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5 years 24 weeks ago, 8:01 PM

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Okay, so as many of you know, I lived in southern AZ for a couple years. For a year of that, I lived in Palominas (Hereford), AZ, which is within view of the border. I have had Border Patrol (BP) helicopters over my house spotlighting the back yard and have called the BP because I heard movement outside. Of course when I called them, all I wanted for them to do was pan around with their remote camera tower and tell me if they saw anything, but they insisted on sending a patrol instead. Fine.

Contrary to what the liberals may believe, I am not anti-immigration, I am against illegal immigration, aka criminal tresspassing. With this thought in mind, and considering the average age of this site's members (Probably about 140 years old on average. We do have samD, LLE, Greg AZ, and the skidmarks in ebear's undies), I'd like to start a discussion on the steps that private citizens might take on this. I'm not so much trying to discuss what we can do right now, or what is going on, but what do you folks see could or should be done? It's probably safe to say that many of the members aren't likely to be able to ruck up and move out, so what can older guys do that will have a practical benefit?

Obviously, the right answer of what should be done is the feds should take border security seriously and start cracking down on illegal invaders with all the cool gadgets and weapons our tax dollars provide them. They should also finish the real fence. Not the "vehicle barrier" fences, but the big 20-foot high steel slat fuckers.

Let's assume for a moment that the government refuses to do their job (Wow, what a stretch, huh?), but says to the American people "Fuck it. It's your border, you secure it". How would you folks use your abilities to support the effort?

Does this even make sense? I'm sorta confused and I'm not even drunk right now.

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5 years 24 weeks ago, 5:55 AM

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that if this country is serious about this very significant problem, it must be treated systemically.
Each state should receive the financial capability and authority to:

1) Develop and train a special force whose primary duty is to find, arrest, and deport illegals. [ I nominate Sherrif Joe Arpaio as the National Coordinator of this organization].

2) Develop and install system-designed [like we do for military weapon and Command/Control systems] state of the art barrier systems for both the Northern and Southern borders, and staff these multi-level barrier systems with a trained special force to insure as best as possible, no leakage.

3) Apply state of the art design techniques to materially improve performance at air and sea entry points.

This approach will not only go a long way to a problem solution, but also serendipitously go a long way to solving the high level of unemployment.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 24 weeks ago, 7:51 AM

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Run & LLE

all right fellas, 2 excellent post, food for some serious thought. Being born & raised in AZ & being a Semi Old guy (I don't wanna hear it, LOL) I have to agree with both of you.
Run, your third paragraph IS, with out a doubt the right answer, but yea, what a stretch??
LLE, I'm with ya all the way on this one!! Like I have said before, Where do I sign up???
Hey, I could do undercover work, who would ever think about an old, fat, bald, gray guy????

Any day above dirt is a good day!!! My New Motto: Where Do I Sign? (Oh yes I would)
5 years 23 weeks ago, 7:42 AM

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In the last statistics I looked at, there are about 17 million veterans, with an average age of about 59-60. If you assume that 50% of this group are physically capable, and willing to help save their country from being overrun by illegals and infiltrated by Islamo-extremists, then this Vet group is one of the most important resources this country has to help fight a continued asymetrical domestic "war" against us.

Remember--enlightened paranoia states that the militant Mexican groups are planning on taking back much of our southern tier real estate, and the Islamo-terrorists are bent on making 9/11 look like childs' play.

OVER MY DEAD BODY!!

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 23 weeks ago, 8:04 AM

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I'm right there with you. Even those of us who are not as "physically capable" as we once were,
are still indeed capable. The knowledge & skills possessed by some of us, as you know, would amaze & sicken a lot of folks, but it's still extremely useful & effective.
Where do I sign!!

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5 years 23 weeks ago, 4:52 AM

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that assist the BP in Texas and Az act as spotters,ride around in 4 wheelers or jeep type vehicles,and communicate via handheld radio, i like that idea as far as it goes,and i'm sure you Az and TX boys know more about it than i do,my experiences going into Canada and crossing the border,everytime has been pretty smooth,although Canada will not let a felon go across from the USA to Canada or a DWI/DUI conviction,having said that,it makes me wonder how the criteria of entry from Mexico to the USA compares to our Northern border,something the media doesn't talk about much.

and Runs i personally would love to load up and go play

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