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5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:44 AM

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I've never owned a gun, and know next to nothing about them. I live in California, so there are stricter gun laws here. I guess I need advice on a few matters:

1) Would a shotgun be best for me for home defense?
2) Any recommendations on make/model?
3) This is my thorniest issue: I have a 6 month old granddaughter who is at my home almost daily. Down the road I worry about her safety. This is probably a dumb question, but if I put the gun under lock and key or store it separate from the ammunition, what good is it if I need to use it in a hurry?

All advice greatly appreciated!

5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:11 AM

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a 20 gauge pump shotgun. The racking of the slide is very intimidating. Then they are easier to hit people with due tothe spread of the pellets. You also dont have to worry about the pellets killing your neighbors.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:29 AM

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Shotgun would be best.

Shotgun would be best. Depending on your physical abilities, either a 20 or 12 gauge. A Remington 1100 automatic with a shorter barrel would help save time if you have it under lock and key. It can already be loaded. Trying to get to a shotgun, unlock it and then go get the shells and load it. Going to a range and trying out different models is best. Finding a lock that can be opened fast is also tough. Good Luck and be careful. What part of Calif do you live in? I don't want your address, just aprox.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 9:13 AM

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12 gauge

a 12 is the most versatile, depending on load. try several, i think the sellier and bellot 2 and 3 quarters 00 buck are more comfortable to shoot then some others i have tried. if you have a closet, you can hang the gun inside, over the door. loaded with an empty chamber. it's usually not visible unless you are in the closet. every bad guy knows what a slide being jacked sounds like. i like mossbergs partly because the safety is in a good location. a light mount is also a good idea. talk to the guys at the local gunshop. the gun industry all the way around is top shelf for customer service. you should be commended for taking a proactive role in your personal safety. not all people do. i wish you the best

5 years 21 weeks ago, 9:45 AM

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The best home defense gun is the gun she can shoot best.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 10:23 AM

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I also think a 12 ga. pump shotgun such as a Mossberg 500 Cruiser will be very easy to learn how to use and aim at your target in close quarters.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 12:40 PM

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Thanks for the advice

I do think a shotgun sounds best for the intimidation factor and probably not having to be such an accurate shot. BTW, Mike, I live in the Central Valley, between Modesto and Madera. My home has FIVE entrances, if you can believe that, so it could be broken into at night and I might not hear it right away. That's why the concern that the gun be kept loaded and very near me. How do others handle this problem of keeping a loaded firearm close by, but still protecting children? My ex says I don't even have to load it - that the sound of the shotgun racking will be enough to send someone running, but I figure why buy a gun if you aren't prepared to use it??

5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:24 PM

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You have to assume the worst in a break in situation, it's part of being prepared. I would assume the "bad guy(s)" have watched your house and know your habits. This means they know if there is a man in the house and when he might be there. This type of activity is usually associated with an upper scale neighborhood, the bandits see nice stuff everywhere and they would rather steal it than buy it. I know this sounds bizarre but when I buy something such as a TV, computer, rifle, handgun, I will hide the label or even wait until it's dark to bring the item into the house. The sound of the bolt closing is intimidating, assuming the bandit can hear it from where you are. You REALLY need to go to a range probably once a month for awhile, or out to the desert. I like desert best because you can be with someone who will teach you every aspect of handling the shotgun. Teach you how to "instinctive shoot", this is when you point from the hip, and not try to aim with sights. The other thing is, you can't be afraid to pull the trigger. You have to know what is going to happen when you do and not be afraid to pull the trigger again. You should also know what the shotgun is going to sound like without ear protection. I'm not advising you to shoot all the time without ear plugs. Once in awhile shoot just one round without plugs. The sound is very loud, and you will tend to not be scared if you know what it is going to sound like. You have to remember, the bad guys don't want to be found, if you see them, they will more than likely try to keep you from telling someone else. For personal security the gun should be loaded and safe.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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women home defense

A Remington 870 tactical with pistol grips or a mossberg maverick with same would probably be best for your situation.As for your grand daughter, load it and put it in the top of a closet to keep it out of her reach. 5 entrances sounds like an alarm?

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 4:21 PM

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a misconception

is that everyone will take off running when they hear a shotgun get racked. watch out, some people may start shooting at that sound. I don't recommend racking an unloaded firearm for the intimidation factor.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 9:06 AM

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Agreed

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is that everyone will take off running when they hear a shotgun get racked. watch out, some people may start shooting at that sound. I don't recommend racking an unloaded firearm for the intimidation factor.

I agree. You should never confront a suspect or intruder without ammo. I should have thrown the comment about it being loaded in there.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:08 PM

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radardeb

another thing you could do, is get an alarm system put in your house, put the sign up on the front lawn, then take a gun class or two and have an expert show you a few weapons of choice, then decide.Don't let your grand daughter in the room you keep your weapon and put a easy access lock on your weapon when you are not by the weapon.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:05 PM

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Go out and rent some

different firearms. Try a revolver, semi-auto, and shotgun. Get what works best for you. I would also recomend taking some sort of training classes, to get to know guns and there action, recoils, etc. Never rely on an unloaded firearm to scare someone away.... it's useless if it doesn't go bang! Gun Vault makes a small affordable safe that can be opened in seconds. I have next to the bed, and completly trust it to keep my 3 year old out. Good luck in finding something that will work for you!

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:41 PM

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My in put on this is a 9mm preferably 1 that fits your hand usage.recomendation take a gun course that way you can try out diffrent calibers and makes.shotgun or rifle you have to pull it up an down for usage such as walls or corners

5 years 21 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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There are some small carbines which would be great. The kel tec sub 2000 is a foldable rifle which can be concealed until you need it. simply unfold it lock and load.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 12:02 AM

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Shotgun

You don't need a "tactical" anything to defend your home. And as Reaper said, don't rely on the sound of a shotgun to decide the fight. Unload and lock your gun away before you leave for the day, load the gun when you are at home. I recommend a 12 ga pump shotgun, Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Load it with 2 3/4" #6 or #7 1/2 shot. Pistol grips are not necessary with these light-kicking loads. If your granddaughter is at your home almost daily, you have to assume she will, at some point, find the gun when you are not around. When she gets old enough to understand you, introduce her to it. Kids are in love with that which is forbidden or mysterious, so make it something she understands. If you look up a device called a gun jacket, you can leave the gun loaded but unusable to all but determined individuals with tools. The fact is that you will have to strike a balance between readiness and safety with your granddaughter.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 5:06 PM

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get a husband lol, i would recommend a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun using reduced recoil(so its easier to easily put in a 2nd shot accurately)

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:05 PM

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'Get a husband with a gun.' OK, sorry! As for the safety issue, there are some pretty cool fast-access safes you can get to secure a handgun that can be mounted in a normal wall. Cut a hole in the wallboard using the template, insert safe, and you don't even have to trim out the cut. The safe's edge does it for you. They open by fingerprint or a simple touch code. This would keep the firearm safe from your granddaughter, but solve the other issues you talked about by being readily available.

Here's an example: http://www.gunsafes.com/BioVault-2-0-Black.html

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 10:50 PM

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I must admit that I am primarily a handgun guy. I have shotguns. I love them. I use them mostly for bird hunting, sometimes rabbit, and other small game. They are great. They are a fabulous close range weapon, but still, I don't think they are the best for you. It is hard for individuals without prior training or practice to move around the house with a shotgun. It can be grabed away from you when going around corners or through doorways. It is probably not going to be with you or stored in a convenient location. IMO, a handgun is far more practical. I suggest a revolver or an auto that you like. So, you should handle the different types available. There is a guy that can fit your pistol with a device that makes the pistol unable to be fired unless the user is wearing a special ring. I saw it in a popular gun mag. The author was fitting a .357 model 19 with it for his daughter. I can not think of a better way to meet your needs. If you like, I will look up the name for you.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 11:49 PM

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The argument of a shotgun being too big to move around your house is a ridiculous argument. I have received extensive training in MOUT (Urban Operations) over the last thirteen years in the army, and I have put it to use in Iraq. Having said that, I would not clear my own house unless I had absolutely no choice in the matter, regardless of how compact or tacticool my gun was. It is a dangerous, stressful event. As much as we want to think we are Delta Force/Seal cool guys who can take over the world by putting two to the chest, one to the head with our tricked out 1911s, We bleed and die just like everyone else. I will admit that I have armed myself and investigated bumps in the night, but to suggest that a novice who doesn't even know what kind of gun to buy should try it is setting her up for failure. Stick with the shotgun, have a cell phone, and have a spare set of house keys with a Chem-light tied to them that you can throw out your saferoom window for the cops. As for the idea of a gun ring safety device, holy shit. You have fun with that.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 1:09 AM

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agree w runaway

about clearing the house unless its a necessity. if you are safe, sit and wait, but stay ready. defense vs. offense, you want to be on the defense if you should have to go to court.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 12:11 AM

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besides the monster stopping power, my maverick 88 shotgun costs less than my handguns, because after i "neutralize" a perp, that cops have to take the gun.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 7:13 PM

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Well, no slight to you, but she is not in the army. She has no training which I mentioned above. She is not clearing houses. She is not on a swat team. She is by herself, most likely being awakened in the middle of the night. Most likely they will already be in the house. Often, there is more than one. She will most likely not know where they are. She shouldn't look for them either. She should stay put, call the police, and arm herself. I have no idea how people clear rooms by themselves. You would be easily killed in many situations. I am certain that a shotgun can be an extremely effective weapon. But all weapons have limitations, or in the shotguns case, individuals have limitations. If the bad guy grabs the barrel as she walks by, or through a doorway, she is done. Racking the slide just lets them know where you are. You still don't know where they are. In many cases, you are not even sure there is any real danger. You just heard something...anyway, you can tell her whatever you want. But a high quality handgun and an aggressive dog is her best bet.

Oh, and the gentleman that was getting the combat magnum fitted with the ring device was Massad Ayoob. His daughter was pregnant at the time, and he wanted her to have a defensive weapon always available but still safe with a little one around. Sounds exactly like what the lady above is seeking. But, I guess Massad wouldn't know much about defensive weapons huh?

5 years 21 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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Rem 870

I hear from alot of people around here that it would make a good home defense weapon. It comes in 12 or 20 gauge. Let us know what ya get.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:33 PM

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My choice would be....

For a 1st defensive gun, for me it would be something along the lines of 12 gauge (if you can handle the recoil) with handled stock (kind of like pistol grip but also has full stock, for shooting around a corner if need be)
http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/FirearmsPage/Mossberg-500-Tactical-0...
I like the cheapo mossbergs 500's, they hold 8 rounds, pump, for intimidation factor and even if you have to shoot it and miss, that sombich is gonna think about what he just heard for a minute lol. I cannot stress enough the importance of a defensive firearms coarse of some sorts, especially being a resident of California, and all the legalities of defensive shootings.
I wouldnt choose a pistol for the reason of friendly fire casualties. I would hate to hear that story, "I accidentally shot my grand daughter when I shot at, and missed the rapest who broke in my house", as sad as it would make all of us, it doesnt make the fight for gun rights any easier either. Those little pellets dont penetrate anywhere near the distance of most defensive pistols.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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I have to disagree

Most people I know that have shotguns for home defense keep them loaded with 00 buck. Have you ever shot anything with 00, it rips shit in half. If I had to make a choice at getting shot with a 9mm or a 12 ga, with 00 buck, I choose the 9mm. So for the accidentally shooting someone and not have to worry because those little pellets do not penetrate, hog wash.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 9:21 PM

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I was obviously referring to birdshot in which there is no comparison

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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You are obviously confused. You just made comments about how she is not military, swat, etc and should not be clearing her own house, but then talked about how a bad guy may grab the barrel as she walks by. Why would she be walking anywhere in her house? My whole point is that she should get a shotgun, have the cell phone and a spare set of keys in her room. If an intruder enters her house, she stays in her bedroom, watches the door with the gun, and calls the police. What part of this is confusing?

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 12:27 AM

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Well, it should be quite obvious why. Her granddaughter may be with her and not sleeping in the same room. She may acually want to check on her when she hears something strange. I can just see her coming down the hall with a shotgun because she heard a noise and it turns out to be her granddaughter getting a drink of water or her cat knocking over a plant. I also doubt that she will call the police and toss her keys out the window every time she hears a strange noise. She will no doubt investigate some noises like everyone does. I further doubt that she will break out the shotgun each time she does so. If she leaves the gun unloaded or unchambered, she will have to load or unload each time she checks on a noise. That will get old and she will not do it anymore. Someone breaking in, typically does not sound like they are breaking in, especially, during a burgulary. Go figure. They know you are home. They are trying to be as quiet as possible. They usually move quietly through the house as well. If they make a noise, they usually don't make another. She can listen to your sage advice, buy a 12 qauge shotgun. eventually leave it unloaded in a closet. And never have any use for it again. That is fine. I may be able to buy it on Gun Broker in a couple of months. I can always use another one.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 1:12 AM

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Or she can listen to yours and buy a handgun which is much harder to get proficient with and much less powerful. And of course it's much harder to disarm a woman walking through her house with a pistol, right? And why are you still on this "unloaded" thing? At what point did I say to leave a gun unloaded?

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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I don't want to give you the wrong idea. I think a shotgun is a better weapon in general. But not for the lady above. I think it does not take much more than a few days of practice to hit someone at 7 to 10 feet away with a pistol. Really, it doesn't. I think it will be easier for her to practice with her pistol. There are pistol ranges everywhere, and instructors to boot. I think a pistol like a glock is easier to shoot than a shotgun for many people. I mean you just point the pistol and pull the trigger. At self defense ranges, I can not believe that people can't learn to handle a pistol in a few lessons. I certainly have seen them do so. I think a pistol has higher utility function for most people. For example, If she gets her carry permit, she can also take her pistol with her when she leaves the house. She can carry her pistol in the car. She can take her pistol into the bathroom with her. She can carry it around on her person all the time. It will be there should the need arise. I think shotguns are fantastic weapons and hunting instruments, and perhaps she can get one later for a more powerful option. But her 1st gun should be something like a glock 17 or a 4 or 5 inch revolver in an appropriate caliber such as the 9mm, 38, 327, or 357. And she should go to one of the training facilities in her area to become proficient in the handling of her firearm. And because protecting her grandchild from possible harm is very important to her, she should check out the safety device that Massad had installed on his daughters pistol..

5 years 21 weeks ago, 11:40 PM

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Her question was what is the best home defense weapon. Home defense, not concealed carry, not utility gun, but home defense. Home defense for almost anyone with an IQ over 12 means stationary defense unless it is absolutley necessary to move. A pistol is a terrible weapon to rely on as a primary gun, especially for a novice. Pistols are more difficult to attain an acceptable level of proficiency with. A pistol is not nearly as effective at killing an intruder as a shotgun. As for the ring idea, I respect the advice of Massad Ayoob, but for the purpose of home defense, a ring is a stupid idea. I can see the applications for someone in a delicate physical condition when he/she is out and about, but I think even Mr Ayoob would agree with the shotgun over the pistol for home defense. I kow nearly everyone else but you does. As for radardeb, sorry if this exchange has turned you off this topic, but I take this seriously and will get into a "pissing contest" with anyone who I think is leading a novice astray.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 12:44 AM

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I appreciate that you want to give people the right advice. That is important. It is also important that they hear different points of veiw. I simply do not believe that a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense for many people. Some are highly sensitive to recoil and a host of other reasons. It is certainly viable, but I do not believe it is the best. I wonder, do all of you out there really use a shot gun as your home defense weapon of choice? I have an AR that sits at the ready for that, but I have used them for over 20 years. Mine shares duty with my pistols which are with me at all times. I am done beating this horse. My opinion stands as stated above, but I enjoyed the conversation, and I sincerely appreciate your conviction concerning this issue.

5 years 21 weeks ago, 1:20 AM

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My home defense gun

Is a Bushmaster M4 with Aimpoint Compm3. I have an aid bag, body armor for myself and my wife (I'm actually working on making a vest for my 16 month old out of some spare armor panels and a pillowcase), and a Blackhawk chest mag pouch with 12 loaded mags and a can of OC spray. I personally hate shotguns, as anything I can do with a shotgun, I can do better with an M4.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 2:34 AM

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Total agreement

Now, that is serious. And, we have achieved total agreement. I knew you were someone I could get along with. Take care.

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Best gun for girls

Hi,
Personally i don't believe that shot gun is good. Walther P22 and Glock 17 is good and you can check out this article where you can find the best gun for the girls and women.
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