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6 years 51 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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so what type of back up comms does anyone have for SHTF scenario? the internet will be the first thing blocked out i believe,second will be satellite and land lines in order to influence command and control decisions,meaning we will be blind and not knowing what the hell is going on,any thoughts?

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 6:59 PM

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commo

i have 2 of the older 40 channel hand held CB's for portable commo,a few CB and antenna sets for vehicles and an old CB base station with an aerial.nothing hi tech but it would work locally.

6 years 51 weeks ago, 7:11 PM

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CBs and shortwave

Basics.

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 10:54 PM

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S.O.L. on this one.

Leaves room for improvement as were rural.. sheesh thanks lucky.. Actually this is exactly what we should be doing.. I hadn't thought much about it.. am now..

CB is busted, receives doesn't send, have a good SW radio, but cant get out.. Good post Lucky..

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 5:58 AM

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during a shtf event, you need to study for an FCC Amateur Radio license, and build your own station.. The study is not difficult, and the Morse Code requirement no longer exists. If you are interested, we have our annual "Field Day" exercise on the last weekend of THIS MONTH. Field Day gives us the opportunity to simulate a shtf happening. We go out and set up emergency stations and prove that these stations "work", by contacting other stations all over the USA [and Canada]. In most instances generators are used to provide power, and all kinds of antennas are designed [according to radio/electronic principles], and then installed using, trees for height.
For the price of a couple of good firearms, you can put your own station on the air legally, and assure yourself that you will always be in good communication with other citizens, similarly situated, whether you want "close-in" distances, or distances across your state, your region, or the entire country.
Find out about Field Day from one of your local "Ham Radio" clubs. You can see them in action, and probably participate in setting up their stations, and talking on HF, VHF and UHF radio using voice and digital communication modes.

You will see that Amateur Radio is the opposite of CB--Amateur Radio never fails to get through [except perhaps in an EMP event], and has proven itself time and again in emergencies. That is because of know-how, practice and discipline.

I am sure Schuyler would agree, also. What say you Schuy??

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 3:27 PM

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thanks LLE

i am looking into it myself now,i have been on www.hamcity.com as well,looking at equipment,my question is hooking up with another ham radio location,not just reaching out to anyone,pardon my lack of experience,i am truly a newbie on this,but if i can effectively reach a known Ham location.I thin a LOS system might be good enough,???, or should i go for a BLOS?

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 5:58 PM

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The first level of Ham license is enough to give you frequency privileges for local [mostly LOS] frequencies. There will usually be an Emergency Operations Center on the air in most metropolitan areas, usually run by the County Emergency Management folks. They should be able to answer questions, and disseminate useful status info.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
6 years 51 weeks ago, 3:40 PM

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A beginner's ticket is sufficient as well and gets you plenty of frequencies. I'm an "Extra" (KB7Z), but there's no need to put yourself through that, nor do you need an extensive base station set up. You can set yourself up with a hand held and a mobile-based unit for about a grand total. If you do encounter a SHTF scenario I doubt if you will care if you can reach South America or Mongolia, neither of which would be in a position to help. What you want is to coordinate locally on known frequencies.

In my local group there is a county disaster department that uses HAM help. I'm not inclined to join this because in a disaster, I don't really want to be going somewhere else to "help."

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 2:06 PM

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If it doesn't have a trigger on it I probably can't do anything with it except break it, and my knowledge of electricity ends with my usage and repair of Tasers. So, I'm probably talking out my ass but from a tinfoil-hat perspective the following occur to me:

1. EMP is a consideration, both as an outside attacker's weapon and as an internal means of limiting or eliminating comms. So anything inadequately shielded doesn't make it past a number of viable SHTF scenarios.

2. Since ham and other organized CB/comms are somehow licensed, monitored and regulated by fedgov entities (to the best of my knowledge), shutting them down or using them against a person might be a priority to various folks in some scenarios, making them a possible liability.

3. For bug-in scenarios, esp. rural ones, I'd be much more inclined to indulge in monitoring of existing transmissions during an event rather than making my own. Any local comms (neighbors, etc.) I want to make by other means than radio/CB, etc.

Just thoughts....please edumacate me as this is one side of the prep RubiksCube I have not invested in.

6 years 51 weeks ago, 7:24 PM

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good point TXluckySOB,i have been stumbling around and found this http://www.etoncorp.com/product_card/?p_ProductDbId=321378 anyone have any experience using these? I did find out that you don't need a ham license to operate in a disaster,whatever that means,if things are that bad i am not gonna worry about the FCC,or maybe i want them too,anyway who monitors Ham frequency besides the FCC? Gmen? maybe i don't want some of these listeners in on what i want to do...are LOS systems monitored or am i putting to much emphasis on being monitored? I don't know.

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 8:45 PM

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now this looks interesting at 170.00 dollars http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=111&encPr...

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 12:14 AM

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can you post a few websites for basic radio gear.where to get it and such.decent prices?where to find out about local testing /training?

6 years 51 weeks ago, 12:18 AM

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I have a Cobra 25 and a Cobra 29
both have 120 channels.
A lot of people around here have them
The high channels on sideband reach
way out there

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 12:19 AM

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I hold a radio license that I use to work offshore. Went to a seman training center took the course and test. Not sure where you would get equipment other than the internet

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 11:15 AM

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your questions about licensing and studying for tests at the website run by the ARRL---
the American Radio Relay League: www.arrl.org

As for equipment, there are too many places to list. But to get an idea of "retail" prices of many different types of equipment, components, parts, etc., you could start at these two:

www.aesham.com and www.hamradio.com

Remember that when you are learning what you need to know to pass a license test, you will begin to appreciate a lot of things you do not now understand, in order to grasp what pieces of equipment or components you might need/want to put together a station.

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6 years 51 weeks ago, 12:29 AM

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post some more of them oil rig pics and post yer radio frequency so our fellow Gunslooter radio nuts can pick ya up on the hi seas.

6 years 51 weeks ago, 12:43 AM

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Sure thing

on the pics, the radio is a company set and can not give out that information. Speaking of rigs will be heading back out there as soon as we get loaded up

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6 years 49 weeks ago, 2:09 PM

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A true SHTF end of our way of life-like thing, I'll "secure a few SINCGARS or ASIPS radios and use them on single channel freqs unless I can get comsec gear. Anything less than that and I'm not too worried about communicating with anyone

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