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3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:32 AM

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As we approach the tenth anniversary of 9/11, we are being treated to the ravings of the liberal press, the politically correct, and the naive christian and jewish clergy. But what do we hear from the Islamic clergy in the USA?----calm, cool, "let us reason together" philosophy. And what is this all about?? A minister of a 50 person Florida church, has set the 9/11 anniversary as an occasion for burning korans--so that we do not forget what the "peaceful" Islamic religion supported and the "peaceful" Islamic people celebrated, all around the world on that day, ten years ago.

The bleeding PC hearts, from Obama and Clinton down to the "one-world, can't we all get along" Libs, are excoriating that minister and his parishoners, and all the while, at one and the same time, the international Islamo-literalist/extremist community threatens us with the usual jihadist reprisals if we permit this koran burning to occur. The tactics of the US muslim clergy however, is to try to con the US public with their peace and reason approach, while intimating that to permit this exercise of free speech would severely damage our international standing.

Are we really as stupid and gullible as to buy into such BS!!?? You bet. A good example is General Petraeus' pronouncement that the koran burning could very well endanger our troops and spoil our mission progress in Afghanistan. Folks---does anyone with any intelligence believe that our troops are NOT in danger right now!? And how about our level of present mission success??

Once more, I remind us all of the Taqquia. The worldwide jihadists will use any deception to gain control of any situation that could result in another small step for jihad and another giant step for Islam: Threats of dire terror on one side of the world, and calm reason in our midst.

We know that the muslim religion is the "beard" for a socio-economic/political system whose goal is despotic, worldwide domination. It appears to me that the koran is the how-to-do-it manual which supports the tactics and strategy necessary to achieve that ultimate goal. As such, I understand the religious rationale for Pastor Terry Jones and his Gainsville congregation expressing themselves and their concerns symbolically, as they have said they will do. I cannot help feeling, however, that in doing so, they are playing into the hands of the Islamo-extremist strategists, who will proclaim that Islam can expect more of the same, and therefore, extreme and violent reprisal measures are necessary and justified, so as not to lose "face" or ground, internationally .[If I remember correctly, this is the Rahm Emanuel [Obama's Chief of Staff] strategy; "never let the opportunity of a good crisis be lost"]

I used to be amazed when I heard folks supporting their fellow congregants to bring their guns to church. I will no longer be amazed. We may be entering a new homeland defense era, which will require a defense plan for churches and synogogues. I hope I am wrong.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:02 AM

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Burning the Koran

does nothing but add fuel to the fire, legitimizing future attacks. I understand where these folks are coming from but I feel that it accomplishes nothing. The Islamic-extremists will always find something to legitimize their actions so in the big picture I doubt this whole Koran burning thing matters a hell of a lot , but there is something about poking a sleeping lion with a sharp stick that doesn't sit well with me.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:11 AM

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who are saying don't burn, but nearly every right wing pundit in the country, from Hannity to Limbaugh. Here's what one says:

"Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.

Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?"

Jones is just an attention seeking nutcase. I would put him in the same league as the Baptist Church that protests American servicemen;s funerals saying they deserved to die.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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LLE has posted a bright and literate endorsement of the burning.. Due to our friend "sortatough" bringing this to us last week we were on the leading edge in terms of awareness of this issue..

LLE has a good point RE: the response to Petraeus's "troop danger" argument.. That being said if we don't want the "stan" to be another Vietnam we either build a nation there are we fail.. I can't see this helping that cause..

Ask yourself what you would do if you were in the presence of the almighty at the time..

I'll leave the obvious unsaid.. This is a hard one guys, and i think the only answer everyone would endorse is a trade.. The Mosque is not built at ground zero... and the Koran is not burned.

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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I understand

religious persecution, being of Mormon decent. It wasn't to awfully long ago that we were run out of Nauvoo Illinois (by fleabear's decedents no doubt)...LOL!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:31 AM

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The planned action by the minister in Florida is of a kind with the actions of Adolf Hitler, and with those of the Taliban. It will be an act of religious intolerance. The intolerance and hatred shown so far by the Reverend Jones indicate that were he a native of Afghanistan or Pakistan, he would be a member of the Taliban.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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Quoran burning my take

I am on the fence on this one.
Maybe it is time someone did something to show these Islamic radicals and weenie Libs, that there are some strong Americans.
This pastor bought & paid for these Quorans and is burning them on his own property. I do think he is protected by the 1st Amendment on this.
The quoran is a vile and despicable book. When the Quoran is updated it then supercedes any previous passage. So an act of kindness and understanding can now be an act of terrorism.
They are given the right to lie, murder and terrorize to bring Islamic Law into World Domination.
Our troops are already in harms way, so batten down the hatches and pass the ammo men.
As I write this I side more with the pastor, but I do feel sorry for the minority few that are followers of Muhammad who are peaceful and caring people. Just too bad that they are in the minority.
There is no right or wrong to this situation. Let's see how it plays out and if the Feds step in on Saturday or not.
Does anyone remember Waco or RubyRidge.
Waco was a psuedo religious endeavor and "Shake & Bake" Reno under Bill Clifton burned them out! And now Bill Clifton's wife Bitchface Clifton is using her holier than now tactics. Where was she when they burned Waco down?
And yes I know how to spell Clinton, I just refuse to acknowledge him or her correctly!

Now back to my garage cleaning an exercise in futility.

3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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When the koran and haddith are read, from the frame of reference of the theology of the judeo-christian tradition, we have a perceptual difficulty. As many writers have pointed out, all three of the major religious documents[Koran, Old Testament, and New Testament] contain writings that reflect approval of violent behavior. However, from the point of view of those of the judeo-christian tradition, only the faithful practitioners of Islam seem to put such official pre/proscriptions into actual violent practice, in our modern times. So where is the PEACE part of this "peaceful religion"? Is it a religion at all, or is it Sharia law, with references to approval of the diety??

If true believers of the Islamic faith are directed, as soldiers in the army of allah, to participate in worldwide jihad, in any way possible, including stoning, maiming, torturing, cutting off limbs, and murdering those who have fallen from the faith, or those who disdain the faith, am I to be considered RELIGIOUSLY INTOLERANT to consider this abhorent to any standards of human behavior? Am I to be compared to Adolph Hitler or the Taliban, because I cannot accept such behavior? Is a person who believes such behavior [as well as the Sharia Law that underpins such behavior], is absolutely unacceptable-- gulty of religious prejudice??

So, one might at least understand how Terry Jones, from his perspective, believes that, as he put it, "Islam is of the Devil".

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 1:52 PM

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Nice post.....something that all American should think about.I am on the fence like SamD and agree with Schuyler in that Reverend, Preacher,or Pastor(what ever he calls himself)is a bit of attention seeking nutcase extremetis, himself.........As for placing our troops in more danger.COME ON!!!The Obama idiots think we are the stupid.You can't place them in any more danger than they already are.General Petraeus...be a man and stand up for your troops......You just want to keep you job by agreeing with the wacko adminstration in Washington.Terrorist don't need any more reasons to do their wicked work.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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Muslim, especially if they have no familiarity at all with the Muslim world. Here's a fact you must deal with: There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. That's about 1/4 of the world's population. I think it is reasonable to suggest that we must find a way to deal with the Muslim world that does not involve killing them all or alienating them into what we think they all are already, i.e.; all 1.5 billion with daggers wanting to see us dead. There's a joke in the IT field.l It's called "The Chinese Factor" It is this: 1 billion Chinese don't give a shit what you do. Same thing here, but they DO give a shit.

I may have a small advantage in that I have actually talked with Muslims. I've talked with the garbage collector at archaeological sites (who was thoroughly pissed off at Saddam Hussein) and the taxi driver at Ephesus (He drove a cherry 1963 Chevrolet Bel Air) and the "7/11" proprietor who sold me wine in Ismir. We laughed because we couldn't understand each other, but we both knew numbers on a calculator. (Remember Muslims don't use alcohol, right?) I've talked with the machine gun totting policeman who wanted to intimidate me, and the tour director who spoke English as well as I do. I talked with the museum guard who absolutely delighted in American tourists because we respected their collections, unlike the British, who have the Crown Jewels and unlike the Germans, who look upon Turks as an inferior race. Do you understand this? The Muslim Turks like Americans better than Brits or Germans! And I bought several pounds of saffron from a guy in the spice market who grew up in the Bronx. There was the food service worker who liked my mustache. And having had those conversations (and they were political in nature) I've come to a conclusion.

And that it that it is in our best interests to encourage the practice of Islam as it is done in Turkey up until recently. They are having a difficult time now because some of the fundamentalists are attempting to take over. Perhaps a little history is in order.

Turkey is a secular state with a Muslim majority religion just like the USA is a secular state with a Christian majority. Modern Turkey was designed and built by a guy named Mustaf Ataturk, (Father of Turkey) He was a WW I general who rose to power after the war. Here's what he did. He established a secular state. He abandoned Arabic for a brand new Turkish alphabet based on western letters. He made everyone learn the new alphabet. He banned harems. He almost single-handedly built modern Turkey on the western model of governance. He reduced the impact of Islam and increased the impact of the secular state (and the Army, we must admit.)

When you walk down the streets of Istanbul today, as I did a few years ago, you see women dressed in fashionable western clothes, many showing knees and cleavage. There is not a Burkah in sight. You see a thoroughly modern metropolis and yeah, there are many mosques. I walked through the Blue Mosque, the biggest mosque in the world and I walked through Agia Sophia, one of the oldest Christian churches in the world. I woke up to the 5:00 am call for prayer. The ozone would crackle in the air when they turned the speakers on. You knew it was coming. When we overloaded a taxi cab I had a Muslim woman sit on my lap for the ride, giggling the whole way.

If you believe what is written in this country you would think all Muslim women wear Burkhas and all Muslim men run around with a copy of Sharia Law wanting to implement it across the entire world. You would think all 1.5 billion Muslims are jihadist fanatics. That's not true. The Muslim person on the street is just like you and me. He only has one wife. He doesn't pray five times a day; he doesn't even go to a mosque. He works hard to make a living, avoids politics, and does the best he can. Not much difference, really.

I know what it feels like when someone burns an American flag. I feel anger. I want revenge. I know the Reverend with his 30 followers has the right to burn the Koran just as the Muslims have the "right" to build a mosque. Both are grandstanding. If this guy weren't burning Korans he would be a nobody. To me it's not a question of "rights" but of doing the "right thing." If Jones burns his Korans will you feel better? If his actions, sure to be reported by our Lamestream Media worldwide, touch off riots, will you feel vindicated? When the leftie loonies point and say, "See, I told you the right is full of haters and this is the proof." will that help you win elections in November? Will burning the Koran and have it blamed on the Right convince the vast majority of independents in the middle to vote conservative?

I think you have to answer these questions not from a point of anger in your heart, but from a realistic point of view considering what the best move is in this chess game. How do we best promote our conservative agenda? How do we regain control of this country and its foreign policy? How do we reassert ourselves as a force for good in the world? What is the best thing for us to do to turn this country around?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
3 years 43 weeks ago, 2:24 PM

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Schuyler

well spoken as always!

3 years 43 weeks ago, 2:29 PM

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On the fence,

hell yeah I'm on the fence as well after what those bastards did on 9/11. If it were up to me I would nuke most of the middle east and be done with it, but I know that is not really a feasible option, but as a Patriotic American I yearn for just such a thing to happen. One of the problems with Islam is that they go way, way beyond proselytizing.....You are with us or you die....Period!

I think it would be acceptable if they wanted to keep their little religious "club" in the middle east but this business of spreading it across the globe sucks.....Hmmm!!!!!! Sound's familiar, at the risk of being the devils advocate.........This sounds a lot like Christianity at a certain point in history, many a war has been fought over religion, something to think about.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 2:36 PM

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Yeah Hamp it's not feasable until we figure out how to nuke the whole mid east without harming the oil.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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As usual

Just when my redneck blood reaches boil, Schuy and his voice of reason, like a thermostat, cools me off enough to stay "on the fence".
LLE has the same effect. Thanks guys!
I still wanna burn a koran, I just don't reckon I ought to advertise it.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:34 PM

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if this preacher,realizing the enormity of the moment,chose not to burn the koran,what a captive audience he would have,clinging to his every word would/will be world leaders,men and women of great stature,millions of citizens from countries all over the world, following every religion, will be watching/waiting for what he does.
He ought to have one hell of a sermon prepared.I would if i was him,and i'd skip the zippo attack.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:37 PM

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till the sermon is over! Keep 'em guessing or you lose them.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:47 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 3:52 PM

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I could not be more pleased.
I too hope the Mulims keep their word.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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Koran burn "off"

is what I'm hearing from CNN......breaking news....haven't seen whole story yet....6:39 EST

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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since the good Rev. Jones called it off. May I clarify on my own behalf a few points. In introducing the subject I did not mean to support the book burning, itself. If I gave that impression, I apologize. I did mean to support free speech and freedom of religious belief [regardless of whether I personally believed in Rev. Jones' version].
As for Schuy's personal vision of the 1.5 billion--there are many born into the faith who are "fallen away", and these have been so numerous as to prevent the "religion police" from finding them all, secreted away in every corner of the earth. But if found, the choice is to come back to the faith in all aspects--OR ELSE. The "or else" includes potential mayhem and murder for family members. I submit that a muslim person caught by the religion police may behave just like Schuy's muslim man in the street, but he/she is now a LOT different inside, than you or me!!
Further, IMO, there IS no chess game, or at the very least, our side of the board is woefully short of players, because we are not smart enough to realize the powercenters in radical Islam are playing us against the strategy of Huddaibyya.[already described earlier in one of my posts]. They will continue to use the Taqquian tactics to make us think "progress" is being made, all the while gaining more and more strength around the world, right under our noses. Their first big triumph will be to disinform, misinform and outlast us, and then try to take Israel, with the help of Iranian [and possibly North Korean] weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear exchanges. Even if they should fail because of our intervention, they will have shown the world the lengths to which worldwide jihad will go---challenge the "great Satan", wound him terribly, and perhaps eradicate Israel.

The reality of the situation is that worldwide jihad is an existential challenge for the entire free world, and most of our free world leadership does not have the acumen and sense of reality which says---" we better start playing the futurism game on the Cray computer--time is growing very short." That is the cause of anger in MY heart, because there very well may not be a country left to turn around.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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They have yet to

see the American 'Jihad', unencumbered by politics and such (as it were).....As an American Patriot, they should not doubt my 'resolve' and be afraid, very afraid because I am prepared to kick ass and I ain't taking any names.........Most of my weapons are 'old' but many are 'state of the art' so to speak and I for one "ain't fucki'n around" I will NOT tolerate this shit, if I can help it!!!!!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:26 PM

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It's still hard to believe with all the shit
going on in the world right now the
stupid Liberals still have gun control
high on their agenda.
But I guess that's why they are the leftist

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:31 PM

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I hear 'ya CW

'ya gotta have a note from the Queen to buy a fucking shotgun and the violent crime rate is out of sight because guess what? The criminals can still get their guns, what part of that can't the fucking Liberals understand?

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:06 PM

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AMEN Hamp

If anyone has any doubts, just fucking try me!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:31 PM

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In America,

there is a gun behind every blade of grass, Isoroku Yamamoto had that shit figured out back in the early to mid 40's. There is a big difference between 'fighting our Government' and 'fighting our country'!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:42 PM

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9/11. I figure you guys are the types who thwarted the hijackers on United 93.
I also figure the terroroists know there is a bunch more of those types throughout this land!

I will never forget that day.
News channels and web news all day.
The regulations and protections for power companies directly resulting from that are immense.
try attacking a generation or distribution station, see how many uniforms you wind up looking at in the next 6 hours!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:38 PM

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Rev. Jones says he was lied to by New York Imam Rauf. He says he was promised that the mosque site would be moved. But Rauf says he never negotiated or promised such a thing. Now Jones is reconsidering the koran burning on 9/11.

Let's suppose that Rev. Jones is not nearly as emotionally challenged or desirous of gaining media attention as many believe. If that were the case, this development would sound like Jones was "had" by a true believer; Rauf tells the public that, "we are here to extend our hand to build peace and harmony", while he cleverly demonstrates Jones' image as a sick, deranged man........ Not too bad a manipulative job by a cleric of the religion of peace.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:47 PM

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where and how this plays out will be the definitive action by the muslims.Take heed all,this is where it will stand.You decide how you will play it out.

3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:05 AM

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Your mission is [now] to keep this site safe from the ravages of the kooks, pinkos, fake japanese war heroes, Liberal rabble rousers, and pseudo-intellectual/pedantic snobs [like me] LMBFAO.

Having said all of that, I have a question. Do I sight-in my black 5.56 rifle the same way as I always have for others? [ I am concerned about how high above the barrel level, the sights are]
And how come I cannot seem to find an adjustment for the front sight?[ I know--I am probably too old and feeble to see it]

After weeks of study, and suggestions from folks here on the site, the consensus seems to be that "on" at 25 meters will get me "on" at about 250 meters. That's what I am going to shoot for when the weather cools down a little.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:33 PM

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Burn the Quran!

I like them sheet wearing Muslim/Islamic sweetie pies. May Chocolate syrup be smeared on each and everyone of them.and I will hug them and hold them and hug them and hold them forever
From the ultimate Infidel.
Come and get it luvvy.

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LMFAO...samD...

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Fuck them sheet wearing Muslim/Islamic assholes. May Pork blood be smeared on each and everyone of them.
From the ultimate Infidel.
Come and get it fuckheads.

you are a artist of understatement

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:19 AM

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what you really think!!

I just noticed your location is listed as Green Valley. If I had known that when I was writing "the story", I'd have put you in it.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

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Sam, you sir

are a true word smith....lol!

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the consumption of a nice bottle of Merlot...LOL

3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:16 AM

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okay burn it

fuck 'em all.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:54 AM

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im so sick of all this. the LE here is going to bill that church for having to buff up security in gainesville.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:47 AM

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He held up the administration (i know this part doesn't bother me much either, but....) seems he put the word out that "IF" he got a call from someone at the top he might consider backing down on his request.. So basically he just did a hijack number for his 15 min of fame..

Wondering about the precedent that this sets, bottom line its not good.. Fortunately i think he's destroyed his credibility in the process. i guess the whole quid pro quo with the the NYC developer of he site (the Iman or what ever) was old Jim having delusions of grander..

IT's also possible he was paid a visit by some black outfit inside NSA or somehing that pretty much put the law down and this was a way to save a bit of face.. who knows..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
3 years 43 weeks ago, 1:32 AM

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that was planning on doing this, "supposedly" before this FL. Rev. announced that he was. He says he isnt going to stop, whether he's the only one there or not. Im not too sure where I stand on this. I see where this could go completely wrong, and yet, I can see the other side of the spectrum. I really dont know where I am w/ it. Sorry... (This coming from the very opinionated ACE, I know!!) Good Night people!!! Talk to ya'll tomorrow!!!

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 7:12 AM

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Rev. Bob Olds, from Springfield, Tennessee, and he may be more deranged than Terry Jones.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:52 AM

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I don't agree with what Jones wanted to do, but he backed down too easily. It sounds like a set-up. Either that or it got out of hand really fast. Jones is a small town preacher with a tiny congregation. He's a nobody, really. So he spouts off and suddenly he's the center of international attention, satellite news trucks crowding his street, etc. He's out of his league. It's enough to freak you out. Then the FBI gives you a visit and starts talking "hate crime." Yup, I bet he shit his pants.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
3 years 43 weeks ago, 9:23 AM

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wherein the Federal prosecution attempts to prove that the Koran is the inspired word of the Deity, and the defense attempts to demonstrate that the Koran is anti-thetical to contemporary US law because it supports/instructs violence against non-believers.

That gives me an idea for a new stage play.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 43 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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the Great Orator. He was so humiliated by the trial that he died a few days later. So which Gunslot members play which parts? LLE is Director, of course.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:21 AM

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because they are very busy people, and probably would miss rehersals, forget their lines and try to do real-time rewrites just to piss off the author. In addition, if they all came to rehersal "carrying", it could turn into a shootout.,,,,,,definitely not a good idea.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:26 AM

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Yeah, we don't

have many actor "types" around here.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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I hear the food is great on them there movie sets..thats gotta be worth sumtin

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:01 PM

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Ivan, you are right

and I hear you can act like a spoiled child and get away with it as well....lol

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:58 PM

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what could possibly go wrong?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:23 PM

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all who participated. I would also like to explain that I am not aritmetically challenged, and I do realize that today is the NINTH anniversary of 9/11.

As for Rev, Jones, he has had his 15 minutes of fame, and managed to stretch it into a few weeks. But in my opinion, he performed a service for us, no matter how kooky he may have seemed. His overt motivation was that "Islam is of the Devil". While I may not agree with his theology, his position stimulated my thinking, as follows [Pedantic hat is now on]:

The free world leadership insists on a distorted perception of Islam, agreeing that it is a religion of peace. If any of our leadership has actually read the Koran, Haddith and Sharia Law, and they are able to consider these as reflective of a "religion" of peace, these leaders are either intellectually defective, emotionally disturbed or believe that appeasement is the only way to avoid an all-out war, until other solutions can be found. Apparently, they have forgotten the lesson of Neville Chamberlain dealing with Hitler and the Nazis.

I implore you and all patriotic citizens--READ these documents, and you will see a brutally excessive system for controlling the mind and behavior of all people, as well as all socio-economic/political behavior in the world at-large. IMO, no Diety would have created such a system. In fact, it was the creation of the self-appointed "messenger of G-D", whose own brutality and excesses, set the tone for more and more of the same.

IMO we are now at war with this manifest evil, and this war is no different from our war against the axis of WW II, except for the stateless nucleii which help to direct worldwide jihad. This is an existential struggle for all freedom loving people on earth. If we do not take the decisive lead in erradicating this poison, we will have participated in our own demise. Although not from a religious perspective, I predict that if we let Israel fall, we will have participated in giving worldwide jihad their most important victory----a seminal event in the conquering of the world---and we will hear from the Imams, "do not despair--we offer you the 'peace of Saladin' ''.

Let us all remember the TRUE meaning of 9/11.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
3 years 42 weeks ago, 5:26 PM

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BURN AND RELOAD

Speaking of which anyone know of any cheap case ammo for 762x39

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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HUMPMEDUMPME

U alright if I call U HD for short??? I dont know who U go threw right now for ammo, but I go through Sportsmansguide.com and cheaperthatndirt.com. Nitris and Reaper308 are always posting ammo suppliers w sales going on, on here. Also check out Centerfire Systems Inc.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:13 PM

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ok

HD is fine ace much less typing Ive been using cheaper then dirt lately but the last case had way too many loose leads in the case.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:25 PM

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HD you might try

www.ammoman.com they have good deals from time to time and they pay the shipping which is a bonus.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:29 PM

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thx hamp heading over there right as we speak.!!! If i gotta spend may as well be on something worthy!!

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 4:30 PM

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Hump

Keep any eye on Midwayusa.com too.
They run some good specials now and then.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:13 PM

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Ammo, I have

found that you need to keep an eye on at least half a dozen to get the best deals when they arise, some guys are high on some stuff but low on others. The last 7.62X39 I bought from AIM was an absolute steal at 12 cents a round when bought in a case of 1120 rounds, I should have bought two.

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