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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:44 PM

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Has anyone ever attemted this themselves? How did you do it? What were the results? Also where do you measure your 18'' from?

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:51 PM

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the measurement is the length of the barrel, so take it off and measure. I don't recommend doing it yourself, I would research the laws... but I'm pretty sure that its illegal. I think you need a gunsmith to do it. greasy may know a little more about this, I remember him talking about it

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:54 PM

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Most states 18 1/2" is

Most states 18 1/2" is legal.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:55 PM

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its 18" here in AZ, anything under is class 3

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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18 1/2"

Is the federal legal limit, just got done checking. I talked to my gunsmith and he said that if I go shorter then I would need a stamp. I was just wondering how hard it would be to do myself, since he wants $60 to do it.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:14 PM

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It can be done, but don't forget the Treasury Dept.They may want to TALK toyou if yoy accomplish your objective. Any shotgun barrel less than 18"
unless factory designed that way is illegal. Some states have laws besides
the feds. Several make any attempt a crime.
See if you can find an extra factory barrel thats close to 18 1/2" if possible ,sure would save a lot of hassle at the next road stop.

5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:15 PM

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How is it then?

That you can go to Cheaper Than Dirt and buy a shorter barrel for a Rem. 870? My problem is that I'am trying to convert my Moss. 835 into a home defense gun and can't find a manufactured barrel for it. I can find one for the 500, but not the 835.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:10 PM

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Let them do it. It will look alot better with the edges nice and square with a slight bevel to take off the burrs. You know this will turn it into a scatter gun right. If the gun is just a cheap piece for home defense and doesn't have to look pretty, then by all means do it yourself. Making the cut square and spending time finishing it off is all.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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Cut it with a bandsaw, on an 870 Wingmaster, goose gun... Came with a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG barrel and cut about 4 inches off of it. It had a vented rib, and I had to cut it where the rib joined the barrel. I had to drill a new hole for the front site(in the rib). Sanded the end square with a belt sander, and reamed the inside of the barrel to remove flash... I then tried to re-blue it but ended up having to reblue the whole barrel. I wouldn't do it again, because the value was drastically reduced. You could buy a second barrel and whittle away to your hearts content.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:20 PM

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ive always wanted to do it but its illegal here in tennessee.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 10:33 PM

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Federal law

for shotguns is 18 inch barrel and overall length of 26 inches. As for being illegal to cut your own gun down, that's bullshit. If a gunsmith can do it, so can you. Gunsmiths don't have any extra legal authority to modify weapons.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 1:29 AM

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Do a search on Ruby Ridge. The Feds really screwed Weaver over a sawed of gun barrel, and he did not even own the gun. That shotgun was cut less then a 1/4" to short. Less than a 1/4" cost him his wife and son because the Feds had a bone to pick with him. Me personally would not do this because why give those asshole's a reason to mess with you.Even if you have it at a legal length who is to say if they did confinscate it what would keep them from cutting an extra 1/2" to really screw you over.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 1:44 AM

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Randy Weaver

allegedly attempted to sell the gun to an ATF informant. Don't forget that many manufacturers make shotguns with 18 inch barrels. If F troop confiscates a gun with a 26 in barrel, what would keep them from sawing off eight and a half inches to get the conviction? Sawing off your own barrel is absolutely legal as long as you don't go under the two minimum lengths I stated above. The barrel is not the gun, the receiver is. Now, sawing off the barrel and stipling out the serial number is probably not a good idea.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 1:54 AM

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Everyone has got their opinion on this case, mine is the Feds screwed this up bad. Yes many manufacturers sell guns with 18" barrels, but you cut your barrel off they will easily be able to tell this. With it being a home cut job unless you take the time to smooth everything out the Feds rough edge will look just like the gun owners rough edge. If you leave your gun barrel factory it is a little more time consuming for the feds to try find something else to stick to you.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 2:01 AM

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Is that he brought attention to himself. If you cut a gun down for yourself, then there is no visibility to them and no issue. Shakelford wants a home defense piece, he didn't say he's trying to chop it and sell it. The point is, it's legal to do, just as it was legal for me to take a dremel and cut the extension off the slide stop lever on my Glock rather than buy a new one. It's just a gun part.

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5 years 43 weeks ago, 3:08 AM

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cutting down a barrel

as per FFL regulations,a registered and licensed gunsmith is "legally"the only one who can do this.if you do it yourself,measure from where the shell fits into the chamber(the flat end with the primer)then cut at a minimum of 18 and 3/4 inch.i measure and cut mine at 20 inches just to be damn sure they are legal.plus,there aint no functional difference between a 18 and a 20 inch barrel.if you are not comfortable spend the money and have a gunsmith do the work.

5 years 43 weeks ago, 8:50 AM

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Just go buy a a barrel. Not sure why you have to do it yourself.

5 years 43 weeks ago, 9:16 AM

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Can't find one

For the Mossberg 835

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5 years 39 weeks ago, 4:35 PM

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Shakleford wrote:
For the Mossberg 835

Shakleford have you tried asking Vic & Cheryl Havlin at www.havlinsales.com about an 835 barrel? They are the go to folks for just about everything Mossberg. You could also ask at www.corsonsbarrels.com for a possible barrel find. Good luck.

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5 years 39 weeks ago, 4:22 PM

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Barrel Cutting

The best way to measure a shotgun barrel to be cut is with the action closed measure from the bolt face out. That's the way the BATF will measure it if the barrel length is suspect to them. The BATF enforce the 18 in barrel length and 26 1/2 over all measurement laws. States can make the barrel's mandatory length longer by law but, not shorter than the BATF law. For instance the BATF law says no shorter than 18 inches barrel length but, the state you live in may enforce it's own law that a barrel can be no shorter than say 20 inches for example. Federal law supersedes any state or local law or ordinances. If there are no different state or local laws with regards to the short barreled shotguns BATF laws, you can work on your own guns anyway and anytime you want (the work must stay within the law). To work on someone else's gun, you need a FFL, or have the gun owner by your side the entire time the work is being done and no $$$ are to change hands for the work done on the gun. Hell legally by BATF law, you need a FFL to even give your favorite reloads to one of your buddys. Cutting a shotgun barrel down isn't a hard job. Make sure you cut it straight and crown it right with some blue touch up or a complete barrel rebluing and they look good. Drill your front bead hole (if you wish to use a bead) and thread it, screw the bead in and your done. The ugly duckling barrel cut down jobs most see are jobs that haven't been finished. Re-crowning the barrel's muzzle end and some touch up bluing will make a world of difference in the looks. I've done several before. I do always allow an extra 1/2 inch on the barrel length to stay on the safe/legal side. If you can cut straight, re-crown the barrel's muzzle end, drill and tap the bead hole, and do a little bluing touch up you can do the job easy. In the state I live in it's legal to do this. I don't know the laws of every state so, you better check them BEFORE you begin this barrel job. Some states do not allow a shotgun barrel to be cut down by any length, unless it's sent back to the maker to have the work done. For example sending a 30 inch Rem. 870 barrel back to Remington to be cut down to 28 inches and have Rem. chokes installed. Federal BATF laws are easy to follow, all those dam different state laws are the ones that sneak up and bite you on the ass.

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5 years 15 weeks ago, 1:55 PM

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I have a Stoeger Coach gun. It is a break action side-by-side 12ga. It left the factory with exactly 18-1/2" barrel and it is very clear it has NOT been modified.

The overall gun length currently is just over 30" remminesent of the shotguns you see in old west movies on a horse. I actually shot a 19 in trap with it, pretty impressive given its short length.

I am well aware of what class 3 weapons, tax stamps, and C-68 law are. I am aware federal and local laws may exist and that federal law trumps state and local oridanace.

My question is specific to the C-68 law. On one post a user states that the BATF enforces the 18-1/2" and 26-1/2" law over all else. The law itself states some very specific exceptions. Such as the words "centerfire" and "semi-automatic". Being that there have not been nor do I intend to shorten the barrel at any time and that it is factory 18-1/2", and that it is NOT a "semi-automatic" can the overall gun length be shortened below 26-1/2" by means of shorting the stock or replacing it with a pistol grip?

The gun would be pretty cool, if the stock could be modified to about 25", 26-1/2" would just be odd on the gun design. I have no intentions of breaking any laws. My understanding from the law itself is that it is infact legal given it is not semi-automatic and I am not modifying the barrel.

Nonetheless am I going to get hassled by police, other folks at the range to the point where I am defending myself in court over someone elses misunderstanding of the law? Is an officer going to bust out his tape measure quote less than 26-1/2" and not know the basic exceptions of non-centerfire and non-semi-automatic?

I understand it is in fact legal according to C-68 since it is not semi-automatic to be under 26-1/2", is this correct or does someone care to dispute with an actual quote from the law, I am not concerned with hersay.

Second, if in fact legal, how likely is it that this is going to be a problem with any law enforcement agency...?

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