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4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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best elk rifle?

In our familys collection we have:
.300 winchester magnum bolt action
.300 winchester mini-mag bolt action
.308 winchester semi-auto
7.65 arg mauser (x2) both bolt action
.45-70 lever action single shot
20 gauge pump (slug)
12 gauge pump (slug)
8mm muaser bolt action

and a couple other I cannot remember atm. What would you say is the best for elk?

4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:48 AM

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my vote

.300WM

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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thanks reap

the .300 is the one my grandpa uses. He usually takes the .45-70 as a backup but we're going to a different unit where the shots well be a little longer range. 2nd best? lol

4 years 30 weeks ago, 11:16 AM

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the real answer is what ever you feel the most comfortable shooting. A lot of those rifles will do the trick. It really depends on the range and your capability. The .300 WM does have a little recoil, so I would make sure your comfortable shooting it before you head out. I was just saying that if I personally had to choose a caliber, it would be .300WM.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 1:23 PM

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Those are tried and true, and be it the past 10 years or past 100 years more deer, and elk have been taken with those cartridges across this Nation and Hemisphere than any other..

So an extension of that is which of those has the closest ballistics to the 30.06.. Obviously all of them would work but guessing the 300 WM is at the high end, always a good idea for large game with the exception of the increased recoil Reap mentioned.. I would grab one of those Argentine Mausers.. thats the 1909 model, and yes its a 7.65X53.. and considered by serious target shooters to be the final and best of Paul Mauser's rifles.. I don't know what load your using but know Norma factory loads have one thats a 180 grain bullet at like 2,600 fps if i remember.. (i dont use wikiwhatever this is from a conversation with a member who had one and did target shooting) .. There ya go.. enjoy..

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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Best elk rifle

Any of the ones you mention will work. Like Reaper said, it depends on the range and how well you can shoot them.
The 8x57 Mauser is very close to a .30-06, and will work just about as well.
If the range is fairly long - stalk closer. I don't mean to be insulting, but this is really the answer.
Elk aren't the same as Cape Buffalo. A .270 Winchester works great (remember the great gun writer Jack O'Connor?). A .257 Roberts works well, and was what my wife's uncle Walt Drorbaugh used every year along the Mogollon Rim in Arizona. He got an elk every year. Just get in range.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 5:12 AM

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best for elk

Yes most of them are great,BUT witch one do you shot best with and can HIKE a long way with? The shot gun cal I would leave out my self as you will need to be closer to them.You can also look in to some 50 cal rifles that are not that heavy.Plus if any of the rifles are older (many years) have a gun smith check them out to make sure they are shoot proof. Great luck on the hunt wish I was coming with you lol.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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Leave out the Shotguns, anything you mentioned there is OK, but like everyone else has told you, Which one are you most comfortable with, shoot the best & know the best (inside out, upside down & backwards at any range) ????? That's the best deciding factor I can give you.
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4 years 30 weeks ago, 3:45 PM

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We will be shooting at around 200-250 yards. I am most familiar with my 7,65x53 argentine mauser. We just buy boxes of norma rounds from bi-mart. I'm not sure what the model number is, My gpa bought 2 of them at a gun show for like 75 bucks for the pair.

4 years 30 weeks ago, 4:45 PM

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I'm not the rifle guy that others are.. but after a life time of shooting, and pretty much just loving guns.. I can tell you that those old Mauser's can shoot a lot better than anyone can hold them.. The 1909 Mauser is one of those rifles that that the "old school" target crowd would talk about.. you shoot the 150 or 180 gr round? I would suggest you get REAL comfortable with what ever your shooting at that distants before you take a chance on an Elk.. It will haunt you your whole life if you don't have a clean kill.. Best of luck

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 10:37 AM

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Probobly 180 grain, but I havent shot it since I was 12, then I didnt know what the hell it was I just knew it was a gun and it was mine. and This year, I'm not technically hunting, its an innitiation(spelling?) thing. I gotta do all the hard work this year then next year I get to carry a rifle. Ittl still be a blast though.

4 years 30 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Argentine Mauser

I'm not familiar with the round and its capabilities, but a .30 caliber in a 53 mm case ought to be fine for elk. It comes down to bullet placement.
Your grandpa must have bought those guns "back in the day", when one could pick up great milsurps for great prices. I think he did a good thing, and made a great buy.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 9:35 AM

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Well, with your estimated yardage now given I have to update my response to you. Greg & ecaman are telling you right. At those ranges I would be shooting my 7mm Mag or 300 mag a whole lot.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 9:50 AM

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you are probably in bear country also ?
elgoo be careful out there

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 10:38 AM

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yeah, we have black bear here in oregon, I'm carrying a .41 magnum stubby in case I lose whoever I'm with.

4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:03 AM

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Excellent point CW,

I would also have a 12ga full of slugs along just in case.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:45 AM

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CharlesW, "U" are right, about the Elk and Bear. Lived in Southern Colorado for 36 years. My Father-in-Law ran cattle in the hi-country every summer. One particular year he was bothered with bear. Lost 5 cows that summer. A brother-in-law and his son went up to deal with the bear. He had a 7MM Mag. The son used his 30-06, both (shit) shot when the bear stood on its hind legs. (I just looked up to read what i was Typing, and seen the shit part!! but left it in anyway : ) He said they hit the bear in the chest!! Then waited for an hour to track the bear!! So if you want to belive this, you can. But I only belive part, cause he is such a damn lier!!!!!!
But, Yes Bare and Elk share the same back yards.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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wear a 44mag for close quarter
protection is where I was going
with this.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 11:08 AM

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and how is The Gene Autry State ?

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 12:11 PM

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CharlesW, Do'n fine, Sir!! One thing I missed was. Back in the day, before all the neat modern rifles, there was the Winchester Lever action 30-30!!! Lots of large game has been taken with this round. Another difference in our Fathers, Grand and Great Grand Fathers was, they knew where to shoot !! This rifle was the perfect 100 yard or closer rifle. Most shots are made at this distance, in the mountains.
Bullet placement again!! For Game or Thugs.
And a large cal. hand gun is a great compliment to pack.
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4 years 30 weeks ago, 12:21 PM

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.44 Mag.

Mount a scope on that .44 Mag. Leave the rifle home. Too damn much weight!!!!! to pack.
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4 years 30 weeks ago, 12:27 PM

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opposite your canteen and you
don't walk so funny

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 12:57 PM

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Greg Az. says Hunting rule of thumb.. Deer 30-30 / Elk 30.06
Gotta agre. The .270 is also a good choice. The new bullets now days are excellant.
Where I have hunted, the clearings may have been 100 yds. long. Biggest part of the time was spent in the tember. Maby a 50 yrd. shot. I don't know where you will hunt. But do some shooting @ different distances, make mental note of theise. Know where the bullet strikes at these ranges. Shooting Scope or Iron Sights??
Or just do like all the real hunters do, shoot the rifle a few times then when you pull down on your target. Ask your self should I give it a half of a quakie or short of a quakie. (quakie) is the knickname of the Quaking Aspin Tree!!
These trees come in all different diameters, hights, so pick one, and shoot!!!! Hope this HELPED!! : )
Take a .30 cal you'll be fine.
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I godda question????
What'Z a "backup gun"?????

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 12:59 PM

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I know my balls hang too low. : )

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 7:11 AM

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I know back in the day all the old timers talked about were the 30.06 for the big game. Seems like not much has changed here.

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4 years 23 weeks ago, 1:19 AM

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Big firepower

Hmm well my grandfather used to use a .300 H&H and a .375 H&H a lot, which I believe are somewhat similar to the .30-06? The .300 was his favorite gun he ever owned, and it had more than enough power to take down anything he might run into.

4 years 23 weeks ago, 1:27 AM

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I'm going to have to look that up

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4 years 23 weeks ago, 1:31 AM

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Holland and Holland

Oh hell yeah-- from what I recall the .375 was based on a belted .30-06

That's why the old man liked it: ballistic similarities with the guns he was accustomed to. It just hit harder.

4 years 23 weeks ago, 1:38 AM

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Durango I looked it up

A 270 grain .375H&H has the same trajectory as a 180
grain 30-06 with a lot heavier bullet. A 300 grain is
above the 30-06.
If I was going for a bear I would rather the .375 H&H
or a long shot on a mule dear for sure

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4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:35 AM

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Yeah

Haha yeah, they're pretty nasty. I usually stick with my Mauser or Mosin-Nagant, though. I mean, I can grab anything out of the old man's arsenal I want (he's pretty much a father-figure to me, we're really close), but I like what I have pretty well.

The one gun he has that I'm a little jealous of is an old Remington Automaster. It was the predecessor to the Wing Master, and there weren't too many of them made. They aren't collectible, though; but I just like the feel of the gun and the fact that it generates very mild recoil. I just wish I could find some more parts for it.

4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:46 AM

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But you would never be able to find them

22 sa convertable for small game
22 simi auto rifle
I like the 22 because you could carry a large
amount of ammo and a 22 is underrated if
shots are well placed.

20 ga Mossy 500 pump
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20 ga single shot with 270 tube
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My dream gun would be to find a
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4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:48 AM

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Hmm seems like I've seen them come up for sale on a couple of web sites. Way out of my price range though. I'm having to pay for school, so it's hard to justify big gun expenditures when I already have stuff I'm satisfied with and that covers all my basic needs.

4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:51 AM

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I'm disabled and on fixed income

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4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:52 AM

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M1 Garand

I know from experience the M1 is a fine weapon to have
30-06 and almost indestructible

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I'm also having to buy a bunch of gear for SG, and it's eating into my budget like crazy. Camel-Baks and stuff aren't cheap, after all.

It's good to have stuff you're satisfied with... and it's good to be satisfied with the stuff you have, I think. My stuff isn't fancy, but it's rugged, and that suits me just fine.

4 years 23 weeks ago, 2:56 AM

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Is the gun you can hit the target with

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Yeah, no kiddin'

Well... free is pretty good too :D

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