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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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A friend of mine says that his company has a corporate policy forbidding employees from having firearms in their locked cars in the parking lot even if they have an IN carry permit. IN has passed a law efective 07-01-10, I believe, stating that not only is this legal, it is illegal for any company to forbid it. Sounds like a fight brewing here folks! His concern is that the company can use any excuse to punish him & just not call it failure to comply with this rule. Any IN folks looked into this?

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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I would think that if

it was state law then the company has to abide those laws! Besides Concealled means just that......concealled! If you do it right and don't make it known, who would know!

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:56 PM

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I'm in a similar situation here in utah, the company says absolutly no guns or knives longer than 4 inches on the premisis. State law, as I understand it, says that no employer may punish or dismiss an employee for having a firearm in their locked car. I have been stonewalled every time I ask management about the issue.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 8:00 PM

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Thanks for the input Rat. Has this been tested in court yet? This could be a big deal here in Indiana.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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To my knowlege it hasnt been tested but when I decide to move on and get another job I will be temtped to test it myself, as policy states this is grounds for dismissal. I really want to talk to my folks' next door neighbor about this (he's a lawyer) but he is always so busy, and his wife just had a double organ transplant so I am sure he has more than enough on his plate right now.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:53 AM

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My 2 cents

What is outside locked in YOUR car is YOUR business, if management
came to me and said "hey we are going to search your car" I would say
ffffuuuucccckkkk YOU!!!! Then I would sue their ass (under Utah law)
after they fired me.
Whats next, a video camera in your bedroom
so they can see what goes on????
Fortunately I work for some good ole boys, my executive VP is a Browning
nut, he has quite the collection. I carry at work, its conceled and nobody
knows from one day to the next if I am or not.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:23 AM

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if this company is helping u provide food and shelter for your family via (a paycheck) leave ur gun at home. they may not want some law abidding citizen turning trigger happy fool at work.. the shit as happened before..

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:36 AM

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aimstr8 wrote:
if this company is helping u provide food and shelter for your family via (a paycheck) leave ur gun at home. they may not want some law abidding citizen turning trigger happy fool at work.. the shit as happened before..

I think you will find this a minority opinion here. 'Law abiding citizen' and 'trigger happy fool' are contradictions. I'd also like to ask that you cite your sources; it sounds more like just an opinion. That's the same attitude as in schools and malls. Do you really think you're safer if a company passes a 'No guns' policy? Do you really think someone who is really pissed off and in a 'trigger happy' mode will read the policy and say, "Oh, I guess I can't use a firearm here because the Board passed a policy that said I can't. Darn!"

The whole point of law abiding citizens carrying is to defend against trigger happy fools, whether it is a disgruntled employee going 'postal,' an aggrieved spouse trying to take out his loved one and anyone who gets in his way, or a stranger intent on harming employees and robbing the place. Receiving a paycheck assumes I am still alive. I cannot provide food and shelter for my family if I'm dead at the hands of a 'trigger happy fool.' And there's also this little matter of the second amendment, which gives me the right to do so and says nothing about others being able to prevent me from doing so.

I quite realize hoplophobia is rampant in the workplace. I also believe companies that institute these kinds of policies are shortsighted in conforming to this fear. But I rarely have seen it expressed by people who are knowledgeable about firearms.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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Not so fast there buba.. see the thing is aimstr# is our resident spring liberal.. Don't you guys remember his posts (none of us have responded for some reason) go take a quick look, one is defensive of POTUS actually says "i love him".. Then a day or so ago he had a comment about heading down the road as we were not his sort, and he wouldn't be back..

The way i see it we can do one of two things.. Guys a shooter so not all bad.. either engage him on the issues, and win him over (remember the "I usta be" post)..OR!!.. All of us will have to make our own call on this as im sure he will return.. he's had like 35 posts..

Think it was Churchill that said "any man not a liberal when young doesn't have a heart, and any man who does not become conservative as he ages does not have a mind"

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 1:58 PM

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Here's the meaning of

Here's the meaning of hoplophobia, from wiki, in case anyone else was scratchin their heads like me.

Hoplophobia from the Greek hoplon, or weapon, is defined as the "fear of firearms"[1][2][3] and as the "fear of armed citizens".[4]

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 11:54 PM

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when it's your time to go your gonna go. whether its by trigger happy fool or law abidding citizen. your time is your time. i love shooting/gun ownership and would hate to have that right taken from me. but if the company i work for ask that i leave my pistol at home and its a company policy, why buck the system. its kind of hard now a days for a law abidding citizen to maintain a descent job. so feed my family or leave my gun at home???not a hard question for me.. this is just one mans opionion. didn't mean to upset you or greg az.. thought we were just shooting the breeze here..if your so worried about providing for the family if your number gets pulled. LIfe Insurance policy is the word of the day..

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 12:18 AM

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Case in point aimslate

Notice the effort to be less hostile on my part.. And you would of course pull up an earlier comment from me that had the same quote.. I'm sure your referencing this as we speak, and if you dont your a gentleman.. I had obviously forgotten i used this quote earlier.. so in my "red faced" mode let me comment..

This is the sorta post we all endorse and enjoy... you will get debate of course.. Most of us get a bit "gaspish" at the thought of life insurance.. This is actually the truth.. with the exception of those who are providing for children, and attendant responsibilities.. Insurance is relying on others.. sorta like 911... Most all of us have the philosophy that we are responsible for our safety and well being not the state..

Let me repeat.. Damn i wish i would have remembered i used that quote before..

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:13 AM

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not aware of

whatever qoute you are referring to greg. i was only speaking/typing what was on my mind dear sir.. thought thats what the forum was for.didn't know if i spoke up my name would be misused and drug thru the mud. aimslate, aimstr# and being call a resident spring liberal????why because i wouldn't bring my gun to work??? what about a man holding his beliefs?? well thats mine. i realize i'm new here and i only check in sometimes. at first i thought some of these forums were jokes. now i see i was wrong.. didn't mean to affend u sir. however i love my country and i respect the president ..obama is cool with me. don't always agree with his views but he is still my president. just as bush, clinton, reagan and carter were. as a sailor i didn't have the choice of which commander and chiefs orders i was to follow. i just followed and cast my vote next election. so general greg az this is me AIMSTR8. given u a peak at me. am i a liberal? (how cares?)or is this one man.holding his word !holden my beliefs! and aiming for a good sight picture?? never meant u any harm here sir. just typing whats on my mind. isn't free speach an ammendment too?????

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:24 AM

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aimstr8

Your quite right.. the use of altered nicks was less that gentlemanly.. Here's the deal.. I've (and a number of us) have watched the liberal comments.. and as i said at one point, that in and of itself is not an issue.. The comment about the Stars and Bars .. Laughing that we considered it a piece of American history was just wrong.. Go back and look at the comment.. To tired to check to be honest.. But you have made comments about you dont fit in.. loving the press..

know what.. that's fine.. yes i do respect you for voicing your openion... BUT.. you made fun of the site and members.. "i know i can always get a laugh in here" and then the comment about the confederate flag being laughable as history.. That is what set me off..

The rest of your comments by themselves would not.. By the way the quote was my error, i was making fun of myself for using the same quote on two diffrent occasions. didn't realize i had..

Fact is a lot of lifes were lost under both union and confederate flags.. its not a simplistic "slave" issue.. perhaps its late.. but the response was because you made fun of us..

and on that overly touch comment... sheesh brothers.. that did sound sorta whiny huh..sorry..
at any rate.. i bid you all good night..

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:00 AM

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I attempt to live by these verses
The Lord helps those who help themselves
Do not tempt the Lord thy God.

I say this only to open for this.
If you attempt to tight rope walk
the Grand Canyon don't be
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If you walk on the wrong side of town
don't be surprised if you get shot.

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changed by God's mood and by
something stupid you attempt to do.

Companies have the no gun rule to
protect themselves from a law suit
if someone gets hurt.

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:33 AM

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not knocking your beliefs. and thanks for not knocking mine. not temping Gods hand but if its your time its your time. you can walk out your front door and be armed to the tooth and be run over by a bus. hows that pistol gonna help you there? heard stories of stray bullets killing a person at home watching tv next to the wife eating a bowl of pop corn. did the pistol in the night stand help that poor soul?? no... don't get me wrong i believe in the right to protect ones self. any s o b come round my property trying to harm whats mine. best believe i'm gonna do all i can to see to it they NEVER are able to harm anyone else. if the company i work for said guns where ok to have on your person. than thats a choice i'd make day to day. i just wouldn't want to get fired for carrying a gun on the job to buck the system. kids got to be fed and bills got to be paid. a man foremost job is to provide for his family.....just my thoughts. thank you sir

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:46 AM

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and you gotta keep truckin

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:03 AM

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IMHO that is kind

of a Liberal attitude, I work in a "bad" part of town where there is
alot of gang activity and I will be goddamed if I am going to be a
victim.....

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:16 AM

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CCW at work

I signed an employment contract with the company I "work" for. We had a robbery where someone (I think Russian mob) broke into a condo building and stole all the appliances. We were given a lead and the VP of the company asked my boss and me to go scout it out. They were happy to know that I did not conform to their no weapon policy at work on that day.

Just an example, but here is the philosophy: You have the right to self preservation. Uncle Ted explains it better than I can. Here is a link for his explanation.

http://foehammer.net/2007/10/more-common-sense-from-ted-nugent.html

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p.s. hamp, I remembered the link this time...

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:08 AM

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My former company

instituted a "no guns, no knives" rule, even in employees' cars in the company parking lot, a few years ago. I didn't argue out loud, didn't make a fuss or a scene. I just kept on carrying every day, and maintained both a 4" folding knife in my pocket and a 6" Cold Steel fixed blade in my briefcase. Everybody who knew me was aware that I had the folding knife; only a few trusted friends knew that I was carrying. They were too. Some of these were relatively high level managers. We worked in a good area, but most of us had to pass through areas (just outside Philadelphia) on the way to and from work where things could go bad in a heartbeat. Those of us who carried all decided that our personal safety, perhaps even our lives, was more important than the job. Also, our state (PA) was a "shall issue" state, with very liberal/generous provisions for getting a CCW, and PA is really full of lawyers who also carry.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:49 AM

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ECAMAN

Where did you work and what were you doing? That is around where I live...well, I lived in Phillthy for a while, but moved north of there later...just curious. I would do the same as some...just not tell anyone, continue to carry and if need be deal with the consequences later.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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hoplophobe

I did not know what this term meant, so I looked it up. As it turns out, it was probably meant as a tongue in cheek comment, but it has gained widespread use and acceptance.

^ Evans, Dylan; Cruse, Pierre (2004). Emotion, evolution, and rationality. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 145. "While we believe that certain strong innate fears dispose one to phobias, we do not mead to imply that all phobias arise from innate fears. The phobic fear of guns, hoplophobia, for example, presumably does not arise from an innate fear, but rather reflects the highly salient danger of these weapons in contemporary environments."

I like the term, it shall become a part of my lexicon sayeth the clint to the schuyler

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:42 PM

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big words there Chief, somebody might get hurt....Ha Ha Ha!!!

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:24 PM

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clint..

do you have a pronunciation guide as well..long o or short o..

sure HOpe you do as opposed to hoping over to wicki...

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:35 PM

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you guys

ahh you guys really like me. thanks for the atta boys, but now I have to go look up pronunciation...

I can get real smart hanging out here.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 12:42 PM

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carry at work

when I worked as an on call mechanic for various companies I always carried something.Working on a military base was another issue altogether.no firearms allowed so I resorted to edged weapons.they could search our vehicles any time and even search our toolboxes too.I never had my toolbox searched but I always said that if they tried I would just load my stuff up and move on.The people who would do the toolbox searches were not MP's but other "contractors".I always figured that if they knew what was in what boxes then they knew which ones to steal.Even on base,buildings got broken into and boxes stolen with some frequency.never happened to me though.

4 years 13 weeks ago, 1:04 PM

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As with any vowels, though, subject to change regionally and nationally. It comes from Hoplite, which was a heavily armed Greek warrior who carried a long spear and a shield.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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oh and Clint..

Hey for all your hard work, daily attendance, extreme witt under fire, and general all around class.. from all of us regulars (think that's a metamucil thing).. ATTA BOY !!

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 3:43 PM

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thanks greg

see i DO have class. I wish I was a regular, then I could be with all the cool people...

I do like atta boys, reminds me of catholic school..er...I mean...no...wait

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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Pkato, sorry I'm late

I just saw this posting again today, and your question was 3 days ago.
I lived in Horsham, and worked in Ambler. I was a research chemist for Cognis Corporation.
There are many pockets of "bad" neighborhoods throughout the area, although most of Montgomery County is very nice, and quite safe. One can't say the same for Philadelphia and Philadelphia County. Lots of bad areas there.
I often had to go to Norristown, which has some nasty areas, together with some that are very good.
I would also go into New Jersey pretty often. Camden's no fun at all!
My PA CCW was no good in Jersey, of course, but I always figured that I'd rather take whatever penalty would come rather than going naked into a bad scene.

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when i saw you had worked in PA i automatically got this vision of you lighting the gas street lights in downtown Philly,what? Somebody had to do it.

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 3:36 AM

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This isn't the first time some one said
something some one else saw a
different meaning in. And it won't be
the last.
I think the debate was over if we
feel in danger at work do we say
screw company policy and carry
to protect ourselves or bow down
to company policy.
I stated above companies don't give a damn
about you they want to protect themselves
from law suits so they rule don't carry.

No one really wants to argue, mabe a good
debate some times.

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