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6 years 7 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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I am thinking about getting a Crimson Trace laser sight for my G21SF. I Have done some research on them and i am pretty satisfied, just wanna know if anyone from the GunsLot family has any more info on them.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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I want one

I have been wanting to try these out for quite some time now. I have heard all sorts of things but one reoccurring piece of info I keep getting is that it takes a minute to get used to the extra size on a gun. Especially if you have had the weapon for a while and are already used to how it feels as of stock. Other then that I have heard all good news about them.

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 3:45 PM

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if you want laser grips, crimson trace is the way to go. have you considered an internal laser?

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 4:03 PM

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How do you go about getting those anyway?

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 4:10 PM

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what? crimson trace laser grips? or internal laser?

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 4:13 PM

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they are pretty expensive, but they don't add any bulk to your gun. laser max is a good make.
http://www.lasermax.com/category.php?id=1

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 4:29 PM

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Do you order a whole new lower?

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6 years 7 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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no, you just replace the factory guide rod with the laser max guide rod which has a laser in the middle. the on/off switch goes where the slide lock is.
http://www.lasermax.com/products/insertDemo.php

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 6:11 PM

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No CAT Laser Aiming devices makes one to fit underside/

6 years 7 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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internal laser

I've seen those before and they look like they work pretty good. Plus you don't get all the extra bulk.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 12:59 PM

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I bought them for my wife's Glock 26 - She loves them.

6 years 5 weeks ago, 6:05 PM

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I have a kel-tec pf9 w/laser sight works well for me point& shoot simple alignment where ever the dot is cancel all other plans 4 awhile
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6 years 5 weeks ago, 7:02 PM

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I heard that Crimson Trace Laser Sights are great, except for the fact that u sight them in, and then ever so often, u have to resite them in? I guess it is that way with most any sighting device though.

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6 years 5 weeks ago, 4:22 AM

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to go. I got one for my Springy XD40, and it works flawlessly. I have never had to resight it. It would be good to be cautious about the LaserMax internal laser. I did a lot of research, and there are reviews that are not too good regarding the that one, despite their nifty TV commercials.
Incidentally, I thought the extra grip bulk might be a problem, but surprisingly, it feels better with the Crimson Trace on. Also, Crimson Trace is great on customer service.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:45 PM

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Crimson Trace

I think I can jump with a litle authority here, I am currently the Training Director at Crimson Trace.

Please keep in mind that the vast majority of folks buy lasers for the wrong reasons "I can't shoot", but all it will do is show when you miss (need to master manipulation skills).

I am of course partial to Lasergrips from CTC, but if you consider Lasermax, keep in mind that the two products, although lasers, are as different as night and day, both in design and application.

Lasermax replaces the guide rod of your weapon and your slide stop/release. The new slide stop/release becomes the activation switch (on and off button). Lasergrips are integrated into a replacement grip and rely on intuitive activation (when you grip the gun the laser comes on).

As for sighting them in, thats one of our chief strengths, lasergrips are fully adjustable for windage and elevation, meaning you sight them in for the distance you want to use them at, I have all my guns for training (& defense) set at 10 meters (from contact distance out to about 35 meters the most I am off is about 1"), but their are guys at a local range near my home that have them on S&W M29's and Ruger Blackhawks and use them for shooting steel out to 100+ meters.

Remember a laser is always a straight line and runs true indefinitely, but your bullet does not, so for accuracy I prefer the ability to zero rather then rely on a factory setting.

Because we don't replace an internal component of a weapon, Crimson Trace has several OEM partnerships with manufactuers (Sig, Kimber, S&W, CZ, Beretta and more coming on line regularly) and we have a fully Milspec grip for the Beretta M9 and Sig M11 pistols (dust proof, shock proof, water proof)

I hope this helps

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:44 AM

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I used a set on an issue Beretta 92 and they were terrible. I have heard the company changed the activation pad, but the set I used would not activate when using a "stacked thumb"" gip on the Beretta. The Lasermax switch does not replace the slide stop on the Glock, it replace the takedown lever (I don't know what the correct term is for the Glock). The fact that the lasermax is in line with the bore means, for the most part, windage will not be much of an issue, and at the defensive ranges encountered with handguns, elevation won't either. I personally don't like the lasergrip concept, as a constant-on beam of light is not what i want. While it's not as obvious as a weaponlight left on, there are some times when a light source of any kind is not desirable.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:26 PM

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The model for the M9 has had not one but two formal changes since the model you are talking about, to include a mil spec version.

I carried a 202 (single pad) and a 302 (dual pads) on seperate tours in the land of the sand, I understand the problems experienced.

As for the Glock system, the existing system is on its way out (easy to get on clearence while they last) and is being replaced by a system more like the model for the XD pistol(exoskeleton).

The off set from the frame is a two fold issue (1) it is a replacement grip, not a compenent of the weapon and (2) its designed for professional application with supressed weapons and aftermarket rail mounted light systems.

As for accuracy at combative distance, true or atleast what one would beleive. Because nothing man made is ever perfect its nice to get things set (takes about 10 min) where you want them to be. Particularly on polymer guns. If everthing "in line with the bore" was, they would never sell adjustable sights.

As for uninteded activation, currently all models expect the litle tiny lasregaurd for the LCP or Keltec have master switches, this was an LE agency request and DOD directive so that they could conduct weapons training without the laser coming on.

Most problems that people occur, either with laser max or lasergrips, stem from easily addressed training related issues and these issues are common, but easily correctable.

We had a whole cavalcade of issues from a group of Marine and FBI weapons trainers out in Virginia, I spent a day with them and nearly everything was resolved just with a little training.

Don't have anything on the books yet, but when ever we have a training class up (usually LE or military sponsored) your more then welcome to come out and shoot some of my ammo and play a bit with the systems.

I am in Arizona as well and once and a while I am at Phoenix PD's range or Tucson PD's range, and I am frequently up in Las Vegas on a range (I am actually closer to Vegas then Phoenix or any other major city in AZ.

Shoot me an email off line and I'll keep you in the loop.

All the best

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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I suggest you work on you're golf stance. from what I hear LLE is a pro (among other things, professional of course) Looks like you're hunched too far forward. Can you upload a video of your swing? LLE will take it from here...

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5 years 39 weeks ago, 10:08 AM

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Yeah, my golf game is only good enough to keep business clients happy when we play.It does need alot of work. (ha ha)

Thanks

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