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I have been making my own binary targets (LEGALLY) for a couple years now.
Everyone refers to it as Tannerite, but that is actually a manufacturers name. I would like to hear some of your experiences with it.

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6 years 27 weeks ago, 11:40 AM

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ya Tannerite is way too expensive, thats why i buy the components and make it myself. the risk of starting a fire is a myth. the only reason
these are still legal is that they are "BINARY", they will not start a fire. sure, if you mix other catylists with it, it will ignite. but not in its proper use. if you want to save money, i can point you in the right direction.

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5 years 21 weeks ago, 10:35 PM

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Hello,
I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction for making these..ie,where to get the chemicals . I know where to get the aluminum but not the ammonium nitrate.

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4 years 39 weeks ago, 11:53 PM

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Are you sure?

Hello to you too.
Do you really need a pointer to the stuff? If so, I know of a source of E1 and also CA.

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2 years 47 weeks ago, 10:44 PM

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if you are looking for affordable exploding targets search h2 targets on ebay. they work just as good if not better than tannerite and other leading brands of exploding targets.

2 years 27 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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It is not a myth about binary targets starting fires. Tannerite is the only binary target that will NOT start a fire. The quality and make up of the chemical used in tannerite can not be acquired by just any one.

2 years 8 weeks ago, 8:25 PM

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Ive bought and shot Tannerite and Star Targets and the tannerite has caught my grass on fire when it was mixed correctly. But it's not a reoccuring thing.

6 years 27 weeks ago, 12:01 PM

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materials list

and directions for mixing would be nice

6 years 26 weeks ago, 1:18 PM

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Oxidizer-1 lb. 34-0-0 ammonium nitrate (prilled is best)
Catylyst-2 teaspoons indian dark aluminum flake (aluminum powder, 600 mesh ball mill)
add aluminum to nitrate in 1 lb. plastic container with lid and shake until ALL prills are coated.
put into what ever size container you wish to use.
tannerite is in typically 8 oz. bottles, i use pill bottles and 16 oz.
tupperware tubs with the screw on lids.
you can experiment on the size, but it doesn't take much because of the
enormous pressures that you obtain.
with a 2 liter bottle i completely destroyed an entire car!!!!
I IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONES USE OF THIS PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!
Also, this is very stable. it cannot detonate by dropping or shaking. you cannot even set this on fire. it has to be shot with a projectile at or above 2000fps. only then will it flash over.
that being said.... have some fun

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6 years 19 weeks ago, 8:25 PM

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I have used this kind of target and man is it fun when you are holding a sniper match and you put a couple of these kind of targets in the match to shoot. The guys would go nuts tring to hit them in a match. They would tell me I don't care how bad or good I shoot as long as I hit the target that goes BOOM!! I have use some that are a 2 inch square with a 1 inch red bulleyes that goes boom when you hit the red circle. They will go off with a 22 rifle.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:32 AM

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Any suggestions as to where to get the ammonium nitrate for these DIY binary targets? Seems like companies like Honeywell are modifying the formula to include sulfate, thus reducing the explosive quality. Can you find small quantities (or any size) at places such as Lowe's and HomeDepot? Anyone know any brand names for me too look for? Thanks and a belated Happy Memorial Day to the Vets on the site, Mark

5 years 40 weeks ago, 6:47 AM

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all i know about this stuff is that its regulated, and anybody that tries to buy more than a matchbox of the stuff will get the attention of the ATF..that being said, i bet you just gave the ATF guys a that monitor this site a big woodie...nothing like a morning hard-on

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:53 PM

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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oh

oh well, as you mentioned i'm probably attracting attention for even inquiring. I'll just drop it at this before I set all of big brothers alarms off.

5 years 36 weeks ago, 1:27 PM

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I think it is bad enough the U.S. government has to control everything and have everyone affraid to even post without fear of being watched (paraniod) and now they want to run your healthcare!, my god when are you all going to realize enough's enough? Well, freedom goes way back before the term got distorted, did we all forget our history? If you want to make a binary target and target practice with your right to bare arms than I say stop worring about BIG brother they can't balance a check book. Just do your d__ homework and research it before you make anytthing, unfortunatly there are stupid freaks that will post anything and everything that will get you hurt or killed, there just exersizing there freedom of speech.
*** Don't mix Chlorate's with any fuel's specially NOT aluminum powder! It is just bad news stuff....
Go and get you some AN (ammonium nitrate) from your local feed or farmers store (no not wal-mart or target), 50lb bags here are 24.95 + tax and get your Aluminum Powder 600mesh (Germanblackhead is best) on Fleabay for about 20.00 a pound + shipping it's not cheap but you use more of the AN for Binary Targets just a tablespoon of the Aluminum. mix these in a 10/1 ratio inside a plastic shampoo bottle or whatever just keep it no more than a pound. If you mixed Ammonium Perchlorate and zirconium hydride with the above mix you would have an actual Tannerite patented target, the mixture volumes are available online, just google it. remember be smart and research it.

And just be mature and responsible so you don't get someone else hurt! and realize putting these in microwaves, refrigerators, washers, etc. may sound tempting and cool as h__! it's not the smartest thing to do no matter how KoOL it is!... Just remember all that metal will be projectiles moving at speeds faster than a bullet, thats just insane unless that of course is exactly what you want.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 1:37 PM

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somewhere, at some desk an ATF agent just got a hardon..well done

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4 years 22 weeks ago, 1:14 PM

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Hello,
www.SureShotExplodingTargets.com now has a 1/2LB .22lr sensitive target , the "Sure Shot Rimfire Magnum" and it's louder than 4 lbs of tannerite!

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:33 PM

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Nice Forum!

I was glad to see a forum thats really laid out nice and right up my alley with guns!& good members, and of course what we all love best things that go boom! Like the wife always say's you boy's and your toy's', just these toy's are more fun than the average boy's toy's. I have enjoyed blowing things up since I did my high school history teacher's mail box back in the 70's ever since I just had to know how that was done. I had bought some tannerites years ago when danny first got his patent and thought those where amazing, just a little pricey for my blood, so I begged Dan to tell me the ingredients and he wouldn't so I researched his patent but wasn't until much later did I learn the amounts of each ingredient and a cheaper better way of making them. Hope to hear from you all and what type of firearms you all are into. Going out to shoot some old cannon's with BP love the smell of Blackpowder! just can't get enough of the stuff.

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5 years 12 weeks ago, 7:38 PM

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Alot of searching but www.sureshottargets.com they work great and are on sale!

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5 years 7 weeks ago, 11:25 PM

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Were can I purchase the Ammonium nitrate.
It's seemed to be a controlled substance anymore.

I would like to locally buy in or near Eugene Oregon and save on shipping costs.
Thanks in advance. I'm no terrorist, just want to shoot way out there with my m1 mosen nagent and .17 Hmr and know when I make the target.
Thanks in advance, Bill

4 years 8 weeks ago, 5:08 PM

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Generally if you look hard enough you can find ammonium "white" 34-0-0 prills. Sometimes lawnscaping places have it. But I can tell you it's getting harder to find. I go to a farm supply store.

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 11:48 PM

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Tannerite is an excellant product and the one all others copy. That's rule number one. Rule number two, is that if you don't know what you're doing, you'll either maim yourself, kill yourself, or have the ATF down your throat. Actually if you really want to get down to brass tacks, Tannerite is NOT a binary mixture. According to what I've read, their fuel/catalyst contains 3 things. The word BINARY itself means TWO components. Now I'm not splitting hairs, but that's just the truth. You can make a very simple and workable (and safe) target with just two chemicals: ammonium nitrate prills (the white one's that say 34-0-0 on the outside, and aluminum powder. I'm not telling anyone thing that most people already know.

I predict that within 3 years or less, Tannerite, and all it's competitors will be put out of business by some government agency. NOT because they produce an unsafe product, but because so many people don't read the simple one page literature Tannerite sends with your order. I personally wish people wouldn't try to blow up cars, trucks, and other things and put it on the net for everyone to see. It'll ruin it for us all...

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hi

www.sportsmansguide.com has them and I think a mix to do ur own to but not sure on that .ty

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4 years 8 weeks ago, 10:39 PM

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I went to the web site and sportsmansguide sells "STAR TARGETS" which are a take-off of Tannerite. There's really no mystery to any of these binary targets. They're all basically ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. It's all about the cost to the customer.

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The best exploding targets out there are sure shot, to find them cheapest go to ebay and type in sure shot exploding targets.

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welcome to gunslot.am i reading your name right a s a ford driving girl from sanfrancisco?did we get another californian and a female and a ford fan all in one?

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did not spend any time talking about it.
San Francisco Ord Girl? LOL
It's getting all wound up and ready to rain here, Mrs. Daisy is standing next to me, her way of saying "are you ready to take me to Hobby Lobby so I can buy 2 skeins of rust colored yarn to send to my neice, Kathy?"
Says a lot just standing there, don't she LOL!!!!!

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haha did you take the mrs to get her yarn? sfordgirl =san francisco,ford,girl.looks like gunshot is catching on with the ladies.

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Yes, the gals cruise in, stay for a little while then out and gone. What ever became of Doll Partz? She seemed like an unlikely candidate for the shooting sports.
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I still have the nagging suspicion that a "girl" logging on to a predominately man's website could be a fat, balding middleaged man getting his jollies pretending.
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welcome to gunslot.

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there was one called cyanide cupcake or something too

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Had to register because when i read misinformation about aluminum powder I cringe, and yes I work in the industry that uses it.

German Blackhead is a farce, its NOT manufactured anymore, it hasn't been since the late 1960s, everyone in the manufacturing side knows this. Its a ploy, period. It's simply someone digging up an old name from the past, back in the days when powders were not "cut", or stuffed with filler to make more profit (like they do now).

Everyone in the reactive target industry either knows about or uses Star Molecule Aluminum Powder www.starmolecule.com because its some of the nastiest stuff out, its a munitions grade aluminum powder. You can use that or Eckart 5413 as a weaker backup, but far superior to the others. Here's the thing, you can use less of those powders then your standard eBay garbage.

As for the ammonium nitrate? Any feed store with 34-0-0.

Again, German Blackhead is a farce. Ever wonder what happened to the machines that used to stamp out (that's right I said stamp, not atomize) the German Blackhead in the late 60s? Only a few machines even exist in the world, and most of them ended up in.... wait for it... Europe and India. Indian Dark, which is its REAL name, not Indian Blackhead, is made using those machines, but NOT using the original process.

Now you know the truth, regardless of what you are told.

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good to have the record set straight.

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welcome,and thanks for the info.what is it that you do,or is that classified you could tell me but you'd have to kill me kinda thing?haha.kidding.if you have some material you should think about making an instructional video showing how well they work.

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Hello Jay, and thank you for the welcome.

An older video, 2 years approximately of the original (open air) test of Star Molecule vs German Dark (which they called German Blackhead or TH Dark *cough*, not to mention they put boosters in it to cheat), and well... you'll see I am sure. Its spread speed, caching was off the charts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kVM7TmZe0

As per Eckart, I like you idea I think I will shoot the differences when i get a chance via HD Video.

I actually work with the powders doing micro abrasive cleaning, taking a incredibly small amount and mixing with water to clean sensitive materials.

And well... your occasional reactive target shoot :]

2 years 36 weeks ago, 2:48 PM

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Oh, and I should mention that I need to make a clarity statement...

I did in fact run across an old timer who worked with explosives (legal) from back in the 60s and 70s (when he was in the industry), and he did in fact have 2 original drums (110 pounds) of authentic german blackhead still sealed. Can you believe that?

$50.00 per pound, was to rich for my blood, but I was indeed quite jealous. Blackest stuff I have ever seen next to star molecule.

2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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so where would a legally minded interested person like me get into making targets?is it as simple as getting any ammonium nitrate based fertilizer of 34-0-0? what if there are other forms of nitrogen in the fertilizer such as urea? does the fert need to be pellet/time release type as I've heard before?also if you used something stronger than 34-0-0 would you get a stronger effect?lastly what would the ratio of nitrate/aluminum be?
thanks again

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 6:49 PM

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As of now, local feed stores and an occasional hardware store carry ammonium nitrate. Any 34-0-0 will generally work, but only 34-0-0

Whether its coated or not, now that's a different story. Simply put, you have 2 different grades of ammonium nitrate: AG or Agricultural Grade (which is high density) and Commercial / Explosives Grade (which is low density).

AG / High Density can be found around town (feed stores, etc), but as time progresses they are regulating it more and more. Commercial / Low Density is insanely regulated, and you need an existing account with a regulated/tracking supplier, as well as an Explosives License, and they will watch you like a hawk, bet on that.

Does High Density work? Yes, but if its coated (as most are) you want the highest grade of aluminum powder available for the full effect. Will it work without it? Yeah, but not like a Star Molecule or Eckart Powder.

They are making it harder and harder to get the quality stuff.

As far as ammonium nitrate suppliers for 34-0-0, well the big boy is CF Industries, but if they even suspect its for reactive targets, you won't make it past the first sales rep, not to mention the credit app and scrutiny. Oh and minimum purchase is generally 2 tons per month.

Search local for sure, but who knows for how much longer.

Tannerite's not to bad, its pricy like the others, but I am waiting for Patriot Exploding Targets (all military commercial / grade).

I think ammonium nitrate locally is still in the $13-$19 range for 50 pounds? Just make sure its 34-0-0 and most aren't these days.

As far as the type, once again, use 34-0-0 only, prilled.

Ratio: A rule of thumb I use is, if its thoroughly coated, its good to go. For every 1/2 pound of ammonium nitrate prills I use 1/2 teaspoon of star molecule (I say that brand because that's the brand I use, not a sales push), I suspect its the same with 5413, heck I think its the same with any of them. I do know that to much or not enough is definitely counter-productive.

There are twists you can do... some people like straight prill, some like to tumble there prills a little, some like to crush it down to flake.

Black prills, cheap thrills.

2 years 36 weeks ago, 10:01 AM

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I get my ammonium nitrate from xxxxxxxx . It's 3 bucks a pound for commercial grade prilled. I get my aluminum powder from xxxxxxxx. I use the cheapest they have and it works great. I can make a pound of the stuff for like 3.20 in total. It's a lot better than the 7 bucks for the half pound tannerite charges. Happy explosions to all

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Dshively, FAIL. Not only that, but insanely false information. Your trolling a site and a product.

#1 You can NOT legally purchase ANY low density ammonium nitrate from a website. Period. Fact. Law.

#2 That site does not even legally carry it unless he is running a Type 4 Class 5 license, which he is not.

#3 Your pricing is horrible. 50 pounds can be had for $15 locally, and a one pound high grade aluminum can be had for $20, for a total price of $35 which equates to 50 x 1 Pound Targets or 100 x 1/2 Pound Targets.

Total and complete math fail. I think you were here to spam a site and product.

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dshively2 states in his profile he ownes last man standing will show his ammonium nitrate products...his post here used to direct you to the site,now it says i get mine from xxxxxxxxxx.

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sound good

put in the soda can and shoot from far away hey sounds like July 4 in a few days got to make some up :>).............

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We have a big party tonight (pre 4th because of the amount of people that can make it), its on private land, 50,000+ acres. We will be at a cabin on the water and are going to commence with a nice sized charge, i will make an attempt to get it on 1080p HD for the "opening salvo" :P

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that sounds cool.id like to see that

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can some one help me out with a question. Im trying to find the 34-0-0 nitrate local and so far ive only been able to find 21-0-0 and 46-0-0 does it have to be 34? or would 46 work as well?

look the 46-0-0 stuff goes by the name urea and its a no go.

2 years 35 weeks ago, 10:45 AM

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46-0-0 will not work, its guaranteed not to work. 34-0-0 only.

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Alright, got the video put together. Had a blast out there with some guys. Switch the video to 1080 HD and CRANK up the volume LOL.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgD48MSDcLE

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cool vid.wish it was longer haha.

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ammonium nitrate

I make my own rifle targets as well. I just wanted to respond to one of the comments on here. Ammonium Nitrate at this time is NOT regulated by the ATF so all you people who think it is should get your facts. I have writen letters to me from the ATF on everything you want to know about it. I took the time did the research and talked with the ATF. Guess what? if your not buyng 1000's of pounds of the stuff you will be fine. As long as you don't mix it and transport it your good,,,,mix it at the location you will be useing it. You need a license to transport it when it is mixed. There are way to many assholes out there that are making it hard on the people who dont want to do harm to other people or property. Just have fun that doesn't get you or anyone else killed.

2 years 16 weeks ago, 3:52 AM

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Not sure why everyone seems stuck on ammonium nitrate. Maybe due to terrorists using it as an oxidizer for their bombs.
Why deal with a chemical that gets attention, and is inferior to boot?

I've used potassium chlorate, with aluminum powder, works fine. Even better with magnesium powder. And even better is using potassium perchlorate as the oxidizer, but that is not as stable, needs more caution. I have used it in proportions of about two or three parts oxidizer to one of metal powder. Louder than the ammonium nitrate mixture, especially with magnesium powder, so I use quite a bit less. Like a couple tablespoons, as the chlorate/perchlorate are better oxidizers. The perchlorate as more oxygen. These will also off with a fuse. They don't start fires as all the oxygen is used up during the explosion, you will see no flame. Nothing like gunpowder., and louder. Just be careful as with any explosive mixtures. Watch out for "shrapnel".

2 years 7 weeks ago, 4:22 PM

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As a manufacturer of exploding targets (www.shocshot.com) I can perhaps clear up some things that appear in this forum. Don't be fooled. Virtually ANY exploding can cause a fire. Why? Just take a look at most target manufacturers web sites and they'll show you a fireball. While it may only last milliseconds, it can produce enough sparks to create a fire in dry tender, grass, or even leaves. 'Nuff said about that.

jsttt is correct about ammonium nitrate. It is NOT regulated by the ATF. It IS however, regulated by Homeland Security. That is the reason that most of your feed stores no longer stock it. It's because they have to keep it locked up behind a fence, and have a 24 hour guard. Most small mom and pop stores can't afford that.

Ammonium nitrate comes in two varieties. It comes in a higher density ag grade which has a clay coating on the outside. The explosive grade (what we use) is lower in density and is somewhat pourous. If you look at both under a microscope you'll notice the ag grade is smooth and shiny while the explosive grade is pitted much like a golf ball. This absorbs the fuel oil needed for ANFO. Generally you can use both, especially if you grind up the ag grade and get the outside clay coating off it. Usually ag grade sells for around $30 per hundred while the explosive grade about 2 1/2 times that amount. You usually cannot purchase explosive grade ammonium nitrate unless you have a license from the ATF. Most companies won't sell it to you. And if you buy ag grade, don't lie to them by telling them you're a farmer and that you're using it for your farm. That's not cool.

Now a little about pricing. What lots of people fail to understand is the overhead for making these targets. Most companies aren't ripping you off. Take your time. Do your homework. Not all exploding target companies are the same. Most all aluminum powders WILL work when applied to ammonium nitrate. FACT. I've done R&D for 2 years and I know that to be true. As far as zirconium hydride, it's cost is usually prohibitively expensive. You DON'T need it. Titanium sponge works well however.

So let's back up. You CAN purchase ammonium nitrate (ag grade) IF you can find it. But you cannot tell a lie about it so you can buy it. Therefore it's probably difficult if not impossible to purchase. And more than likely you will never be able to buy explosive grade ammonium nitrate unless you have a license. That's a fact.

German Black is a very good grade of aluminum powder. A flake is probably a good bet. Why? Because of its surface area.

When you go to make your own exploding targets just remember what it cost to keep all those supplies in stock by the manufacturers. Plus remember what it cost to make them. It's not cheap. So instead of complaining about how expensive Tannerite is, do your homework and you might find some less expensive alternatives out there. Or just plunk down your money and buy it. It's not that expensive in the long run.

Good luck and be sure not to hurt yourself or anyone else.

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Well, I can tell its time to come back out of hibernation because "dons mini-14" has posted some seriously eronneous information, and its nothing more than a thinly veiled guise to spam his new exploding target company website to make money.

So where do we start..

First of all don is a not a manufacturer, he is simply someone buying a 34-0-0 nitrate from one place, an aluminum powder dark flake grade from another (maybe Eckart but I SERIOUSLY doubt he is direct with them, more than likely Star Molecule www.starmolecule.com because they are pretty much king of the hill anyway), and putting them into a cheap PET container that he gets from a container supplier. Tada... now you have it, an instant exploding target manufacturer you run from your garage or shed.

He is completely and totally following and towing the industry line by telling you it comes in two grades, it doesn't. It comes in one format based upon purity, once the raw form is graded at the REAL industrial level its sold to different manufacturers who can make it for VARYING industries based upon its GRADE of purity. Low purity goes to Aggie and Explosive markets. Mid grades are moved to tech based manufacturers and suppliers, and high is for EXTREMELY sensitive requirements that require Re-Agent and ACS quality purities. Look it up.

Guess which exploding company uses Tech... only 1 and its not "dons company" i can ASSURE you, it costs much more than aggie or a coated aggie that they call explosive grade. TECH is FAR beyond Aggie/Explosive grade, and cost more for sure.

If anyone tells you any different, they are full of CRAP. Let's start at the bottom: AG Grade, now lets simply filter agricultural grade into coated or non coated, let's move the coated over to an industry we call the explosive grade. Is there a difference? NO, its all in the coating. As long as its 34-0-0 it works.

Don't screw with the coated type, even if the company states they grind it up! The coating is STILL in the powder.

Period. End of discussion. "dons" is not an elitist with some super recipe, hes just another mover and shaker trying to make a buck.

Well, lets keep moving shall we... so what other ammonium nitrate grades are there? Funny you should ask! Wait, don't answer... I'll tell you: Tech, Re-Agent, and ACS.

No ONE, period, unless they give you the Clinical Data, MSDS Sheet, and Gastronometer Analysis runs Tech except one company, ONE. Patriot Exploding Targets. I am not posting some link to their freaking website, look it up yourself. And I challenge ANYONE to prove me wrong.

If you purchase a coated based nitrate, you are asking for trouble. I don't care WHAT "dons" says, mark my words, I want no paper trail leading ANY coated nitrate to my house. "dons" can say what he wants, he can spin it any way he wants, and he can sugarcoat it anyway he wants... you do not want some Federal Nerd tracking where a coated nitrate goes, period.

You have been warned.

I do not care if they give you the STUPIDEST excuse that they grind it up to make it safer or more reactive, talk about stupid. It absorbs humidity and temperature changes 7 times faster. Don't believe me, call a lab at any college and ask the instructor about everything I have mentioned so far. And to think the coating base is ground away is absurd. Again, talk to a Chemist, a REAL one, like at a college.

"dons" has not researched anything for 2 years, he played with other companies targets for a while, and thought "I can go do this..."

You DO NOT need some ridiculous component like Zirconium Hydride or Titanium Sponge, give me a break. Its about two things... 34-0-0 and a quality dark jagged flake aluminum, period.

Stop with the secret squirrel handshake bull-crap.

And I will tell you this... make NO mistake, because I have a family member IN the BATFE. They are monitoring EVERY single exploding target company that is making .22 sensitive targets, EVERY single one. Target companies can deny it, they can say "No they are not" all they want. The BATFE is NOT HAPPY that the target companies are kitting aluminum powder and perchlorates, and its only a matter of time until they go through and mop up. We wont even mention how ticked the CPSC is about it.

Mark my words, you were warned. The companies that do NOT, nor EVER have sold their own version of a .22 sensitive perchlorate based target will get a pass legally, those you see selling them now, STEER CLEAR OF. You saw it here first. and if I understood it right, if you have sold any .22 sensitive perchlorate based target at all within the continental United States and have shipped them ground anywhere through any carrier, even 1 order, you were already popped and being watched.

EDITED: I needed to come back and clarify what I stated about, it's not completely true in the way its stated. If you have shipped those .22 sensitive perchlorate based targets through the MAJOR carriers (DHS, USPS, FedEx or UPS), the ones that have the Vapo/Scent/XRay sampling on all packages, then you as a customer and the company were both flagged. Sorry. Truth. Deal with it. Its ILLEGAL to mix aluminum and prechlorate. They already do not like those two chemicals, and they do not like the target companies. They now have the means to move on them. Every wonder what happened to Skylighter and its injunction? Hmmm? But Skylighter was only selling certain chemicals separated, yep, and two of them were aluminum and perchlorate, and that is where they went over the line.

Perchlorate and aluminum sold from a retailer as a kit to mix with or to anything is considered flash based, and that's a NO NO. Again, look it up.

You watch.

Oh and if anyone wants to throw around exploding company target names, then throw this around: Patriot Exploding Targets, they ACTUALLY have a parent company that is a DOD/DLA Provider you can validate...

Its a known fact that CERTAIN suppliers of "supposed explosive grade nitrate aka coated" make you produce an ATF License, but news flash... others do not.

Oh and listen, you can legally buy nitrates from Lab Supply Stores guys if you ever needed a fail safe, they dont have CRAPPY grades though. They only have Tech, Re-Agent and ACS, but it is a good backup should you need it.

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