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6 years 3 weeks ago, 4:54 AM

Ranger Sarge

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I only way I see to get conservatives in this country to come around is to carry your personal protection weapon at all times.....the more open the better.And take your gun off and go in places that have no weapon signs up and inform them of a potential customer they just lost because they have a closed mind to others rights.

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 8:46 AM

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I pay no attention

to the 'no guns allowed' signs, though I tend not to do business with establishments with that attitude. I am not a big fan of open carry, there is a huge tactical advantage to be had by conceled carry and I see no sence in advertising the fact that I am armed and the BG will have you marked as the first one to eliminate....not good!

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

Ranger Sarge

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I do see..

I do see and do respect your point of view....but I elect to carry open in certain places just because sometimes what I carry is not easily concealed and feel some poeple in the establishments I go to are more suspect of a large bulge on my hip.
Not meaning to sound arrogant I don't ever feel at a tactical disadvantage.I feel if someone wants to take you....you can be gotten.
Thanks for your response,it has made me think.

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:51 AM

HampsterW

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I have a Ruger P-89 and the only way to conceal it would be a shoulder rig and that doesn't fit in with my summer wardrobe. If you don't mind me asking, what part of the country do you live in?

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 10:22 AM

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Cell Pal

Have you looked at the "Call Pal," aka "Pager Pal," holsters? They do a great job even though they are a deep carry with a rather slow draw. I'm a rather small guy and could conceal a full-size 1911 under my shorts if I felt like it. Spandex and really thin shorts won't work, but those never were my style anyway.

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5 years 51 weeks ago, 6:06 PM

Ranger Sarge

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Kentucky....I have the same prob when I carry my 1911,I carry it cross-draw.My other big carry is a Glock 21.These I usually carry open.My normal conceal carry is a HK compact 40 and a Kahr K40.Open carry is not unusual here,especially the further east you go(like the mountains where my mom and sisters live).It's here in central KY,especially Lexington where I live it's very conservative.....I sometimes feel alone in the battle but it is getting better.

The hardest part about living is not dying,it's having something that lives in you,die.
6 years 3 weeks ago, 10:51 AM

HampsterW

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My CC weapon is

a Walther PPS in 9mm and a Uncle Mikes IWB holster, a very comfortable set up for me. Utah used to be a lot like that, open carry not out of the ordinary (still is in rural areas) but in the last few decades the Salt lake area has seen an influx of Kalifornia Liberals that will call the cop's if they see you wandering around with a gun, it isn't illegal but it is inconvient to say the least.

Change you can truly believe in comes from the barrel of a gun---------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ron Paul 2012----Vote the bastards out!---------------------------------
5 years 51 weeks ago, 6:07 PM

Ranger Sarge

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we have somewhat

the same thing here...although not from Calie,just home grown up tight people. I haven't been harrassed for open carry.I know gun sales went thru the roof here when Obama was elected.

The hardest part about living is not dying,it's having something that lives in you,die.
5 years 51 weeks ago, 6:08 PM

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Most of my holsters

are from Dillon Precision.I don't know who make they now but they don't carry their own brand anymore and the new one's are twice as expensive.They are full coverage,pancake,no strap,quick-draws.Really fine quality leather and wear really well.

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 2:25 PM

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ccw

At my first LE job,our issued pistol (Beretta 96D) was the only gun we were allowed to carry, on or off duty. No backups, no poodleguns, just the Big D -- that was like trying to conceal a box of Wheaties. This was in the Mid-South, with many humid months into the 90's and 100's.

They even prescribed authorized off-duty holsters....a rotten G&G 3-slot pancake, and the Safariland 518 paddle (great rig). I did hafta dress a bit bummy or hippy-ish, but I packed that boatanchor everywhere, even in shorts. The city was not a nice one to say the least, and I never went without the D.

I've since packed a G17, N and L-frame SW 4" revolvers, and other Berettas as well as some smaller pieces. The SafePacker (advertised in Dillon's catalog) is an option, but I wish like hell they'd make it in colors other than tactical-black. I carried a BHP on some archaeological/paleontological digs, surrounded by nosy hippies who were none the wiser (modified a commercial camera beltcase to cover the visible portion of a good paddle holster; basically a Velcro'd rip-away).

The P89 should be no more of a problem in hot weather. Cargo shorts and a sturdy belt, shortsleeve fishing shirt or beachbum shirt from Magellan or Columbia, yer good to go all the way up to Desert-Eagle sized handguns. (Watch Kindergarten Cop....Big Al carries a Beretta 92/96 series pistol in an ANKLE holster....but he's a big fella).

Quoting one of the Greats: 'Pistols should be comforting more than comfortable.'

6 years 2 weeks ago, 6:38 PM

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ahhh!

Tx that looks like a Jeff Cooper quote to me

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
6 years 4 days ago, 12:19 AM

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There are times I do, but they are very rare. OC makes you stand out and while a basic, "routine" ( I know that's a dumb term, but's all my beer-clouded mind could come up with right now) robbery or assault is more likely to happen than an active shooter event, I know that if a mass shooting were to happen, me packing in plain view would be one of the first targets.

There is something to be said for the deterrent value of open carry by citizens, and the potential conversations with curious and uninformed people may lead to better education for the non ballistically-inclined public. But being involved in a lethal force incident is against the odds already, so I say why take the chance of really beating the odds and being invloved in a lethal force incident as the first target?

As far as people seeing a bulge, the proliferation of belt-carried cellphones have made bulges around the belt line a common thing. As long as you don't make the rookie mistakes like readjusting your holster every time you get out of the car, putting your gunside arm close to your body every time someone gets near you (A big problem with plainclothes or off-duty cops because of their weapon retention/interview position training), or reaching for things on a high shelf with your gun hand, most people won't have any idea.

My normal attire is shorts and t-shirt with my G19 and Don Hume IWB holster and there is very little print. It's really a matter of tailoring you body movements to avoid obvious signs.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 51 weeks ago, 6:04 PM

Ranger Sarge

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Runawaygun762

I see your points and are well taken.I not worried about being open to first target "acquisition"....I am always mistaken as LEO anyway,so it kinda plays to my advantage .....I don't do it often....My real point that I was trying to make is that people shouldn't feel "uneasy"(for lack of a better word) about it.After being on the site awhile,I don't think that applies to most of this bunch.

The hardest part about living is not dying,it's having something that lives in you,die.

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