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1 year 24 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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I will admit, that this time, his essay was relevant, since the venue was an NFL game in which the Washington team was competing. The subject, of course, was the NAME of the team. The debate about an unacceptable name [which some people consider a pejorative-- a derogatory and potentially hurtful term] for a whole north American indigenous racial group, has been raging off and on for a very long time in the good old USA. [Good media stuff].

IMO, it boils down to something similar to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Do I consider the Cleveland "Indians" name derogatory?? No. But some Native Americans probably do not like it. Do I consider the Florida State "Seminoles", a derogatory usage, hurtful to members of that tribe? No. And when that question bubbles up, it is interesting that tribal executives express great pride in their relationship with the university, their team mascot, Chief Osceola, and the war chant. The NCAA, importantly, also ruled that this was not a derogatory team name situation. Yet, I have little doubt that some members of the tribe, find the usage demeaning.
Well--how about the Kansas City Chiefs or the old Boston/Milwaukee, and new Atlanta Braves??
And what about other names denoting ethnicity/race, like Warriors and Vikings and Eskimos and the fighting Irish?? Will we find people who do not like such appellations? I am sure we will. BUT, C'mon MAN!! This is a big, diverse country, and we should have matured enough to know that purposefully hurtful labels tear at the fabric of a cooperative society.

One last thing, IMO: Costas' EQUATING the term "Redskin", with the N-word for black people, the K-word for Jews, the W-word for Italians, the S-word for Hispanics/Latinos, etc. is flat WRONG. The term "Redskin", in relation to naming a football team, was NEVER motivated by any desire to be derisive, demeaning or derogatory and hurtful. On the other hand, those other "X-words", and anything like them, WERE definitely invented and used by those who had a pathetic need to make a particular group look small, powerless and reviled , so that the term users could momentarily look big and feel part of the in-crowd. I hope the team owners do not succumb to the ravings of the Liberal left who gave us Affirmative Action, the Affordable Care Act, and other ideas that are synonymous with "FAIL".

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

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Costas

IMO he is nothing but a pompous wind bag. Typical of many on the left who want to put their morality upon anyone who does not agree with them. Just as bad, cbs allows him to spew his rhetoric.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 11:15 AM

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especially also on his previous gun tirade. On the "Redskins" team name argument, he is entitled to his opinion, as are we, BUT I have not presumed to speak publicly for all Native Americans. I believe using the bully pulpit of a TV broadcast to spew his lefty-lib opinion is unconscionable, in the manner in which he verbalized. He sounded as though he believed he had special knowledge and was anointed to speak for all Native Americans AND for the entire US society/culture.
To be fair, that is the same kind of problem I have with the Bill O'Reillies and Rush Limbaughs of the radio/TV world, even though I agree with most of their political positions.

Perhaps Costas is rehearsing for a second career in political punditry.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 1:43 PM

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I have a good friend in the Dallas FD, he also happens to be 1/8 Cherokee. He called me last night to vent because like you stated, who elected costas, speaker of all native Americans. Every native American I have ever met takes pride in the fact that so many schools and teams have used Native Americans as mascots, because of their proud heritage. Besides the Irish, no other race or nationality is a mascot, to my knowledge.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 2:14 PM

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Although o'Reilly and Rush are paid to prattle on, Costas is a bafoon, his time in the spot light is fading fast.
Redskins is definitely not in the same boat as nigger.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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a buffoon, in the strict definition of the word. He is well-educated and articulate. IMO, his one behavior that signals foolishness, is his apparent belief that anyone cares about his opinion---and his having the colossal gall to use national TV, courtesy of NBC sports, to preach HIS version of how everyone should rightfully see it. [Maybe he chose Obama as his mentor]......
Costas actually intimated that Redskins owner Danny Snyder, a Jew, was being insensitive to the hurtfulness of hate speech. (Costas ought to ask Snyder about growing up in a big city area with the K-word, the S-word and the DJ-phrase being in common usage, every day. That will sensitize you real fast.)

My guess is if we had a scientific polling of the population of the greater Washington DC area, and a separate poll of the Native American tribes organizations in the Middle Atlantic area, regarding the possible changing of the "Redskins" team name, it would show 90% "nays" for both groups.

As usual this story is being turned into a simmering, profitable "much ado about nothing" by the media.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 5:14 PM

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He is a buffoon. How does a seemingly intelligent person,Costas,by your surmization, champion a cause , the redskin name,when a little ground work by Costas would reach the same conclusion that 90% believe it to be a nonissue.

Along with his gun tirade.

Combined with his inability to realize his job description doesn't include personal commentary on emotional issues.

Or his inability to see the forces at NBC using him as a puppet,or worse

His inability to pull the hands that control him out of his ventriloquist dummy's ass.

Nope he is almost used up, a Jeraldo Rivera at the brick wall.

BTW - strict definition of Buffoon does include ludacris, which sums up Costas quite nicely.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 10:30 AM

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A good synonym for "buffoon" is "clown". "Ludicrous" appears to be an English word which seems to mean laughable. IMO Costas, in-TV- football-mufti, hardly appears clownish, or ordinarily laughable. I do not consider his demeanor well-described using those terms.
I am describing his political opinions as articulated in unrequsted verbal essays, as highly questionable, and open to the severest of criticism, but I am not attacking him ad hominem.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 4:12 PM

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I had to

Google "Ludacris" because what you said didn'tMake sense and lo and behold it is a person. Why anybody would take that as a name is beyond me.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 10:34 AM

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"Ludacris" is ludicrous!!

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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Exactly.!

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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equating words

Whenever someone says "insert your term here" is as bad as the "N-word, K-word, etc. They have destroyed their own argument. If it was as bad as those words, they would have used the first letter of the word and added "word" to the end of it.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 12:43 PM

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I obviously am too dense to abstract the kernel of your meaning. Could you please give me the second grade recap??

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 9:28 AM

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i dont have any problem whatsoever with this name personally.i have some native blood (less than a quarter),not enough to identify myself as an american indian,but enough i think to be aware of it,and teams named indians/braves/chiefs/redskins are not racial slurs,they are maybe a provocative term at worst,and a nod to our american predecessors at best.i dont get the incorrectness of political correctness at all.we are not calling them the drunken indians,reservation chiefs,or the wagon burners so whats the racist argument all about?

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 9:37 AM

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Well stated Jay.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 4:36 PM

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saying "Redskins" is as bad as the "N-Word" defeats itself. If the term "Redskins" WAS as bad as the "N-Word", I would argue that we have to substitute "Redskins" with the "R-Word".

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 11:43 AM

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Yes, I agree with your logic!! I think the "we" should include Mr. Costas. His failure to research the etymology makes him seem like a bloviating imbecile.

NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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Name Change Update

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. The Washington Redskins will officially change their name. The team spokesman said in a press release that they decided it was time to no longer be associated with something that represents so much oppression, hatred and cruelty. From now on they will be known as the 'Redskins.'

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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Bravo--Bravo--Bravo

The W-word which WAS a pejorative for Italians, has morphed into a new
pejorative for Washingtonians. [ No more insulted Italians].

I personally think this move is derogatory and insulting to the good citizens of the District of Columbia, especially those who have been loyal fans of Washington pro football. They are already turning in their decades-old season tickets for refunds, because no one wants to buy them. The franchise is going down the tubes.

AND Bob Costas still says "Redskins" is a hurtful, prejudicial pejorative to Native Americans.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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Can't blame them

The stigma associated with the W-word needs to be brought out into the open. Good job Captmax!

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 10:02 AM

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IT IS interesting that we do not hear a lot of static from East Coast Native American associations, threatening to picket at the remaining games, or at NFL HQ.

I think it is a fun exercise to hold up the mirror, and let us see ourselves for the tragically funny society, we have become............

Tragic, because we are letting the country go down the tubes, driven by an intellectually challenged executive branch----------
Funny, because the culture has been captured by fascination with triviality and banality.

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