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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:03 PM

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Why go through the hassle of filling out ATF forms and paying $200 or more when you can just get a buttstock from SlideFireSolutions. I was told about this when I picked up my Mossberg 590...

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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Don't be surprised if you're required to destroy or register/buy stamp for that stock after a while. It is legal for everyone now, but that can all change in a second. I admit, it would be cool to play with, just not sure it’s worth the price and hassle.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:20 PM

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:24 PM

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You're right, it would definitely be fun to play with. But since it really doesn't have any mechanical moving parts there's nothing the ATF can legally do. All you're doing is bump firing from the shoulder. The gun is still semi-auto... You're just able to fire one round at a time much faster and aimed instead of from the hip.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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Do you think that the police of citizens will require proof of said destruction. And why is eBear a one man donkey show?

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 12:44 PM

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about proof of destruction. Do they require it when class 3 FFL holders have nontransferable promo guns and their license expires? I'm not sure, maybe someone else can chime in.

ebear is a donkey puppet because he chooses to be. He only takes an alaskian pipeline if he can wear indian goggles and a chocolate starfish. If he wasn't so picky, it wouldn't be a big deal.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 2:18 PM

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Holy shiite, that was funny.

About the proof of destruction, I was asking because, if I recall correctly, when the NFA took effect, you had to either purchase a stamp for a NFA device within a certain period or destroy said device. And they had certain approved methods of destruction. Now, I'm just curious that if I, John Q. Public, bought this slidefire and the BATFE decides in their infamous (sic) wisdom that it is a dangerous device and us idiotic peons can't be trusted with them, how can they enforce that the device has been destroyed?

Did I destroy that nefarious death-bringer?
Why, yessir. I melted that murderous weapon in a vat of acid.
What? What's that bulge in my pants?
Wellsir, just glad to see a member of our glorious protectors watching out for us.
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3 years 5 weeks ago, 2:07 PM

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are turned in or the FFL dealer is toast.

As far as destruction goes, they claim proof of destruciton but there are a bunch of people who never did a thing about the 10/22 stock but take it off the weapon and hide it.

This Stock though is probably going to end up being reclassified as a part when combined with other parts and a semi auto receiver will turn it into a CLASS 3 AOW. Which could lead to a whole new classification if they really REALLY want to push it.

I think that over all there would be huge support from the non shooting public, some of the shooting public and all Dem's.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 2:22 PM

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Was there a similar stock for a 10/22? I didn't know about it. Yeah, they would have a large support, which somehow these days trumps the constitution. I don't know how that happened. I guess it this whole misconception that this is a democracy. If you say something enough, people (of weaker minds) start believing it.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 2:42 PM

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Maybe "promo gun" wasn't the right wording. I had a buddy that had a class 3 FFL. He said that he could buy an M4 from Colt for something like $800 (what do they usually go for, $12,000-15,000?). It wasn't registered to him personally, but to his FFL. It was a nontransferable gun that was sold to his FFL at an extremely discounted price so he would market and promote Colt's products. He said as soon as his FFL expired he would have to "destroy it", so it was more or less renting/leasing a cool gun for X number of years.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 3:14 PM

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yes, Demos, I can get you a MP in any flavor you like for $700.00 brand new in the box as a Dealer Demo.

You have to have a legit written request from a military or police agency that they're interested in evaluating a particular machine gun for their use before the transfer can take place.

oh and a Class III FFL also

You actually turn the weapon and paper work (keeping copies of the paper work) into a local branch of the BATF as I understand it, it is then put into secure storage and from there who knows.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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Akins Accelerator,10/22 Bump Fire stock for 10/22... He is just north of me and has a Warehouse Full of the damn things too.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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wow would be nice to have some and put it away for years lol GUN SHOW tomorrow at fair gorunds do not think am going there but brandon mall might get TATT but love the CHEESE CAKE FACTORY SOME TIME i WISH HAD a class 3 lisc but to much pain and I got alot of that right now plus just might go to base shop use to love hanging out in off club been long time but will stay away from there lol hangers were better when they had the planes lol. TY

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 6:33 PM

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They might try to classify it as a class lll sometime in the future, but they would have to have a damn good reason for it. By putting this buttstock on your rifle you're not changing the basic function of the firearm, you're just changing how fast you can squeeze the trigger.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:08 PM

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actually your not squeezing the trigger.

You push the weapon outward and depending on how far you push it it rides the recoil and decides on the cycle rate, it is recoil driven.

True, as it sits it is just a part and not a trigger group of does it have any moving parts or springs. But, because it uses the recoil buffer in conjunction I can see them claiming to have ground to change it's status and possibly add more parts to that list by creating a new group of parts which they deam to circumvent the NFA Regulations.

The Stock costs between $350- $500 depending on who you know. It really isn't practical on a everyday shooter. I'd throw one on something like a CMMG dedicated .22lr AR. Hell blowing through four or five bricks in a day wouldn't be so bad, but it would still be between $70.00 - $100.00 in .22 lr in one day. Do that 52 weekends along with all the .223, 308, 9, 40, 45 your shooting and your talking about some serious knot for something that you might and might not get to keep.

Besides the fact that Akins has filed a Patten Infringement Law Suit.
http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?5203-New-AR-stock-that-facilitates...

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:25 PM

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But, because it uses the recoil buffer in conjunction

But the stock is just a stock. It has no springs or moving parts. Or did I mis-read your comment?

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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Yes it is just a Stock without moving parts. The name explains it pretty much.

The Stock is designed in such a way that it allows the rest of the weapon to slide back and forth in a rhythm. It is just a part, but I bet you the Technology Branch of ATF will find a way to ban this, or create a way which will be passed. No one in Politics is going to support anyone having this when it comes down to it as soon as they see the videos of people blowing the shit out of things with it. Then put the sound of the rapid fire together with the sounds of the News showing all the Machine guns over the last 10 years in both wars.

It really is an iffy deal in my personal opinion to throw the money at it. Though I've seen some posts on the net about people finding them at Gun Shows going for as low as $250.00.

That and the fact that Akins has started a Law Suit...

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:10 PM

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Akins has been working on bump fire for a long time and has many different pattens for various designs of Slam Firing Stocks and such.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:45 PM

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You're right, I should've said operating or actuating instead of saying squeezing the trigger. And yes, they can come up with a number of excuses to force people to apply and purchase a tax stamp for it, but since they've already approved it I don't really see them changing their position unless given adequate reasons. As for the patten infringement law suit... I knew nothing about that until now. Also, I seriously doubt that I'd use it for more than one mag. I'm more or less the type of guy to buy something off the wall just for the hell of it. I've got drum mags that I never use, but I have them just for the simple reason that I had the opportunity to get them, so I did. Maybe I need an intervention or something. Maybe I should go to an AA meeting for guns... Hi, I'm BasicGearz and I buy more guns than I really need.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:06 PM

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Don't get me wrong, it is fun as hell and also much cheaper than buying a transferable full auto without question.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 7:59 PM

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The SlideFireSolutions setup has to use the buffer and buffer spring inside the receiver extension to operate properly. Even though you have to operate manually, like everything concerning firearms there are going to be uneducated people out there crying "death machine". And the majority of those people are in politics.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:08 PM

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Exactly

Sad but true...

Not much different than Dragons Breath, it's something to screw around with as long as your safe. Yet, people saw the videos and went nutz over it....

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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Exactly

freaking double dipping mouse button....

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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it uses the recoil only. It doesn't rely on the buffer or spring anymore then it is needed to make the weapon function.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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I'd have to pull one apart, but it would have to work in conjunction with the recoil buffer, that or it is free floating inside the stock. Though I would bet that it actually replaces the buffer tube in some manner. Because other wise there would not be a solid connection to the weapon itself because the weapon slides back and forth screwed or pined through slots where it attaches to the receiver.

Just watched it again and it it using the recoil buffer and tube...
http://www.youtube.com/user/militarygunsupply

on the link click on the bottom video, pause it, then drag it over to 1:28 into the video, you will see how it works...

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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I have one... The buffer tube floats inside the stock. It has a built up trigger rest that you rest your finger on. It uses the buffer tube from a collapsable stock. This allows about a 1/2 inch of movement. you push forward with your non0firing arm, that provides the force to reset the trigger after firing.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:52 PM

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What keeps the stock in line or is there flex when firing?

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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ok, I see it now, the pin sticking up through the tube hole in the stock is the stop for it, it rides inside the stock, is there another bracket attached on the lower which also ride inside the stock?

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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I went to SlideFireSolutions site and Ronin is right. I was told differently at the gunshop I usually go to. The setup works by removing the pistol grip and buttstock. You attach a block in place of where the pistol grip went, the new pistol grip and buttstock is one piece and the block slides back and forth along rails inside the new grip while the receiver extension slides back and forth inside the new buttstock. The recoil moves the firearm back and you pull it forward to engage the trigger, so the internals of the receiver aren't touched at all. The people at the gunshop I go to are great people but thats the last time I go by what they tell me. And I told myself I would not go by hear-say... Shame the hell on me!

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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check this link out...
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/reds-akins-open.htm

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:05 PM

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Since you have one. Is it worth the price?

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:17 PM

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BATF Bump Fire Definition

Akins Accelerator Sotock
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2007/...

Before the BATF changed their regulations to nix the Accelerator Stock....

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-10-22/53053-legal-full-auto-you-10-...

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Well, it is pricey as a toy, ammo cost gets outragious quick, and not happy with the stock in the locked position.... But as an alternative to purchasing a legal full auto, I love it.

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Very true that...

Hell the Accelerator was $1,000.00 and was considered a good buy compared to the 10/22 trigger packs.

I can just see them (ATF) screwing everybody down the road..
http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/77279.gif

I can't figure out how to post an animated gif, but if you right click and open in another tab it shows how this stock functions.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 1:56 AM

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To include an animated GIF, enclose it in an image tag:
<img src='http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/77279.gif' / > will give you this:

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:28 PM

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Thanks... My plan was to just unload 1 mag with it and then take it off and only use it for display purposes like my drum mags. I know... If thats all I'm gonna use it for than why get it? Like I mentioned to ISD, I might need an intervention when it comes to firearm and accessory purchases.

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Then I would recomend waiting a bit. I'm sure that someone will unload one for a deacent price. Not like they wear out. But I'm thinking about keeping mine for shits and giggles. LOL!

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I'd also keep an eye out at the gun shows if you go to any..

From what I've read people are picking them up for around $250.00 new.

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3 years 5 weeks ago, 9:57 PM

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I hear ya. I was gonna wait until after the closing on the land I'm getting before I decide to get it. I'm getting tired of shooting on someone elses schedule, now I'll be able to shoot what I want and when.

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