen one yet.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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Yes. They're extremely good quality billet receivers. That's what I was referring to when I said 90% of lowers are the same. As you probably know, there are 4 main manufacturers who produce the lowers for about 90% of the market (LMT, CMT, LAR, MMS) , then other companies stamp their name and logo on them. The ones that are don't fall into this catagory are the some billet boys like Sun Devil. I like POF's billet receivers also, but I believe those are from MMS. If I was going to drop the coin for a billet lower receiver, it would be a Sun Devil or maybe LaRue.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 3:33 PM

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Yeah, all Felix build and or sells is POF which is very nice but I'm not sure either about them cutting their own or not.

After I get things rolling with my business I'll be building and AR and a SASS. I am thinking 6.8 for the AR which would have multiple uses and a solid battle rifle. I would like a solid long range AR platform also.

Have to see whats out there at the time...

I'll let Mike know that the SunDevil is worth looking into further. He is building a Three gun AR and he owns a few restaurants around the coast of Florida so he can afford it.

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Nice. If money isn't a problem, I say go for it. If I could justify the cost increase I would definitely get a billet... but building one on a budget, I would rather use the $$ to upgrade something else like the bbl, trigger, optics etc... since the majority of lowers will work perfectly fine. Not to mention I still need a MWS!

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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dose all the parts from EVERYONE fit?What tools do u need?As for a tack driver u have to be a good shot for it to be and if u never shot one before? Get use to the rifle then build one. TY

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 4:31 PM

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Not always...

Ar 10's do not conform to a Mil Standard like the AR 15. So part compatibility is something you really need to check on before spending any money.

But that is like building a Hot Rod, you pick and choose the parts to make it do what your wanting it to do.

Many AR 10 uppers will not fit on a DMPS 308 lower... So DMPS might not be the best choice if your going to build a AR 10... Limits your options form the get go...

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 4:26 PM

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Tallguy, building one could be seen as the best means of becoming intimately familiar with the weapon and it's function. As far as shooting one goes, it's a rifle. If you have shot any rifle and understand the basics of it, going to an AR is no problem.

Building one does take some skill in following directions and understanding what to research making the decision on what exactly you want the rifle to do.

But that can be had from a number of sources though there are some who probably should not take it up. If you have Mechanical Aptitude I do not seeing it being a problem in the least.

The one thing you absolutely need to be sure of and understand is the use of Go/No Go chamber gauges. Beyond that it's a grown up Erector Set.

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5 years 20 weeks ago, 5:23 PM

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heh

I used to be in the army, so familiarity with the rifle is no problem :). just messed with issued rifles, never personally owned one. while I was in all I cared about was keeping it clean and keeping it zeroed in and grouped. never really paid attention to seperate lowers/uppers. except the ones that i stripped and cleaned.

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5 years 18 weeks ago, 7:24 AM

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I bought one of the SIG 556's about 3 years ago. I think it is a pretty good gun, although I would like to change the stock composite rail to aluminum. I've probably fired 1000+ rounds through it without an issue so far.

Lately, I've been looking to add a FN SCAR 17 to my collection. Any opinions on that?

5 years 18 weeks ago, 9:55 AM

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Actually yeah

The FN SCAR is over priced you would be better served to buy a seriously high end AR and take the money left over and buy ammo for it....

Adding rails to your 556 is not a problem there are a couple of after market sets and you can also buy the Swat rails and the Marksman rails from Sig.

I take it you have either the Patrol or the Classic?

Personally I like the plastic because I can shoot as many rounds out of the Patrol and it never gets hot enough to notice. Though I would like a 550 if I had the money..

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na, I think you're more of a Gonzo

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building a ar is not for me buying one and shooting it and cleaning it is better as no time to build as I get the comp behind it.would like a 308 in AR lot of them out there but not soon as FLorida hunting dose not take a 308 and my sks works fine or did last time many moons ago lol.Always cleaned and shot but not built. TY

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5 years 18 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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Very true!

SKS should work on just about everything out in what we call woods down here. I've seen guys using 30.06 to hunt the little things called Deer in Florida, dunno why.... Hell you could use a 22 magnum as they are just a little larger than a Coyote unless you get up closer to Georgia.

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hot_diggity87 wrote:
I'm sure the question has been raised before, and i apologize if it annoys some of you and/or all for that matter. Thing is, I'm a busy dude. Tons of work and lots of other stuff I have to get done. So I dont have a lot of time to be searching through threads and posts.

I'm looking for a cheap yet reliable 5.56. I was looking at the Sig 556, I can get one for 1200 bucks + taxes and all that jazz. however I'm partial to the M16A2, M16A4, and M4. I've fired them all. As far as manufacturer goes however, I'm not sure where to start. I know of Bushmaster, but thats about it. I'm looking for something around the $800.oo range. but If anyone suggests and recommends the Sig 556, then I'll save up the extra 400-600... while we're at it, Also curious as to if there are any 9mm smg's out there like the HK MP5... only cheaper but still reliable haha. keeping options open.

Thanks all to who reply.

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for around $800 you can find the usual Bushmaster/DPMS, RRA, Stag, S&W etc... the list goes on. Most of those will be fine for the range and home defense, but they will mostly all use consumer grade parts. If you're on a budget and want mil spec parts, look into BCM (Bravo Company) and Spikes. You can get a Spikes for a little over $800. BCM puts out really quality stuff but may run slightly more. Their mid length gas is really smooth. If you search enough, you may be able to find a colt not too far from your budget. If you decide to save up the extra 400-600, the doors are wide open.

http://www.gunslot.com/forum/who-makes-highest-quality-ar#comment-168852

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i dont know how much money u got to spend but if u want quality then buy a semi-automatic M16A2 it has an effective range for 550m it might be the thing u want but also if u want smth smaller then check out HK MP5 these are my two recommendations

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I would love to have an HK MP5 but those things are rediculous in price and its a 9mm smg, as for the M16A2, ive shot em alot, was in the army which made me love 5.56's haha. seems prices here in michigan are rediculous for guns of any type. my kel-tec pf9 cost me about 350, my used hk USP .40 which i just found out was manufactured in 2000, came with 3 mags and i paid about 850 for that. then they got bushmaster ar's in 5.56 starting at 1600, eh, might try my luck with the sig556 or the smith & wesson sometime soon. and out of curiosity, im not hating on .308's just curious why people are wanting them over the 5.56's? my reason for a 5.56 is in case this SHTF country wide, 5.56 ammo is gonna be all over haha

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both are NATO rounds so they should be available. 5.56 my be slightly easier to come across, but you'll still be able to get .308. I myself would ideally bring one of each in a SHTF scenerio. The .308 has better stopping power, longer range and can bring a much larger variety of game if you're harvesting your own food. The only pros I see 5.56 having is that its lighter and you'll have slightly higher mag cap which really isn't an issue unless you're in combat.

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i agree

i agree havin both would be best, hopefully money and time will permit me to get both. would be nice to find cheap and effective ones however, but then again i dont wanna waste my money on something that could be shit. got a pair of glasses to pay for this paycheck, then its savings time again :) thanks for the help all

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I have a Colt AR-15(A1) type, purchased in 1978. I believe that the forward take-down pin is threaded. Can I put a modern UPPER on this rifle without complications??
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Obviously, any question concerning safe function of a firearm shoud be addressed to a qualified gunsmith, but in the interest of discussion, I don't see how it would hurt anything. I didn't know takedown pins were ever threaded. Even if it is, worst case I can see is replacing the pin.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 1:30 AM

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a threaded takedown pin, who is the manufacturer?

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:30 AM

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Dammit, LBC

Read the post. He said Colt. Just messin' w/ you. How you doing?
I don't think it was threaded. It wouldn't make any sense to thread a takedown pin. Unless someone added this to make it Commiefornia compliant. I haven't heard of that myself, but nothing they do in the people's republic of Cali makes sense.
"These assault weapons have takedown pins, that must mean it's easy to convert it to a rocket launcher." That's probably what they were thinking.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 6:28 PM

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Hey semperfi

I don't know if this is a one and done post, but if not, I'd love to see a pic of that if you wouldn't mind. I can't say I'd be able to help, but I'd like to see it for personal knowledge.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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Another pm for ya. AR takedown screw, vs pin.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:14 PM

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I got it.

That's cool. You learn something new everyday.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 10:25 AM

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AR's

I have a Bushmaster heavy barrel (A2) and a Stag Arms Mod 1(M4). Both work just fine.

A friend of mine has the Sig M400 Enhanced and loves it.

Another friend of mine just bought a Windham Arms M4 rifle from a WalMart in Prattville AL for $847. The owner of Windham Arms used too own Bushmaster. He was dissatisfied with how Freedom Arms treated his old employees and opened Windham Arms in the old Factory that used to build bushmasters.

You can't go wrong with either of these. The Stag Arms I bought from One Source Tactical. It came with a carrying case and 11 mags for around $1300. I am very happy with the treatment I received there.

Your mileage may vary. Get the best deal you can and buy lots of ammo.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:47 PM

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POF arms

was on base this AM and they had this brand of AR 7.62 wondering if their any good? price was $2500.00........................

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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pof has a good reputation as far as I've heard,but you can probably find something cheaper of equal quality for less, MSRP is aprox 3k for pof semi autos.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:47 PM

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colt AR 7.62 =308

base ordered for my last year still not here lol,but colt has ads in mags showing new colors for it..so just paying off star card then well pick it up when it comes in lol...............

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