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3 years 30 weeks ago, 4:34 PM

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Come and Take It

"Come and take it" was a slogan used in the Texas Revolution in 1835. In March 1831, Juan Gomez, a Lieutenant in the Mexican Army, worked alongside Tadeo Ortiz, a consul at Bordeaux, France, and granted a small cannon to the colony of San Antonio. The small bronze cannon was received by the colony and signed for by Randy Tumlinson. It was then transported to Gonzales, Texas and later was the object of Texas pride. At the minor skirmish known as the Battle of Gonzales—the first battle of the Texas Revolution against Mexico—a small group of Texans successfully resisted the Mexican forces who had orders from Juan Gomez to seize their cannon. As a symbol of defiance, the Texans had fashioned a flag containing the phrase "come and take it" along with a black star and an image of the cannon which they had received six years earlier from Mexican officials—this was the same message that was sent to the Mexican government when they told the Texans that they had to return their cannon—failure to comply with the Mexican's original demands led to the failed attempt by the Mexican military to forcefully take back the cannon.

The slogan itself can be considered a modification of the response King Leonidas of Sparta (ancient Greek city-state) gave to the Persians during the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC. When he was asked that his men should lay down their weapons, he replied "Come and get them" (Μολὼν λαβέ).[1]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

The real story is, the Mexican Govt. had ordered Texians to surrender ALL arms.
I'm glad they didn't, I hope we don't!

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 4:50 PM

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One of Santa Anna's "reforms" was to reduce the number of the militia to one soldier for every five-hundred inhabitants, and to disarm the remainder. This arbitrary decree was a sufficient justification of Texas for her subsequent acts.

SANTA ANNA TRIES TO DISARM THE RESISTANCE

A week later General Cos landed at Copano with 400 men. 'WAR is our only recourse,' thundered a broadside from Austin. Unfazed, Cos headed for San Antonio. Here the garrison commander Colonel Ugartechea had his hands full, confiscating weapons...searching houses...disbanding suspicious groups that re-formed as fast as he broke them up. Mexican policy was to seize arms and military stores in Texan hands before real trouble started.

Exerpts from http://www.comeandtakeit.com/txhist.html

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

Saint J.M. Browning

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Battle of Gonzales Flag

I almost wish the socialists would go ahead and stop pretending and flat out try to disarm us. I think that's the only thing that will wake people up. Plus, it's a chance to thin the herd.

"I don't think Hank done it this way" - Waylon
3 years 30 weeks ago, 5:31 PM

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Infringed!

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. -Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

The word 'arms' in the connection we find it in the Constitution of the United States, refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense. The arms of the infantry soldier are the musket and bayonet; of cavalry and dragoons, the saber, holster pistols and carbine; of the artillery, the field piece, siege gun, and mortar, with side arms. -English v State, Texas 473, 476 (1871-2).

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 5:44 PM

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I love the argument that the Founding Fathers had no idea of "assault" weapons. They also had no idea of the internet, so following the logic presented: should there be infringements on the first amendment?

Great post Vaq, I enjoyed following the links and educating myself.

clint

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin & Hobbes)
3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:49 AM

Saint J.M. Browning

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Abso-fuggin-lutely

That one really pisses me off. I hate when people use that as an excuse. That is why our Constitution is amendable. If you think certain weapons should be restricted, then try and get an amendment passed. Don't just "interpret" away our rights.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 6:25 PM

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clint

Thanks for following. I'm glad glad you enjoyed it. I actually learned some myself just chasing and researching.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 12:04 AM

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My 2 shiney ones

I have been here on GS for a long time, I have kept my mouth shut for a long time.
I am sick & tired of reading & listening to every wannabe in the world, Who has never seen a second of.real combat in his OR her life!!!!!!!
SMC Larry L, Wagner, I am here to let you know, I have been in every thing since 1973 to 1994
& as the rock says " to protect your candy ass"
Yep, Thats right, SMC stands for "Senior Master Chief" Larry Wagner, United States Navy
S.E.A.LS..... Come "TRY & TAKE MINE" !!!! I really wish you would!!!! & until you have been then there / done that.... Don't talk like you have////////

Any day above dirt is a good day!!! My New Motto: Where Do I Sign? (Oh yes I would)
3 years 30 weeks ago, 2:51 AM

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hey Larry

i bet we were at Coronado at the same time,i was there in 1975,did you ever wear a cowboy hat in the EM club?

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
3 years 29 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

Larry Wagner

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Hello Jerry

Yep, we might have been, in 75 I was in & out of North Island & in & out of most every place else.
From North Ils to Treasure Island ( which every one thought was dead) Guess what,,, Wrong!!!
Nope never wore ANY kind of hat, nor did I do any EM or NCO club on ANY base.... Was to busy with fitness & health in those days, until I hit the East Coast in VA then got a fast track back to
Calif to 32nd St. At 32nd street, with 9 years in, didn't give a fuck, party time!!!!!!!
So how ya been Jerry? Sounds like you been good.
I apologize to you for going off the deep end on my last post, been watching & listening to everything out there & guess I just loosened a screw or 2... A few loose ones & a bottle of cactus juice,, Look out!!!!!!, Take Care & Be Safe......Larry

Any day above dirt is a good day!!! My New Motto: Where Do I Sign? (Oh yes I would)

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