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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:02 PM

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interesting article...

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:11 AM

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The author, Greg Ellifritz, has some seriously good credentials.
Even though my theory has been accuracy more than caliber I choked on the thought of carrying a .22, even .22 Mag. Need a bigger wound channel but the article makes sense. Put a round in to 10 ring and it's Miller time.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:50 AM

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Good info

I like it. I wish he hadn't lumped the .22 short with the long and long rifle. It would have been interesting how that would change the stats. The rifle and shotgun stats don't surprise me at all.
Which leads me to an observation I made, the number of misses on the 9mm, .40, and .45. One thing thing I would like to have seen is data on over penetration, and collateral damage, both bodily and property. Also a real consideration. But it pretty much go along with what I've always said:

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

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Ideally, I would like to see type of ammo used, specific shot placement, distance of shooting, physical condition of victim before shooting, physical condition of survivors after shooting, etc.

It was still an interesting study.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:01 AM

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Yeah, the bullet type (ball vs. hp) would have been an interesting factor. I was confused by the One-shot-stop % and % actually incapacitated by one shot data. They were obviously different as the percentages for one-shot-stop were much lower. But I'm not certain what they are defining this as.I know he defined it as number of incapacitations divided by the number of hits the person took, but using the label "one-shot-stop" seems misleading then.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 1:21 PM

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Hate to take on serious subjects in the absense of good ol spck.. but look at the amount of variables involved here.. ie.. physical condition..agree with Reap major..so is clothing worn, if you consider the effects of shooting through leather, or just a good M-65 field jacket.. at a minimum thse reduce a marginal rounds capability..

Seems the shoot placement would be paramont.. Antidote but interesting.. had a conversation with a women of the night some 35 years ago after i noticed matching round dot bullet scars mid breast (absolute factual story gents) .. Said she wasn't even aware that she had been shot till someone else noticed a little bleeding. Bar shooting that occured (realative to her) from the side.. She said the shooter boogied out, lots of rounds fired.. After everything was over someone noticed some blood on her blouse.. I remember thinking at the time that it had 22 all over it.. Guessing a slower heavier 25 (largest it could have been from .. ummm examination) would have been noticed and caused more damage..

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