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2 years 11 weeks ago, 3:37 PM

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Im getting ready to purchase my first handgun, The only gun i currently own a Remington 870 express. I have two guns im very interested in purchasing they are the Rock Island 1911 .45 and the Glock 19 im not gonna be picky about the whole 9mm vs 45 debate. I have always like 1911 but im starting to like glocks because their reliability and ammo capacity (although i live in cali so 10 round max). The reason im choosing these guns is they are in my price range and i like both weapons. I know that 1911 are more to maintain. Which would you pick if going back and buying your first handgun?

2 years 11 weeks ago, 8:32 PM

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Glocks are good for a first time hand gun, and they come in any caliber you want and easy to field strip. 1911s are also great but a little more tricky to field strip. If you can I would try to shoot them both and see which one you like better and fits your needs before getting one. Also welcome to Gunslot.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 8:22 PM

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It comes down to what you're more comfortable with. That said, a G19 was my first pistol. You can't go wrong with a glock. ^^^ CoalTrain is right. They're simple, reliable, and easy to maintain. 1911's are great shooters, but my vote goes to the glock 19 for a first.... then get a 1911.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 8:42 PM

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I'm gonna agree with CT and Reaper. (I know, WTF!) The Glock is a good bit simpler.
The main reason I say Glock is the ammo. Pistols are not the easiest weapons to master. Practice is required. 9mm is gonna get you roughly twice as much ammo for the same money.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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for the G19 as a first gun,ammo price being cheaper,reliability,ease of maintenance/field strip.The 1911 is a great gun too but....get the Glock and practice.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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LBC is correct. Start out with a Glock, or even better yet, get and XD from Springfield and get used to it. Great way to start your collection. Depending on your budget, you can work your way up to a nice 1911 or a Sig Sauer.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 2:04 AM

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Yep.. 9 is cheaper.. you already have a wingmaster so we can assume you know the whole read, write and count to 10 thing.. but a model 19 or 66 smith (357 K frame in blue or stainless).. shoot 38's cheap as 9 (bit more power) .. Go to the big boy when needed.. ALWAYS work.. In cali it's not an issue of double stack mags, so..

Glocks are great.. except for that whole lacking in "soul" thing.. oh yeah and the fact that a lot of the owners are closet cross dressers..

BP check on those still standing.. i was actually issued a Glock for over a decade, so i can tell you without trying to kid others that they have to be the most reliable auto made..

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 9:02 AM

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he has an 870 express,not a wingmaster.He was asking for a comparison of the RI 1911 and G19,not a 66 smith (357 K frame in blue or stainless)..

I have a 870 express and a G19,and a lovely pair of open-toed flats that match beautifully with either weapon.Accessorize!

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 12:18 PM

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missed the express.. never had one, had a wingmaster i really liked.. and YEEESSS i saw the RIA /Glock question.. Figured i'd do my official dino act and push a wheel gun..

Have new glasses coming from the VA.. Pretty cool, you get a free pair every year.. I'm going to be able to pick Gloria out in a crowd now as opposed to yelling "anyone of you women married to me"..

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I knew you were sneaking a wheel gun into the mix,laughed my ass off.Wish the VA would give me a pair o"glasses,i do get a free eye exam every year from them( goes like this...yep you need glasses to read still) gotta love the VA.

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2 years 11 weeks ago, 11:13 AM

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Shoot both guns, then decide. It's the only way to really know.

2 years 11 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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Get the glock 9mm 1st. Learn to shoot well, then move to a 1911. I used a beretta 92 for 20 years before I got a 1911. A well aimed shoot from a 9mm beats a bad shot from a .45. Glocks are also easier to take care of. Start simple and work your way up. I will throw it out there that you can get the glock in .45. I have the g 21 and I love it.

2 years 11 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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Never owned a Glock. Shot several of them, liked the 21 best. Carried a Smith M&P40 for the last few years that I worked, until I retired, never had a problem. Plenty of power, and easy to handle. Bigger than a 9, less recoil than than a 45. Carry one now all the time everywhere I go.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 9:58 PM

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Now having said that, I will admit they are great guns. They're just not great for me. 99% of the time I will defend the 1911 with my last breath, however I have a lot of trigger time. Between the 2, for a first..... I have to grudgingly admit the glock is a better choice. I said it, and will prob never say again, so take a screen shot. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 10:50 AM

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Glock vs. 1911

OK, how many did I draw just on that title? lol

Like Ronin, I am a lover of St. Browning's masterpiece. And I don't like Glocks personally.

That being said, I would agree with the community consensus. MOSTLY. But I would say, if you can, go try them on. Rent them at the range if you can. Better yet, if know someone who has them, ask to go shooting. Then decide which one felt right for you.
As far as the recoil thing, I myself don't think there is that much of a difference between 9 and 45.
Then again, my 9mm shooting has been in lighter polymers and my .45 has been in heavy steel, so...

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LOL, so basically it goes back to shoot them both and then decide.

2 years 10 weeks ago, 11:44 AM

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Yeah, that's pretty much the advice I'll always give. We all have our opinions on which brand is better than what, but it's mostly personal preference. The best pistol in the one in your hand that you can hit your mark with.

The only time I think I'd deviate from this is when someone asks, "I'm thinking about getting a Hi point or a Springfield, what do you think?" lol

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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Yeah, I think I would probably give the same answer you would. I'm a 1911 guy, so I tend to recommend them to anyone looking for the best handgun money can buy, but, it all comes down to what you do your best stuff with.

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So how many of us stopped at just one gun? Get the glock and then save up to get the 1911. However, if you can only choose one, then the glock makes the most sense. User friendly and over 2 times the capacity. It really is a no brainer.

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Yes, and also prone to accidental discharges during the process of holstering and unholstering, especially in the hands of someone not trained (though I do know of plenty of professional cops who've had an AD in the same way.) For that reason alone I don't think a Glock should be anyone's first handgun. But, in the end it comes down to shooting them both, getting used to the both, and making the choice that's best for him. Though, if 350Skylark is still reading this, I might suggest looking at the Springfield XD and XDm models, that have the safety functions of both the Glock and the 1911 and have a lot of the features everyone so loves in the Glock. Does cost a little more though.

Oh, and nobody here I know of bought one then stopped in answer to your question, lol.

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then the glock makes the most sense. User friendly and over 2 times the capacity. It really is a no brainer.

I generally carry a 1911, no spare mag. 8 rounds total.... Wanna guess how many times I've ran out of ammo? ZERO! This tells me one of 2 things.... Either you hang out in the wrong places, or you need more time at the range. I honestly believe picking a gun for a novice shooter based on capacity is a bad idea. I learned to shoot with a single shot rifle, and hunted with it also. If I couldn't make the shot with one bullet, I had no business pulling the trigger to begin with. Sometimes, less is more.

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coppertop wrote:
then the glock makes the most sense. User friendly and over 2 times the capacity. It really is a no brainer.
I generally carry a 1911, no spare mag. 8 rounds total.... Wanna guess how many times I've ran out of ammo? ZERO! This tells me one of 2 things.... Either you hang out in the wrong places, or you need more time at the range. I honestly believe picking a gun for a novice shooter based on capacity is a bad idea. I learned to shoot with a single shot rifle, and hunted with it also. If I couldn't make the shot with one bullet, I had no business pulling the trigger to begin with. Sometimes, less is more.

LMAO Ronin, you hit the nail on the head. I agree with you 100%.

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I got this off another forum...

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March 10, 2012 at 10:16
I got carjacked while carrying a Kimber Ultra Carry .45 loaded with 7 + 1, and one extra 7 round mag in the truck. After the gunfire ended the dude was driving off with my extra mag and I was left in the parking lot with 2 rounds left in the gun.

Before the spray and pray crowd gets their panties in an knot, two of the six I fired would have hit him had they kept going, and considering it was a moving target at night, not bad for real world SHTF shooting with a short barreled handgun. One entered the rear window molding, went through the crew cap seat in the back and then struck the front drivers seat in the upper left (lung) area. It stopped about 3/4 of the way through the front seat. (Winchester Ranger SXT, circa 1999) The other that woulda shoulda struck him was deflected by the side impact bar in the driver’s door. The other four hit the truck but would not have hit him. This bad dude was involved in a shootout with Houston PD officers two weeks later. Result was two officers shot and 22 rounds fired into the other stolen truck he was driving. He was hit by glass fragments and escaped again. He was arrested a week after that and is now cooling his heals in the pokey…where I hope he is getting what the name inplies.

Yeah, I should have had the extra magazine on my person, and I usually do, just one of those complacency things that gets people in a pickle. And yes, it was embarrasing as a cop to be the victim of a car jacking…my truck was six days old.
Complacency kills…lesson learned. How much ammo should you have? You can have too much to drink, you can have too much to eat, but you can Never have too much ammo.

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luckybychoice wrote:
I got this off another forum...

Joseph says:
you can Never have too much ammo.

Unless you are swimming or on fire : )

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/nyregion/08nypd.html?_r=1&pagewanted=p...
This is an interesting report.

"...¶In such shootings, the total number of shots fired in each situation edged up to 4.7 in 2006. However, the figure is skewed by the 50 shots fired in the Bell case. Excluding that case, the average would be 3.6 shots."
That seems to more accurately describe the "Real World".

Lucky, it's interesting to me that when cops switched over to "Super 9s" the number of rounds fired did not go up by much. Maybe they had to pay for their own bullets :<)

The stats do not show a great need for high capacity since on average you could participate in 5 different gunfights with one magazine of ammo LOL!

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Third that. I know it's possible to get into a situation where you need more. But that is a very small chance and I figure that then my pistol is for a fighting retreat to more ammo and/or other firepower.

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would not allow students more than one round at a time until they could shoot a decent group.

Kinda like "If the job's worth doing it's worth doing right". Or "do it right the first time."
High capacity mags are nice but I won't need one unless Mara Salvatrucha decides to own my home. :<)

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Yep

That's how my dad taught me how to shoot a handgun when I was just little.

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Or a S&W m&p. However, if the glock has an AD, they had a finger on the trigger. Good fire arms discipline should be followed at all times. These complaints have always been thrown at the glock. Operator error, no more no less.

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Maybe, but "Good fire arms discipline" only comes with training and experience, which still leads me to think a Glock is a bad idea for a first gun. But, this is just my opinion.

Not sure about the S&W M&P having never shot one, but I know Tampa PD is carrying them now and they seem happy with them after converting from the Glock.

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in 9mm,with the money you save over the first year of shooting 9 rather than 45 you can afford a handgun course to make you a better shooter.After two years of shooting the 9mm,the money you save will get you an advanced pistol tactics course,After three years of shooting the 9mm,the money you save from not shooting .45 ammo will get you another 9mm gun.

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Just because I bring up capacity doesn't mean spray and pray. It just means that I can stay in the fight while you reload. I have 1911 and love it, but like tools, I have several that are better at different jobs. Some of you guys are so married to one platform, that you can't see the forest for the trees. An armed encounter is not a bulls eye contest and is not forgiving. I just like having the right tool at the right time. With my g 21, I have 13 rounds of .45 ready to go with no reload. When my life and my family's in the balance, I'll take any advantage I can.

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coppertop wrote:
Just because I bring up capacity doesn't mean spray and pray. It just means that I can stay in the fight while you reload. I have 1911 and love it, but like tools, I have several that are better at different jobs. Some of you guys are so married to one platform, that you can't see the forest for the trees. An armed encounter is not a bulls eye contest and is not forgiving. I just like having the right tool at the right time. With my g 21, I have 13 rounds of .45 ready to go with no reload. When my life and my family's in the balance, I'll take any advantage I can.

Just what kind of situation are you planning on getting into? Short of combat, I really can't see a situation where you need that many rounds. While it is possable that you may encounter a group of armed individuals, usually once you shoot one or two, they tend to run away. Don't know about you, but where I live, you keep shooting then it goes from defense to manslaughter or murder real quick. My point being, ammo aval and reliability should be considered along with how if feels... Mag capacity is dead last.

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Exactly Ronin

All that extra ammo can be a disadvantage as well, Coppertop. If you are holding the pistol up and ready for an extended period of time, the extra weight could fatigue your arm and cause you to lower it when you should have it up and ready, esp. if you have to hold a perp until someone else shows. I know that's not a very good example, but really it holds as much as needing more than a couple of rounds because you're going to be in some extended firefight. Also, the high cap mags make for a wider grip. That's a factor too. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe not. It depends on each shooter.

But like Ronin said, I would think that mag capacity would be at the very bottom of considerations.

Besides, 7+1 was enough for the US military for 74 years. ;)

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Do me a favor. Re-read the whole thread. Aside from Greg suggesting revolvers, 90% of us 1911 lovers broke rank and went with the Glock. The rest is just idle banter over inane off topic stuff.
Back to the original question. Glock 9mm or 1911 .45 for a first handgun?
Get the Glock and never let it go. (emphasis on the period)
It'll serve you well and ammo and magazines will be available no matter where or when.
After the shine wears off and a guy is ready for a new pistola, grab a 1911 and enjoy a different flavor of koolaide. : ) All good guys. Capacity has it's advantages. I still LOVE Samuel Colt's single action six shooters with the hammer on an empty chamber.

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I would as a rule reccommend a revolver as a first handgun, as they're easier in function than an automatic. My statement was merely based on the idea that the asker had already settled on a semi-auto and my thoughts about the Glock in the hands of an untrained shooter. If a revolver is even in play I think that's a great idea! Especially if you go with a small Taurus or S&W .38, .357, whatever. Just my two cents.

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but semi-autos are the flavor of the day amongst gun nuts.
A nice little .22 or a heavy .38 wheel gun for light recoil, good stuff. In the back of my mind I still think
beginners should go easy at first :<)

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than a revolver.I don't get your logic.maybe you could explain how a revolver is safer for a new shooter.

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Revolvers are totally visable mechanisms. Shooter sees everything going on as they load, cock and fire, not so with semi-autos. For beginners that is a plus. If you don't see logic in that there's no need to try explaining it further.

Question: Why do states require people who qual for CC with revolvers only carry revolvers?

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so lets forget about sight alignment/sight picture and watch the cylinder spin,weeeeeee! that's laughable stuff there.

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daisycutter wrote:
Revolvers are totally visable mechanisms. Shooter sees everything going on as they load, cock and fire, not so with semi-autos. For beginners that is a plus. If you don't see logic in that there's no need to try explaining it further.

Question: Why do states require people who qual for CC with revolvers only carry revolvers?
Not in Missouri, you shoot any auto and any revolver to qualify for CCW. I used my walther p 22 and my single six .22 to qualify. Now I can carry whatever gun I want.

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I'm not sure if this is what Daisy was getting at, but in my mind a revolver is safer not necessarily from accidental discharge, but from malfunction. A FTF, FTE, or worse frame compromise (AKA kerblooey) is more likely in a semi-auto than a revolver. OK, I concede the last one (kerblooey) is a stretch. It may not be more likely (wheel guns blow up too), but maybe more likely to cause injury. A wheel gun will likely blow the top strap. The semi will blow out near the ejection port.
But I admit none of these are likely enough to warrant altering my decision on a handgun purchase.

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I prefer my Ruger .44 superblackhawk for my favorite all around gun,but just like clothes i have guns that fill specific purpose,lately i have been carrying my .25 Beretta more than anything due to clothing and work( yeah i'm packing heat while operating an excavator,company has no policy so i use my policy of staying armed,only a little heat tho :)

I'm bailing on the argument tho,i still carry an extra magazine for the .25

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or two.
If I were going out looking for my very first handgun:
Your first hand gun should be something easy to use, easy on the nerves and cheap to feed.
9mm is nice. At least two of us on this site owned 1911's as our first guns. .45's are nice too BUT,
may I recommend that you consider a high quality, accurate and comfortable to shoot .22?
Quality and accuracy is important to keep a new shooter from getting pissed off at the gun and themselves.
You can find older Colt Woodsman and similar Brownings used and in good to very good condition at reasonable prices.
I've owned two Ruger .22 autos, both good guns, cheap to buy and use.

If you don't have a shooting coach bad habits can develop and be very hard to get rid of. The .22s are less likely to cause bad habits to form.
Since I don't know anything about you I can only toss my opinion out there for your consideration. :<)

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 11:02 AM

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I agree with daisy cutters advice. A good .22 auto will let you have lots of practice for 4 cents a round. Used to own a Browning 22 pistol years ago. Regret selling it. Daisy is right about picking up bad habits with a higher power pistol. My Glock 23 allthough I like it, is snappy in 40 SW. I new shooter can get bad habits like flinching or pulling trigger instead of squeezing, or too tight a grip. If you can only have one pistol 9mm is mild in a full size pistol, or 38 special in a full size .357 revolver. Don,t do any good to get a 1911 if you can.t hit anything with it.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 1:24 PM

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Daisy..

I agree that if it's your first pistol, and your only reason for owning is to learn and plinking, a .22 is perfect. However, I would never trust my like to a .22 except as last resort. I'm not starting that whole "is a .22 a deadly round" thing. I KNOW a .22 can kill, but leaves a lot of factors in the mix. Coppertop said he would want every advantage in protecting his family, and I agree... BUT, I personally feel that a bigger heavier bullet is more of an advantage that more smaller ones. I feel that a hi-cap mag does lead to more rounds being fired than absolutely needed. If I was shooting in my house, I would be terrified of pulling the trigger once! I know what my house is made of, and NOTHING will stop a bullet. I have also seen 9mm punch a hole through a person and just keep going. Yes, it was ball ammo, but the 9mm travels almost twice the speed of the .45. Screw it..... Buy an 870 and be done with it,.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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Ronin, right on!

The best gun is the one that fits you...
My concealed carry is a .380, more than enough for the "average gunfight". I practice often shooting at 25 yards. If I can keep them all fairly well in the black that's good enough.
I've fired about 300 rounds of .380 over the past 4 months. I'm good enough I think I can cut back on that expensive habit now :<) Used one box of Telammo, never again LOL!
I think the self defense instructors are correct, pick out YOUR carry gun and practice, practice, practice.
I've used up some .45ACP and a little .38SPL at the same time but I don't carry those anymore.
Even though statistically the .22 is a good self defense round I'm with you on that, not enough meat on them to give me confidence.
For next to the bed at night, Screw it..... Buy an 870 and be done with it,. You're right again :<)

I'm VERY disappointed in myself now, I had a website URL that gave amazing stats on all calibers in actual shootings---and I lost it, darn me!

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 6:36 PM

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I posted this at the bottom, because I am lazy and hate having to scroll through all the reply's.

I learned on a 1911. I tried out a Smith model 27, that is what my father was issued. The revolver did not fit my hand. The grip is different. I believe the weapon you are using to protect yourself and your loved ones needs to be like an extension of your body. I did not feel it with the revolver.

Another problem I have with a revolver is malfunctions. Because they are few and far between, most people never drill malfunctions.

+1 with Daisycutter on feel for weapon. Then get the Glock

clint

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:48 AM

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Revolver malfunction

Clint I used to shoot a 44mag Super Blackhawk.
Liked to load to the max . we called it "Balls to the Walls"
Problem with that is bulging primers in a single action
locks it up and working on a loaded gun is never safe.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:56 AM

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Revolver malfunction

I've fire thousands of rounds in a revolver
and other than bulging primers in hand loads
the only malfunction I ever had was with a worn
out Webley that was out of time but it was still
fun to shoot.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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I have to respond to some of the comments. I don't go looking for trouble and avoid putting myself into those situations. The gun I carry depends on several factors. Half the time, I carry my PPK .380 and it only has 7 shots. But, if I could only have 1 gun, what would I choose. I'm sorry but it would be my glock 21. Now about the whole 1 shot and your safe defense. To claim self defense you have to be in fear of your life. Only shooting 1 shot could be looked at as deliberate. Just think about it, you were so afraid that you only shot once. The natural reaction of many people is to fire until the gun empties, think buck fever in hunting. If you don't think that can happen, just wait until they use it against Zimmerman. Using the average from a previous post of 3.6, there were still a lot of times that multiple shots were fired. The FBI went to autos after that bank robbery in the 80s. The point is that we don't know what we're going to find ourselves facing out there. Several posts said that they carry a 1911 and a spare mag. Ok, that is about 14 to 16 rounds. That is the same as my glock with just the 1 mag. It just means that I can carry less stuff. As far as weight goes, my 1911 with 7 rounds is about the same as my glock with 13 rounds, the power of plastic. Guys up until 8 months ago, I was a Beretta and 1911 guy. I didn't like the glocks that I had shot so far. I found this g 21 sf and it felt good. I bought it and have changed my mind about glocks. As far as a first handgun, he will have to be careful and exercise good firearms discipline. He has a shotgun already, so he should know the basics. I have been teaching my wife how to shoot and it has been better on the glock for the simple fact that there are no external safeties to work, just point and shoot. Maybe he should start with a wheel gun, but that was not what he asked. The truth be told, I would tell him to get a S&W M&P 9mm. My mom has one and it shoots great. I would have gotten that in .45, but it only carries 10 rounds. I wanted a high capacity .45 as I already had a 1911. The question of the best gun is like what is the best truck. Whatever you pick, just make sure that it is right for you and that you know how to use it when the time comes. And pray like hell that you never have to.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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coppertop wrote:
I have to respond to some of the comments. I found this g 21 sf and it felt good. The question of the best gun is like what is the best truck. Whatever you pick, just make sure that it is right for you and that you know how to use it when the time comes. .

On that statement..... I think EVERYBODY here will agree 100%. Best gun in the world is worthless if you don't know how to operate it or your afraid of it.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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I usually like to shoot a gun before I buy it. Nothings worse than buying a gun then hating to shoot it. I have rented guns in Cali before. Then try a glock and a 1911 before you put down the big money. I prefer the 9mm. I have both a kimber 1911 and the M9 berretta. I enjoy both of them greatly. Do not plan on ever shooting anyone ever but both cals would be excellent self defense rounds.
I just bought a Glock 34 which I have not shot yet. Ill have a range report next weekend.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:17 AM

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First gun

Go get a Rugar .500 revolver.
It will stop anything including an elephant.
Never know when one might escape and decide
it wants to live in your back yard.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:24 AM

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First gun

Another thought on guns is with
an auto if you have to shoot
you can run home and change the barrel so if
the cops run ballistics your gun don't match.

Not me, I didn't shoot him.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 7:04 PM

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ChasW,

Also, change out the slide or deface the bolt face that leaves it's impression on the cartridge base and take care of the extractor & ejector that leaves unique markings as well.
Not getting caught can be a PITA.
Dan Wesson revolver-good choice or even a Thompson Center, you could not only swap barrels but calibers too :<))

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 10:48 AM

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I always wanted one of those!

2 years 9 weeks ago, 10:57 AM

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LOL

Funny stuff, Charles!

2 years 9 weeks ago, 7:46 AM

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lark specifically mentioned he was deciding between a RI 1911 or a Glock 19. He lives in Commiefornia, so 10 rounds max. You can argue all you want that you need 50+ rounds at all times because the Chinese are going to swarm over the ridge any time, but he's still stuck to 10 rounds anyway. The RI can take 8 round mags, so 8+1 makes a whole difference of one round. One extra round of 9mm isn't a consideration.
So, going back to the original question posted, my response STILL would be: go to the range, rent both, try them on, buy the one that feels right for you. Then practice with that mother efffer. Practice with dry firing when you're sitting watching TV, practice at the range, practice reloads, practice one handed racking, practice, practice, practice. And sleep with it. Until you can make the X disappear without thinking about it.
Then again, skylark hasn't been back in over a week, so it's all probably moot anyway.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 11:01 AM

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So...

Shoot them first, then decide, it's the only way to make an informed choice.

2 years 5 weeks ago, 1:48 PM

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If some one is going to hurt you make sure it's because
you ran out of ammo.

If youre not shooting you should be loading

If youre not loading you should be moving

If youre not moving you must be dead

Make sure youre not dead

Some people say Im paranoid because I have guns

If I have guns what do I have to be paranoid about?

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