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7 years 24 weeks ago, 8:31 PM

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I just found out that even if I get a permit I cannot carry concealed where I work. We're also not supposed to bring knives to work..... oops been doin that for 9 years, guess i'll leave it home from now on. Is this even legal? I live in Utah where it's legal to open carry but I cant carry concealed at work? Seems kind of silly to me.

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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I reckon

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How's that for "neutral"?

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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Good might be a little too strong a word let's call it good enough.... For now at least, especially in todays economy.

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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Good enough

I ain't sayin' it's right, but, If you lose the one you got for carryin'. You're gonna have hell findin' another'n!

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 11:44 PM

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If you can reveal it, where do you work?
If you think answering my question would put your job in jeopardy, then by all means don't answer.
The place I worked the last 18 years before I retired had a rule that you couldn't even have a firearm in your car in the parking lot. Fuck 'em. I carried every day, and several people knew it. Never heard a word from anyone. They knew I was kind of nuts, so maybe that's why nobody said anything.

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:24 AM

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Let me guess....

Wal-Mart perhaps? I have a friend who says their policy is that you can't even have it in your car in the parking lot. What a load of B.S.

7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:22 AM

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ecaman..

with ya.. before i went to work for the dept, i carried every day.. usta have a little charter arms stainless, and my FA mini .22 NEVER left my side or ankle, or pocket.. Don't know what ever happened to the little leather ankle holster i had for FA.. Think i just wore out the velcro.. honestly don't remember..Just know i always carried..

Then i start with the dept. where on any given day about 1//3 of the troops are armed. Obviously no one is allowed near inmates with a weapon.. Those pesky inmates have a habit of taking them away from ya.. So they had lockers outside for the staff who carried all the time.. this of course was OC as they would just change out the weapon and magazines, (or speedloaders in the old days) ..

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:32 AM

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on their sorry asses so no firearms
allowed on company property

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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All about litigation issues.. sheesh.. Thinking a small company would welcome having an armed employee.. Large one have to worry about the liberal, and the "hostile work enviroment".. can i have a group sheesh..

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:54 AM

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SHEEEEESH

There ya go greg

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:57 AM

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 1:20 AM

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see ya in the am..

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 6:56 AM

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My job has a No Carry

policy, but I carry anyways. Mainly because it wasn't one of them that walked into the office one afternoon to find some punk that had crawled in a window. I might lose my job but I won't become a victim if I can help it.

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 8:43 AM

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Here is some info from carryutah.com...

House Bill 357 removes the previous restriction against loaded firearms in vehicles without a concealed carry permit. The new law allows for anyone 18 years or older in legal possession of a firearm to have it unloaded in a vehicle with or without a concealed carry permit. This new law effectively extends all firearm rights as they exist in the home to one’s vehicle.

PROTECTION OF CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED ACTIVITIES IN CERTAIN PRIVATE VENUES. In the past there has been some debate in Utah about employer’s rights to restrict firearms in employee vehicles parked on the property of the employer. The newly passed law in April of 2009 also guarantees the right to transport/maintain firearms in your vehicle while on private property or other public property that might otherwise restrict the possession of firearms.

So, your employer may not allow CC in the work place but under Utah law it is none of their goddam business if you have an unloaded weapon in you car.

The definition of "unloaded weapon" in the state of Utah is any weapon that requires at least two mechanical actions to fire eg. you can have a semi auto with a full clip, mechanical action one: pull back the slide to chamber a round mech. action two: pull the trigger.

I hope this helps

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7 years 8 weeks ago, 10:19 AM

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did they change the laws again? I thought a year ago they clarified that you COULD have a loaded fire arm in your car; even in the glove-box, Because it was an extension of personal property. Did they change that again? please help me to understand.
thanks

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7 years 8 weeks ago, 10:39 AM

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First welcome to gunslot. Hope you enjoy the site.

Your state & local laws are the say so of loaded, unloaded weapons in a vehicle. It is a no-no in Calif but in Arizona it is OK. Check for gunlaws by state on Google.

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7 years 8 weeks ago, 8:18 PM

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Thanks, I found the answer @ the Utah Dept. of Public safety.

Utah Code
Title 76 Utah Criminal Code
Chapter 10 Offenses Against Public Health, Safety, Welfare, and Morals
Section 505 Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle, unless:
(i) the vehicle is in the person's lawful possession; or
(ii) the person is carrying the loaded firearm in a vehicle with the consent of the person lawfully in possession of the vehicle;
(b) on a public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply to a minor under 18 years of age, since a minor under 18 years of age may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle.
(3) Notwithstanding Subsection (1)(a)(i) and (ii), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a vehicle.
(4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.

Amended by Chapter 362, 2009 General Session

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7 years 8 weeks ago, 8:22 PM

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Gunslot....I was mistaken in my previous post HB357 does allow for a loaded weapon to be carried in your vehicle, are you in Utah?
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2009/bills/hbillenr/HB0357.htm

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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if you work on private property, it's perfectly legal. Its the same as stores and restaurants not allowing firearms

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 4:27 PM

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Thanx hamp, I have seen the 1st part 'bout bill 357 but was not familiar with the rest. No I don't work at wal-fart but close enough, it's a local grocery store known for being closed on sundays, I'd mention them by name but they'd probably try to sue me or some other crap. those of you from Utah probably know who I am talkin' 'bout. I think this bothers me so much 'cause I intend to carry often and conceal deep and don't like the idea of the, put the gun on and take the gun off an put it on again, game. I want to put it on and forget it's there and hope I never have to use it.

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7 years 24 weeks ago, 5:38 PM

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A lot of it depends on

how likely you are to get caught. It's also a risk vs gain thing. My work doesn't allow loaded guns on post at all, but that doesn't stop me. As was demonstrated outside a recruiting station in Arkansas and then again at Ft hood, I am in a job where I represent a nation hated by others, and the uniform I wear makes it very obvious who I am. It's pretty widely known that soldiers don't have guns on them when they're in uniform, so we make good targets. Howver, more and more of us have started taking the defense of ourselves and our community much more serious, as many of us recognize that a mass shooting, Mumbai-style attack is imminent and wish to be ready if we are within "ground zero". I could get in trouble if I am caught, but just like criminals who carry in public (guess I'm technically a criminal), I know what the authorities can and can't check or search, so I tailor my carry methods to defeat those rules.

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