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5 years 10 weeks ago, 9:56 AM

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I know that we have "active duty" servicemen-women, also retired military persons on Gunslot. the subject is the question...i never served but my sons may have to if a draft is needed to support a third front.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 10:05 AM

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The draft is a terrible idea. Especially if it is run the same as it was in Vietnam with college student deferrals. The draft, they way it has been run, is the ultimate in class warfare. I want to deal with people who volunteer to be here. The US military could go to war on another front, but only if that front opens up due to an attack on our nation. I would hope that if our security was directly threatened, we would pull out of Afghanistan and take care of ourselves first.

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5 years 9 weeks ago, 10:57 AM

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THE DRAFT

PEOPLE THERES NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT "OBAMA" IS FORMING HIS OWN SECURITY FORCE, ACCORDING TO THE ADD'S HE'S RUNNING.

BUT I'VE ALL WAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE DRAFT, BUT WITH NO ONE BEING ABLE TO SIDE STEP AND GET OUT OF IT, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THE NEXT DAY AFTER THEY GET OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. IF YOU ARE 18 YRS OLD, IF YOU QUITE OR DROP OUT AND YOUR 18 YRS OLD ASAP.

MAKE IT A 3 YR TERM.

5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:11 AM

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i agree with runaway

if we need another front i hope it is built of volunteers not draftees that just wanna go home or consientiously object.no offense to draftees of prior wars i am just considering the current populace

5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:42 AM

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I'm with you two, volunteers are the dedicated people worth dealing with draftees make wars harder.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:28 AM

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Back in post WW II, the concept was still big militaries against one another over big land masses. Fast forward 60 plus years, with great technological strides being made in the systems of warfare. If we are talking about non-nuclear confrontations and states against states, we may not need the masses of troops a la WW II. Those who have the best technology will be the winners. If we are talking about nukes on nukes, who needs lots of troops? If we are talking about stateless entities whose objectives include the insidious infiltration and take over of the world--we ALL better be the "troops"--who needs the draft under such circumstances??

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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that brings up this ?

perhaps runaway ...being there can answer....With all of modern tech being used today, and the ability topin point targets using satalite tech, Whats the purpose of ground troops in modern war fare?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:50 AM

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You will always have to have a pissed-off 19 year old American soldier with boots in the mud, daring someone to take that piece of dirt from him. Wars today rely less on the taking of entire countries, but key terrain is always, well, key.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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the modern US Military does not want and cannot use conscript soldiers. it take one full year to properly train new soldier. indoctrination into the different type of the many program available to soldier in the modern military require the WILLING CONSENT of the soldier. the volunteer is willing to buy into the concept and the indoctrination and training. a conscript will never full buy into the system. a conscript will alway feel that he or she have been hijacked from their normal life and cast into a dangerous situation, even training is dangerous, not just combat. conscript soldier will alway be resentful and will often fall into depression and even despair at own situation which is against their will. this can lead to many many bad thing. it is part psychological on part of conscript but is really the responsibility of the modern military mindset of how and why they use the systems that indoctrinate and properly train a good soldier. unless the military is willing to change how they indoctrinate and train their soldiers, then conscript soldiers are really useless to them.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:39 AM

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are not born out by experience. It is not valid to generalize without relating the analysis/opinion to context. If pops' analysis/opinion were true for all wars, we most certainly would have lost WW I and II. But we did not. Our draftees performed, to a very great extent, very well. Can you guess why?

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:10 PM

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my pops analysis is same analysis of our own military. they are on record in many place that they oppose draft. time have change. thing have change. patriotism for to fight in second world war was huge thing and even through there were many concript, most really not object. and they go through only about 3 month training before being sent overseas. today people of draft age have different life, different value, different priority and different concern. to jerk them unwillingly away from comfortable life will cause huge problems for military especially under current system of training and indoctrination which is very very much different today then was in second world war. and as for first world war, you forget history. there were violent riot all over country and massive protest against draft such that viet nam protest look like garden party. remember viet nam neh. this also cause huge national crisis about draft. can show you specific example of what happen in viet nam. it take 58,000 round of ammo to kill just one of the enemy VC or NVA. reason you ask? is psychology of time. draftee not shoot to kill. only shoot in same general direction of where other people shooting, but not aim and reason was they not want to kill. this information is easily available on internet and discussion with fordvg about this information will confirm what say. ryo will have to look up record for you, but will do so and get back to you.
but imagine this. emo boy age 18 is call to draft. emo people make up more than 12 percent of young boy and men today age 16 to 28 which would include age group 18 to 28 which is draft age. these emo boi are into being social outcast. is part of persona. they would never buy into military training and even if finish training they would be just like soldier in viet nam and simply never shoot straight enough to kill or hurt anyone. this is only one part of very great problem with whole idea of draft today. such people as emo people and many other would never be good soldier.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:19 PM

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damn emos

we should make them fight emus

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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Reaper chan, lol

is very funny neh! unfortunately the emus most likely win. emo boi be frighten to death of such large bird neh.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:26 PM

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emus

would definately win, with their sharp talons. The emos would just curl up in the fetal position and cry. Then the rest would start crying because they feel sorry for the other emo. It would be a great TV show though... emos vs. emus

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:29 PM

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sounds like a good plot for yet another "reality tv" show

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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Reaper chan

do they still do celebrity death match ka

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 2:40 PM

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I'm not sure, but our show would be much funnier

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 9:04 PM

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almost entirely. Many things have changed over the past 60 years or so. BUT, if this Country's very existence is critically in question, as a result of a combination of symetrical and asymetrical attackers, none of your rationalizations will be valid.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 9:55 PM

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ryo not miss point at all. no sir. hit point exactly perfect. it is you who do not wish to learn the lessons from history. it is easy to attack the person, but you do not go point by point through message as ryo so respectfully did to your message. there is not one iota of rationalization in what ryo wrote. no sir. not even one. what was written was written with logic and socratic method and fact and reason. please do not assume ryo is rationalizationist. you would be very mistaken to do so. please read more carefully and understand methodology of reasoning. then answer question of something Reaper chan so wisely point out. How you going to get emo boi to fight when his method of fighting is to curl up in fetal position and cry? you think you can shout or beat or threaten such a boi to fight? it will not work. no it will not. ryo see such people everyday at school. see thousands of them in neighborhood. the emo movement is most likely something new to you, but it is there. they will not fight nor will they protest. they will only lay down and cry. it is their way. the wealthy will also alway find way to keep own offspring out of draft. also you not do as ask and go to US Army and ask them yourself if they want a draft. ryo assure you the do not. what they want is more money and more way to intice volunteer to willingly join. where is this money? will you pay? ryo is not being disresptectful, but if sense little bit impatience in ryo tone then please forgive because ryo is not accustomed to be simply dismissed in such way when have presented facts and logic and reason in full socratic method of disputation.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 1:25 PM

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There are something like 50 to 60 million males in that age group.

I am amazed at your ability to fortell the future, however.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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i agree with your pops littledragon. the way i see it unless we have a catastrophic attack on our home soil most people won't send their kids to war, it has to be the choice of the young man or women<<< true warriors >>. kids today don't even know a war is being waged on their behalf..i worry about our military getting worn out. some recent events tell me that we may be using our volunteers to an extreme..is there enough to replace an aging volunteer army.??? what do you think RUNNAWAY..???

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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uhm who and how? neh. we are one of most easily protected nation in the world. not counting terrorist attack like 911 which do great harm but not even come close to destroying our nation, how could any country put enough troops in enough ships to move them 3000 to 4000 miles across the oceans on either side of our country? it is simply a logistical impossibility for say indonesia or even china, which in case most people here have forgotten, china is actually pretty good friend to the U.S. such massive movement of troops headed to our country would be destroyed all too easily by what forces we have at hand now. and if they were to try and invade either canada or mexico first to then try to get to us, well the same thing would happen. these masses of troops in ships or planes would be destroyed long before they got close enough to do any harm at all. china has no intention of invading the US. as we found out after the fall of the former soviet union, they feared us more than we feared them. kgb records were opened to the public and these records show a long long period of abject fear of what would happen to them if we decided to invade them. then in the first gulf war we demonstrated a capability that staggered the military command of the former soviet union. they were in awe of what we did. we moved half an army halfway around the world in half a month! they could never imagine being able to do something like that themeselves. and this was a major factor in the complete demoralization of the military of the former soviet union, which in turn helped to lead to the downfall and breakup of the former soviet union. they simply could not match our logistics capabilities, our firepower or the morale of our very skillful soldiers and Marines. hundreds even thousands of troop ships? the chinese do not even possess these. how could they invade us even if they wanted too neh. you think the canadian army is going to swarm across the border to attack us? it just not reasonable.
this not mean we are safe. we are not ever going to be completely safe. pearl harbor proved that. but it just not reasonable that any nation or group of nations on earth could mount a major invasion of the united states.
also in the event of some WMD attack that might destroy a city or a part of a city in our country, there is the Kennedy Doctrine still in existence. any nuclear attack and this is easy to also interpret as any kind of WMD attack on our country would result in the nuclear annihilation of the offending country. it is automatic. it come from the days of the cuban missile crisis and this is what would happen to any country who might think to try this. we would turn their country into a glowing green cinder. and that would include a host country for a terrorist group who might be responsible.
yes the destruction of an american city would be catastrophic, but look at what hurrican katrina did to new orleans neh. a whole city was virtually destroyed, but our country goes on and our flag waves high even still.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:43 PM

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with the economy the way it is and unemployment very high for the younger male...I tend to think a volunteer armed force should be abundant,now thw question is what kind of resolve and commitment this younger force has.....holt shit!!! i just sounded like my father!!!

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 3:55 PM

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The idea of an invasion changes things completely. The militia (That's you people) would voluntarily mobilize and probably slaughter any invading force before the active military could sign ammo out of the supply point. My comment earlier is that it would pretty much take a direct threat to our security to get us to fight another front, and in that case, I would hope we would just pull out of Afghanistan.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:04 PM

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we should pull out of iraq of course. there's nothing really left for us to do their beyond humanitarian aid. and as you have so rightly point out before training their forces is a joke at best. we could be training the very insurgents we want the iraqi forces to train to fight! it stupid neh. as for afganistan, well we can't tuck tail and run like the russians did. but pulling out of afganistan is something ryo is thinking serious about. we do need to hunt down bin laden and kill him or capture him and bring him to justice. this has got to be done. he can't hide forever. we must find and get him. but is he even in afgansitan or pakistan at all anymore? ryo wonder about this. it really not make much sense now after so long. so where could he be neh. this is important thing. too many die in 911 attack for this man to go unpunish. but how to find him neh. how to get to him neh. and btw the people guarding, funding and protecting him need to die too. they are just as guilty. one thing to consider is these courier who bring the tape to al arabia and other "news" network that receive them. we should watch these company very carefully and follow courier back and trace back from there to bin laden. why have this never been try before neh.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 1:22 PM

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I hope we don't believe he is dumb enough to let that happen after all this time but we could capture & torture enough to find him EXCEPT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT!!!

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 5:40 AM

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i dont know

i think that the draft is going to come again and then im going to have to go cause im not going to be like one of our former presidents and run to canada. pussy

5 years 10 weeks ago, 6:20 AM

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home land defense

is and would be our prime function all troops would be called home. the first active miltitary would be our minute men. the national gaurd and all active duty service men then the reserves untill our main force gets home. Depending on where the attack would start and how large of a force. the reg people would fight in the streets with waterever they had at their disposal untill help could get them. all police would be activated to assist in the defense.their would be no draft only volunteers old and young.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 6:44 AM

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There is no country(that I'm aware of) that could attack us(the lower 48) in CONUS and be successful. Having served in an Army with and without the draft,
the Americans and non U.S. citizens I served with were mostly dedicated, and loyal. There are always some malcontents no matter what the situation. I used to ask myself "why the hell can't they assign me to Copenhagen" ! Believe me that was #1 on my preference sheet.
Whether another draft is invoked or not is kind of a moot point. We don't currently have enough money to properly maintain what we got.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:16 AM

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I MIGHT NEED THE HELP OF LITTLEDRAGON AND BROTHER ON THIS ONE

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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charley chan, Draft

ryo point out up above your first point about how impossible it would be to put any sizeable army on our shores in the lower 48 and appreciate very much the rest of your comments too. ryo alway know he can trust wisdom of friend charley chan. thank you so much.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 12:29 AM

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Troops in the US

How many people sneak across our border every month? How many illegal infiltrators do we have from Mexico alone? It wouldn't be hard to land a very sizeable force in our nation, around our military installations and infrastructure facilities over the course of a few months, maybe a year. Don't always assume an invasion is going to follow the Red Dawn method.

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5 years 9 weeks ago, 10:23 PM

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You got that right

We already have an army of 47 million that has invaded our shores and they didn't fire a shot at us. It would be really easy to take us over now. These fuckers are everywhere and don't think that they are not organized. Just look in California. They have a well organized movement to take back the southwest area of the US that was once part of Mexico and the Mexican government is bankrolling this. The enemy is here already.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 12:46 AM

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the emos

turn them into suicide commandos

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 1:19 AM

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Hello raffy. Please don't take this the wrong way. My brother and Reaper both make a valid point between them. You simply cannot expect these emo bois to fight. It's so alien to their nature, it's not going to happen. To them, deep depression is an honorable way of life. To them, being a wuss and a weenie is a grand and noble art. No amount of anything can change them either. It's a fairly new thing in social psychology. It actually began back in the early 80s with the movie The Breakfast Club, where Ally Sheedy played the quintessential prototype emo girl, that's been the model for emos ever since. Although it's more than 90 percent boys. What are you going to do? Shoot them? Isn't that what Hitler did to the Jews? What kind of people are we and what kind of country would we be if we treated a whole sector of our society like that? That's not what America is about. I'm not defending them. In fact I avoid emos unlike my older brother who has a number of emo friends even though of course he's not one of them, it's interesting, because they are so insular with each other that they accept him as a friend. You can't shoot them. You can't make them fight. You can't train them as soldiers. It's best to just let them be. And even though suicide and suicide attempts are a way of life to them, the idea of them as suicide commandos is actually quite hilarious.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 11:35 PM

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It's garbage and it's fake. It wouldn't stand up to a real test. Although I have no scientific data to support it, no psychological studies, I do have my own observations and I truly believe cowardice and bravery transcends all social types. I have seen the country boy types who sing cadences about killing little kids curl up and start crying, and I have had the honor of seeing a stressmonger nerdy kid act with incredible bravery, ultimately saving the lives of everyone in his squad but one. These emo punks are making some sort of misguided social statement and I'm willing to bet a good number of them, when given the choice between a loaded gun to use against agressors and a street corner they can sit at and wait for a bullet, will choose to fight.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 12:05 AM

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You're sometimes rough spoken, but even when you are you always make sense and in an odd sort of way you actually do point out what is opinion and what is not when you write. this is very refreshing compared to a lot of people here who spout opinion piled on top of opinion as if their opinions were the facts of God's own truth. You said it earlier, and I believe you are right. We are of like mind! We are kindred spirits! I really believe this now. However, I am not the expert on the Emo Movement so much as my brother Ryo chan is. He's gone to bed just a few minutes ago. But he's fine. He didn't need a shot tonight like he did last night. But you could have a very fun and lively discussion with him sometime about the Emo Movement. I know this. I know it's a really new and powerful thing happening in the field of social psychology. But again, I'm no expert on this like Ryo chan is. But what you say is well put, if a little exasperating and there's like this tone of annoyance and impatience in your writing, which is completely understandable considering your experience and your own bravery and gallantry against the enemies of our country sir. You and I think alike and we believe alike and so that in my book is being of like mind. You even present your arguments in a logical pattern even if you are a little rough spoken. I'm begining to like your way of expressing yourself a lot sir. You do know how to properly argue a point without making a fool out of yourself like some people around here do. I would encourage you to maybe be a little more patient and less exasperated, but to tell you the truth, it does seem part of just your own way of expressing yourself. I for one will take my rifles and my rounds and go to the wall and defend your right to express yourself to the last round I have and when and if the enemy were to overwhelm me then I would gladly lay down my life to defend you and anyone else in our country to protect our constitutional rights. You bet I would. This is the reason I want to go to West Point. This is the reason I want to become a warrior. To give back something to our country that our country has given to me and you and those of us of like mind. It is your right to express yourself sir. I for one am willing to defend that right to the death. Plus I agree with most of what you say. Not everything. I'm not some brainless blind follower, nor do I think you would want me to be. Am I right about this? You keep up the good work runawaygun sir. I would gladly follow you into battle. I may lose my life, but with you I am sure it would not be wasted.

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5 years 10 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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I'm not exasperated.

I breathe just fine. Wait. That's not what it means, is it? When I use the word garbage, it's not a statement so much of disgust for these people as it is for the fact that they are trying to make a statement. Sometimes I think we in America have too much time on our hands, that our lives are too comfortable, and so many choose to fill that time trying to stand out and make social statements. Of course, the other end of that is the Japanese culture, where there is so little time away from work, so little time devoted to leisure, that they have one of the (maybe it's THE) highest suicide rates of any nation on earth. I just don't get why kids who really have no practical life experience think they should try to be different. Then they wonder why they're ostracized by the rest of society. WELL NO SHIT, JACKASS!!! YOU'RE A BOY WEARING PINK EYE SHADOW!!! Gee, wonder why it happens. It's not so much an example of exasperation as irritation. I think I am well on my way to becoming a crochety old bastard.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 10 weeks ago, 8:12 AM

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crotchety old bastard

I do hereby nominate runawaygun762 as a crotchety old bastard.

Do I have second?

clint

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin & Hobbes)
5 years 10 weeks ago, 8:15 AM

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I 2nd that Clint

he is a whiner isn't he! lol

5 years 9 weeks ago, 9:53 PM

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but IMO, Runaway is too young to receive the honor of that description. You and I, on the other hand, have more than earned that description. LMAO

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 9 weeks ago, 10:20 PM

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I agree, LLE

I am years away from retirement and am therefore still an asshole and am not yet ready for the responsibility that comes with being a crotchety old bastard

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 9 weeks ago, 11:46 PM

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and I appreciate your service to our Country. You are no asshole. You may not know it, but you are completing your apprenticeship for the designation of--
Crotchety Old Bastard, which you will receive upon retirement.

On Memorial Day, I will have the honor of sounding Taps for thousands of crotchety old bastards who gave their lives for our Country.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]

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