coldfront |
I’ve known many people who have flown the Battle Flag, and none of them are racist. The entire State of Mississippi has been flying it over all of their government buildings since 1894. Texas flies the Stars and Bars at every governmental building as well (along with the other five flags to have flown over Texas). The reason behind the desire to honor symbols of the Confederacy is not racism. It instead stems from a regional identity and the noble notions of state sovereignty. These feelings of regional unity are only strengthened by the poor economic situation in many Southern states, and the sense they have that they suffer in poverty while the Northern states enjoy prosperity. It is understandable as well, only one Southern state makes the top ten ranks for average personal income, and then only comes in at 9th. Meanwhile, half of the states in the lowest ten ranks of personal income are in the South. Add to this economic stagnation and decay and you have a recipe for regional resentment. The false notion that the Battle Flag must be a racist symbol is born of the mistaken belief that the Civil War was about slavery. This bit of propaganda has been repeated ever since President Lincoln and his political allies decided to “free the slaves” (in actuality Lincoln only freed those slaves in the Confederacy, slaves in Union states such as Maryland and West Virginia remained slaves). The truth, however, is plain to anyone who wishes to delve into the history, and the proof lies in the proposed Corwin Amendment of 1861. This amendment was proposed by Congressman Thomas Corwin (R) from Ohio and stated, No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State. Prior to his election, Lincoln had voiced his support of the amendment. Like many politicians of his time, Lincoln believed in the preservation of the Union beyond all else. When the Bill was brought before the House seven states had already formally left the Union (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina) never the less the bill passed 133-65 and was forwarded to the Senate. In March of 1861 the Senate approved the bill 24-12. Both of these votes were from a Northern majority, seeing as most of the South had already left. Both the outgoing President, James Buchanan, and the newly elected Abraham Lincoln publicly endorsed the amendment. In fact, during Lincoln’s inaugural address he had this to say of the Corwin Amendment, I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution–which amendment, however, I have not seen–has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied Constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.1 The amendment went on to be ratified by Ohio, Maryland, and then Illinois before the outbreak of the Civil War halted the process of adopting the new amendment. Now ask yourself, if the Civil War was really about slavery why didn’t the Corwin Amendment, already passed by the Federal Legislature and well on its way to ratification (given the three free states which had ratified it, and the 15 slave states which would as well, only four more states would have needed to ratify it), end the conflict? The Northern states had already compromised on slavery. The truth is that the Civil War was not about slavery, it just became popular to create propaganda to make it seem so because it gave the Union an image of moral superiority. Despite these facts, I still oppose the use of the Confederate Flag and applaud Obama’s statement. Not because the flag is racist, but because flying it, especially on government property, is treason. The Confederate flag represents a nation which declared open war on the United States and attempted to do her harm. No matter what the basis of the original grievances, flying that flag now suggests a willingness to rebel against the United States of America, and suggests a certain disloyalty towards our nation. As such it is a treasonous act and one to be held in contempt. The symbols of the defeated CSA should be relegated to museums for future generations to learn about, and they should be retired from active use. Private use is a matter of free speech and should be protected, but public use by a government should be considered a high crime against our Union. Confucious say: Go to bed itchy asshole, wake up stinky pinky
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coldfront
true meaning
Papasan
Good summation on this particular topic, thanks coldfront
ebear
the mexican flag is cooler
reysanz630
is true the mexican flag is cooler with those colors......viva pancho villa
ebear
and george lopez too
raffycanlas
i aint racist, but i aint taking off the rebel flag hanging in my house.
ebear
put it next to a mexican flag.....looks colorful
raffycanlas
im not trying to offend mexicans like you but, your flag needs to stay in mexico.
ebear
pretty soon this will be mexico again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! viva zapata!!!!!!
Papasan
I won't remove my Jolly Roger flag either! Arrrrrg!
greasypaws
is biased obama bullshit anyway!racism?he is arab not african black,so his mush mouth bullshit dont even apply.
ebear
i've got a feliz Jorge
Papasan
Arrrrrg!
ebear
ayyyiayyyyyiiay
coldfront
I had to include that last paragraph just to show our new leaders ingnorance.
ebear
has allot of junk in her trunk........boing!!!!!
undeniable
It is not "cooler" It looks like a cheap knockoff of the Italian Flag. Or any other number of Eurotrash flags. Welcome to the Estates de Unitos. Stars and Stripes in our minds, Stars and Bars in our hearts. It's our inhereint right to mistrust and question all that any form of our government tries to tell us. Be it from the local levels all the way to the Feds. We vote them in because they say they think like we think, it however almost always changes once their butt hits that seat behind some big wooden desk. Theres that saying, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Well a little power I believe does the same thing to most people.
ebear
soon burritos will replace hot-dogs and paletas will replace apple-pie....
undeniable
It bugs me, everytime I hear it I think that jackass just ordered a donkey!
ebear
thats pretty much what it means...in mexico burritos are pretty small. the monsters sold here a quadruple the size
undeniable
Thanks, now I won't make fun of them anymore, although they won't get an apology from me either.
coldfront
burro + ito = little burro ( burrito )
myownguns
They already do in cal i want out-i have Lived here for 25 years came out here for a job,% more years I am going home to Kentucky!!!!!
undeniable
I lived there for 28 years. Thats how old I was when I left. I was 5th generation born there too. Just couldn't take the B.S. any longer.
reysanz630
they lived there way before you. cal was part of mexico until a stupid presidente sold out cal. to the gringos for silver
ebear
AND THE ONLY GAVE US ONE SET OF JUMPER CABLES, SO ALLOT OF US BROKE DOWN AND HAD TO STAY.
undeniable
Then there was a revolution and it bacame part of Mexico. Then there was another revolution and it was it's own independant nation. Then the U.S.A. invaded and forced Ca. to join the Union. Thats the history I know, and Mexicans can't claim it as theirs first. It was full of local tribes before all of that ever happened, so I guess posession is 9-10ths of the law in this case.
Papasan
Arrrrrg!
coldfront
they are just mad beacuase they cant have barbeques. the beans fall through the grill
undeniable
I think thats why almost every barbeque comes with a griddle now. I could be wrong though.
raffycanlas
speaking of obama and mexico, if i ever see obama in person, i will turn him into a mexican combo platter.
LLE
but that comment is sheer lunacy. Some T-Agent sees that, and you have just threatened the [life of] President Elect of the USA. I suggest you delete that posting ASAP.
undeniable
Unless you meant throwing rotten vegetables at him, regardless. You should watch what you say. I mean that respectfully, you just can't show inflection and with what tone you think I guess. I'm saying this looking at you level, not standing over you like your getting a ass eating. Hope you understand.
LLE
I guess I sounded like a critical parent, and I apologize for that.
The problem is that those Secret Service guys do not have much of a sense of humor about stuff like that.
raffycanlas
speaking of obama and mexico, if i ever see obama in person, i will turn him into a mexican combo platter.
raffycanlas
best barbecue is from tennessee, mexicans cant grill!
coldfront
hot plates, figures cant leave anyone out
ebear
im kinda partial to hawaiian bbq's roasted pig is the shizzle.its funny though when ever i used to have a taste for a burrito the mexican resteraunts were always packed with white people.........hhmm
reysanz630
that`s true, my friend has a mexican rest. and you only seen white and they enjoy la pinga del burrito
ebear
oh yeah they love that!!
coldfront
bro, I love mexican food. I'm at the local resturant here like 3 times a week.
ebear
we sprinkle heroin in it so you become addicted....
raffycanlas
yall ever had chile relleno? lol its so good!
ebear
my mother makes the best on the planet......she makes them too ways..hot and MOTHER FUCKER!!THIS IS HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
raffycanlas
thats it, after work(yes im working right now and im at gunslot) im going to the local mexican restaurant, order me a corona and a grande combo.
ebear
IM OFF TODAY.......BUT GO TO A GOOD RESTERAUNT, NOT TACO BELL
raffycanlas
we have an authentic mexican restaurant here, lol, the mexiacan restaurant in your area, do they give you free nachos? lol
ebear
FRESH MADE TORTILLAS MADE RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU........FUCK IT ....NOW IM GOING TOO..........DON'T TELL THE WIFE..I JUST HAD HEART SURGERY NOT TO LONG AGO AND SHE'SS ON ME LIKE FLIES ON SHIT!!
raffycanlas
it aitn gonna kill you, its not fast food haha
runawaygun762
I saw a mexican-looking guy working in Taco Bell, so it is authentic mexican-looking food. Even if it's not, Taco Bell is better than any of that Mexican crap anyway.