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4 years 29 weeks ago, 10:49 PM

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I just got done watching Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show on the Bilderbergs. I realize it's dramatized showbiz, but it really got my wheels turning. I have heard of the "B's" before (google them if you haven't), but not to the NWO extent that the show went into. Basically depopulation by means of one world govt weakening immune systems by chemicals in food and vaccines. Survivers would be sterile from the chemicals/illnesses caused. Their objective would be to reduce the world's population to roughly 500,000,000 which is a sustainable number for our planet to survive. They would create a pandemic (like the swine flu) and a vaccine. From the weakend immune systems much of the worlds population would perish, many survivers would be unable to reproduce. Martial Law would follow. Supposedly, aspartame and other harmful chemicals are being added to baby food already. We already know that they are adding fluoride to our drinking water to PREVENT TOOTH DECAY! (or make you sterile, but whos to say that they're just not concerned about our pearly whites)It really makes you think.

Did anyone happen to see this episode? What do you think? Kind of gives the fema coffins and camps a purpose.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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titled "Rule by Secrecy" which went into great detail about all the shadowy figures throughout history - the families who actually controlled or still do control many of the events that shaped the world through wealth and power. Among some mentioned were the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, etc. And mostly families of great wealth and power who actually avoid fame and rather choose to remain virtually unknown to the masses. Of course in this day and age that is becoming more difficult for them to do. Then again, what can it matter after all since by now they have become so powerful and the masses so complacent? I wish I knew where I put that book.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 12:12 AM

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I didnt see the episode you are talking about yet(have it on TIVO)but I have watched the one about 9/11.Jesse Ventura definitely asks the right questions and then brings alot of unknown info to the table.very interesting show.watch it and Glenn Beck and i think a fella would have a good idea of whats going on right under our noses...

4 years 29 weeks ago, 7:35 AM

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nothing that he has produced is "new". He offers it as something startlingly new, when in reality the Bilderberg group, New World Order [NWO]global government, fluoridation/prescription drug methods of getting an insidious 90% reduction of population from 6 billion to 500 million, and like type information has been "out there" for many years.
There is also the theory that the NWO hierarchy is orchestrating wars and potential wars, to speed up population reduction. Consider that, as you think about whether we are headed toward a second revolutionary war in the USA.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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They tend to say exactly the same things. There's a vast conspiracy involving the New World Order, The Bilderberger Group, the Illuminati, the Masonic Order, the Trilateral Commission, and, of course, Bohemian Grove where grown men pee in the woods. The extreme Far Left and the extreme Far Right say exactly the same thing. the only difference is that the right has more ammo (I think!) Then we throw in the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, chemtrails, flouride, AIDS as a CIA invention, and then...UFOs!

Yep! UFOs! In "UFOs and the National Security State" by Richard Dolan, now in two volumes, Dolan outlines how ALL of this was percipitated by the crashed saucer at Roswell, New Mexico, when the government, in an attempt to keep this all under wraps, initiated the CIA and compartmentalized intelligence to hide the presence of UFOs from the public. He even claims the National Enquirer tabloid was started with a CIA slush fund specifically to create UFO disinformation and keep the UFO field marginalized.

In Conspiracy Theory, absence of evidence is itself evidence, so you can't ever disprove it. Better yet, anyone can make one up so you can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. The thing is, most of us distrust authority of any kind. If the government makes a claim, it's a lie. If medical science tells you to get a flu shot, it's a lie. If a politician opens his mouth, it's certainly a lie.

But someone speaks of a conspiracy? Oh yeah, THAT must be true. Conspiracies feed off our fears and give some structure to areas of our lives we simply know nothing about. We are skeptical about everything except conspiracies when it is conspiracies we should be most skeptical about. The biggest problem we've got, IMO, is the leftist surge to take over our country. That is real and you don't need a conspiracy to see the reality of it. It's above board. Succumbing to one conspiracy after another is counter-productive and saps energy away from areas where we could do some good. So next time you hear a conspiracy theory, just remember,

It all started with UFOs.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 11:43 AM

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schuyler, Great post!

I've been barracaded and heavily armed inside my house, holding my g-kid's pet hampster hostage for 3 days and no one has noticed.
I guess FEMA is not coming for me afterall :<) Back to watching Spongebob Squarepants and doing the Gunslot thing !!

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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I don't NOT believe in them, if that makes you think I'm gullible and discredits my opinions then so be it. Many people need absolute proof that something exists before they'll even consider it. I like to see proof, but also look for proof that something doesn't exist. I think its pretty close minded "in the box" thinking to believe that out of TRILLIONS of planets (estimated 100B planets in our galaxy and approx. 100B galaxies in our universe), that ours is the only one that can sustain lifeform - see SETI drake equation . Who's to say other civilations aren't further advanced in physics, science and technology than ours allowing them superluminal travel.... Or, our own species from the future trying to contact us transporting in Doc's Delorean or Bill and Ted's phone booth. Who knows. I don't discredit anything, unless snake says it. Let the shit storm begin!

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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I agree, Reaper

And the UFOs are waiting for the Illuminati (Led, of course, by a committee made up of JFK, Elvis, Sammy Hagar, Tupac, and Snoopy) to tell them when to show themselves to the world. This of course will cause mass suicides by religious people all over the world, as they will feel their entire lives of thinking we are God's only chosen planet has been a lie and is not worth continuing. It'll be Jonestown on a global scale. And can anybody tell me who the Jim Jones father figure to lead us to this cataclysmic event is going to be? No snakey-poo, not MarvQuin. That's two guys. The leader is, SARAH BRADY!!!! Hah hah hah, she shot her own husband and has been plotting this for centuries. Now I must go take the battery out of my cell phone and switch heads with the neighbor so they can't track me.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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I have about 300 books on UFOs, but that's not our subject here. Saying you don't 'believe' in UFOs is like saying you don't believe in cars. There definitely are UFOs--the question is: What are they and where are they from? Your imagination? Hey, that's a valid theory.

My point was more to show the extent of conspiracy theory and the kind of whackiness it brings to the discussion. The Dolan books are real and I have PLENTY of problems with his pseudo-historical analysis and how he weaves UFOs into his more typical NWO, Bilderberger conspiracy schtick. In fact, I have a review going that when it is published is going to piss him off so bad he will consider me a mortal enemy for life. I think conspiracy theories are largely hogwash, but, like all Big Lies, have a germ of truth to them--which is how disinformation is done. The point (if I have one at all) is that when we let conspiracy theory drive our real-world decisions, I think we have a problem. It's one thing to be prepared for yourself and your family--and quite another to lock yourself in a compound, point guns out the windows, and wonder why the Feds are interested.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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it's an easier thing to say and write than 'intelligent alien life visiting our planet'. Sure, at night if I see lights and can't tell what type of aircraft it is, that is technically a UFO as it's an object that is flying that I can't identify. UFO for most of us means aliens. So when someone says they do or do not believe in UFOs, it's like saying they do or do not believe bigfoot is real or that God exists. Whether they do or not exist is concrete and positive, but our ability to determine that is ineffective right now.

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4 years 29 weeks ago, 7:10 AM

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I would like to comment on the goodness of the discussion itself. My PERCEPTION is that the discussion demonstrates something important, [that tickles hell out of me]. To me,the discussion demonstrates that we have some excellent thought producers on this site. We do not necessarily see it too often, but I am certain to a high degree of confidence, that it exists here.
Thus, you can see I believe that perception IS reality. A good operational definition of reality is "that which remains/persists, after you have decided that it is not 'real' ". I applied that operational definition, to come to the conclusion that we have some excellent thought producers here. Operationally, over a period of about a year and a half, just when I would begin to discount this conclusion, some members would persist in "demonstrating" that I would be incorrect.

Now what in hell does that have to do with the content of the discussion?
My problem with intergalactic space travel, the Bilderberg Group, NWO, illuminatti, and the like, is they do not meet my operational definition of reality. I admit I am teetering on the edge of considering billions of galaxies as possibly productive of billions of potential planets capable of sustaining "life", but at this point, this consideration persists on a purely statistical basis.

Keep on keepin' on my friends--yes-- that includes you Runaway, and have a great 2K10, which persists in demonstrating that my view of reality, here, is accurate.

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A good example was that just before World War 1, the Rothschild's (Europes richest banking family) needed to increase it's holdings, and so allegedly, the Rothschild's put out a hit on Franz Ferdinand so that England and Germany would get into the war. During war, countries have to borrow money to finance the war (we are doing it now with Iraq and Afghanistan!), so the countries involved would have to do business, one way or another with the Rothschild's.

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if you get the chance

read Jesse Venturas book...i think its called Don't start thr Revolution With out me.I read a few chapters in the Dr.s Office and if anything, its a great read.Also I saw UFO IN concert in the early 80"s.....man i got wasted!!!

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 9:38 AM

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Damn it, LLE

Ya lost me. I think I actually felt my eyes glazing over as I was reading your post.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 7:50 PM

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Please forgive the pseudo-intellectual claptrap, because it was driven by too much beer, wine, tequila and scotch.

Suffice to say I believe we have some really good thinkers here, and I enjoy this good stuff, a lot.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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LLE dang!

you can mix beer,wine,tequila,and scotch,...good show!

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yes, certain about it

I have reasons for the things I do, just don't expect them to be reasonable
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No matter what happens all we can do is be ready for a rainy day, and be ready to choose what side to be on. It does no good to stress about what is to come, but live life and be prepared.

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4 years 28 weeks ago, 6:32 PM

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including you. Just say, "Thanks" and you'll be fine.

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I think it was his intelligent way of making fun of my alcohol-fueled (or inhibited) posts. But "Thanks". Hey, I am doing better now.

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now Castro has bought into the idea, IT HAS TO BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

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Fidel Castro fascinated by book on Bilderberg Club
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By WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press Writer Will Weissert, Associated Press Writer – Wed Aug 18, 2:52 pm ET
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HAVANA – Fidel Castro is showcasing a theory long popular both among the far left and far right: that the shadowy Bilderberg Group has become a kind of global government, controlling not only international politics and economics, but even culture.

The 84-year-old former Cuban president published an article Wednesday that used three of the only eight pages in the Communist Party newspaper Granma to quote — largely verbatim — from a 2006 book by Lithuanian-born writer Daniel Estulin.

Estulin's work, "The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club," argues that the international group largely runs the world. It has held a secretive annual forum of prominent politicians, thinkers and businessmen since it was founded in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland.

Castro offered no comment on the excerpts other than to describe Estulin as honest and well-informed and to call his book a "fantastic story."

Estulin's book, as quoted by Castro, described "sinister cliques and the Bilderberg lobbyists" manipulating the public "to install a world government that knows no borders and is not accountable to anyone but its own self."

The Bilderberg group's website says its members have "nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern" once a year, but the group does nothing else.

It said the meetings were meant to encourage people to work together on major policy issues.

The prominence of the group is what alarms critics. It often includes members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, senior U.S. and European officials and major international business and media executives.

The excerpt published by Castro suggested that the esoteric Frankfurt School of socialist academics worked with members of the Rockefeller family in the 1950s to pave the way for rock music to "control the masses" by diverting attention from civil rights and social injustice.

"The man charged with ensuring that the Americans liked the Beatles was Walter Lippmann himself," the excerpt asserted, referring to a political philosopher and by-then-staid newspaper columnist who died in 1974.

"In the United States and Europe, great open-air rock concerts were used to halt the growing discontent of the population," the excerpt said.

Castro — who had an inside seat to the Cold War — has long expressed suspicions of back-room plots. He has raised questions about whether the Sept. 11 attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. government to stoke military budgets and, more recently suggested that Washington was behind the March sinking of a South Korean ship blamed on North Korea.

Estulin's own website suggests that the 9/11 attacks were likely caused by small nuclear devices, and that the CIA and drug traffickers were behind the 1988 downing of a jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, that was blamed on Libya.

The Bilderberg conspiracy theory has been popular on both extremes of the ideological spectrum, even if they disagree on just what the group wants to do. Leftists accuse the group of promoting capitalist domination, while some right-wing websites argue that the Bilderberg club has imposed Barack Obama on the United States to advance socialism.

Some of Estulin's work builds on reports by Big Jim Tucker, a researcher on the Bilderberg Group who publishes on right-wing websites.

"It's great Hollywood material ... 15 people sitting in a room sitting in a room determining the fate of mankind," said Herbert London, president of the Hudson Institute, a nonpartisan policy think tank in New York.

"As someone who doesn't come out of the Oliver Stone school of conspiracy, I have a hard time believing it," London added.

A call to a Virginia number for the American Friends of Bilderberg rang unanswered Wednesday and the group's website lists no contact numbers.

Castro, who underwent emergency intestinal surgery in July 2006 and stepped down as president in February 2008, has suddenly begun popping up everywhere recently, addressing Cuba's parliament on the threat of a nuclear war, meeting with island ambassadors at the Foreign Ministry, writing a book and even attending the dolphin show at the Havana aquarium.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_castro_bil...

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reaper: Children of Men sounds like the movie you are talking about..

I would maybe not necessarily believe everything that Jesse Ventura (Former Navy Seal before seals were invented) puts out there...

Although I would not put multiple conspiracies past the messed up people in this world...

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I don't even know if his show is on anymore. There are a number of reasons why I can not subscribe to his ramblings. He was a Professional Wrestler that specialized in creating a persona through the use of hyperbole and exaggeration. He was a politician that created a persona to get elected through the use of hyperbole and exaggeration. He is now a celebrity that uses hyperbole and exaggeration to fulfill a role in a TV show about conspiracies.

By the way, the term UFO is an impossibility by definition. Once you call it an UFO it is no longer unidentified...

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was governor of this state he had a radio show,i listened to it every day(almost) and am convinced that he is the real deal,he wasn't afraid back then to point out conspiracy topics and he is a student of the Kennedy assasination which he discussed in great length.

yes he was a wrestler,so what,he was also a biker,back when there were real bikers and not just HD riding weekend warriors.I also find it comical that TL would call him a seal,before there were seals,didn't know he had the mans military record at his disposal.Believe me,you don't call yourself a seal,if you ain't one,so drop the crap.You don't know,what you don't know.

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3 years 33 weeks ago, 9:27 PM

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Ventura's military record has been a point of contention for some time. He was part of an underwater demolition unit a few years before the Navy decided to create the S.E.A.L.S and include underwater demolition as a primary mission focus.

My military record and history are US Army, not Navy... Military guys usually pay a bit of attention though to wanna be's and posers... Not saying he does not have combat experience or that he had a hard core job at least.. Just that S.E.A.L.S. were not created yet... A great friend of mine is on Seal Team 3 and he points this out as well...

PS: I always wonder why people don't use a real picture of themselves for their photo... I tend to wonder with whom I am conversing...

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you are correct

TL, i question everything and myself mostly about whether what i say is truthfull to the best of my knowledge,so i went on a google search(which i hate to do) and after reading quite a bit,i have to agree that Jesse was UDT,when he was in team 12,stationed in Coronado,which had UDT team 11 and 12,also stationed there was SEAL team 1 and 2.I'm not going into a lot of detail about the different teams but since the SEALS and UDT did not combine into one Unit until 1983,and Jesse was discharged in 1974,he was not actually ever a SEAL,although there was a ribbon of doubt when i read that the Navy was begging for UDT volunteers to join The SEALs,which a UDT volunteer could do in a manner of hours,basically move out of one quonset hut into another,but the weight of information leans towards Jesse not being a SEAL,but allowed by SEAL members to call himself one for publicity reasons,only Jesse knows why he would say something not true when he was part of a very elite UDT team anyway.

However www.navyseals.com does not make the distinction between the UDT and SEALs and calls Jesse a SEAL,I guess if they are okay with it,ought to be good enough.Read about that here http://www.navyseals.com/jesse-ventura

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its pretty clear

you just had a conversation with an armed primate and Josey Wales

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