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2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:01 PM

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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Got mine..

Now i have to decide what to do with them..the SMLE.. i've already got a couple mags ordered 22 bucks each (used of course) 24 with a 10% discount for quantities 2 or over.. Not sure if i'm going to scope it or maybe turn it into a jungle carbine.. I really like the looks of those, and a cheap redo.. Doesn't have any collector value with a 1944 mfg date. (watch i'll mess it up and find out it was like the last one made at the factory) will see..

Fun to have a 1911 again.. I field striped, and cleaned it last night.. didn't shoot myself in the eye with the recoil spring, so i tried again this morning.. Few things more fun than field striping guns with the smell of #9 in the background.. striping and reloading magazines.. ok time to get off before we all get misty eyed.. night all..

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:55 PM

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dates differ between 'theaters' of course, I wouldn't write it off to quick if I were you Greg...........

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 10:09 PM

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yeah hamp..

yep, know the war went to mid june of 45 in Europe, thats why i had last before the "factory" closed..Not sure on VJ day.. rather admit the obvious than google.. I should know this to.., i remembered this the other day when ISD was talking about his Grandfather and shore patrol.. My Pop had SP duty in San Diego VJ night..

I did google the Lee Enfields, no surprise on how many or how many diff factory's made them..

Brother told me a sad story when we were talking about how many company's made the 1911..One of his friends from OCS..(course these guys went straight to Nam) had also taken his private owned 1911 over.. Guess this was not as popular as you would think, and lots of paper work..

Anyway the friend did what my brother did with the Remington Rand A1 and replaced bbl, recoil spring, sear & trigger group.. basically all new but the frame and slide, all else replaced with new Army issued steel.. Gary said this was a common practise with old service pieces not having matching numbers, and not unusual.. At any rate the friends turned out to be a WWII singer..Of course they had no idea of the "ex" value they made by doing this.. He said the only reason he remembered was the kidding about Singer sewing machine.. and how happy his friend was to replace what he "assumed" would be a cheaper made auto.. I don't know how many Singers were made, but one less for collectors..

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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Singers

Not many and very few made it out really as by the time they had things up and running things overseas where slowing and shutting down.

That is one of the reasons they are so expensive and the top 1911 counterfeited collectible.

I think there is a registry you can actually look up the markings on the rifle at, telling you Armory that made it, year, and so on, possibly where it was sent and what unit it was issued into if it made it past storage.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 51 weeks ago, 12:13 AM

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singers redux

Yep they were the only one that had any real value back in the eighties.. this was when the "wonder 9's" were the big thing, and before the 1911 "craze".. To be clear i (and others) weren't buying them in "collector" mode, Just dirt cheap shooters..Today's SK's.. you could still get a singer at that time.. i remember seeing them in gun stores..unusual, and pricey, but not unheard of..

A run of the mill .. lets say what i have now . a no match serial # (see above) rem/rand would go 200-300 depending on condition. Started selling mine when the prices doubled.. late 80's or so. Now with any providence at all your looking at 3K plus for the same piece..

On the SMLE.. yeah thanks for the registry info.. When i googled them i found a "stamp" page, that at least breaks down the mfg..

I honestly believe that anyone buying old Colts, or anything for that matter that is no longer made is buying fun gold.. Something that will appreciate, and in most cases can still be fired.

Glad, but surprised that the old gun craze has not caught on with collectors, as with the auto industry for example.. we've all seen auctions that are selling mint old vehicles for name your price amounts.. I see guns as the same type of investment, and with few exceptions you can still shoot them.. Even that first generation SAA has factory loads..(thinking of scofield) that are soft, safe, and fun. least more fun than fondling a bunch of gold coins.. MHO stuff for sure.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 4:42 PM

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buy your ammo now

if O wins prices will go up again,guns to,and join the NRA.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:13 PM

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lucky..and NRA members

Wish M&Q had a little "life time NRA" icon to give you "lifers" a pat on the back..

Good on all of you guys who are life time NRA..go thru the same thing every year.. More to support, than we can. so wind up either passing or doing a one year..Those who step up and do the life time membership are insuring our rights.. Good going bearded wonder..

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:21 PM

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Billy told me last night that more than a couple of rep's he and the group of calls three shooters he is buddies with have been informed of a 10% increase for the cost of Bullets, including Lead ones coming up very soon.

The reason behind it is being laid at the cost of the base metals on the market. But, with that increase and then if there is even more added to it.

Reloading is going to cost almost as much as buying loaded ammunition at todays prices.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:32 PM

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Well then, I guess

it's time to stock up on supplies. I load .223 almost exclusively (have 9mm dies but having a spot of bother with the sizing die) but 7.62X39 and X54 I have by the crate, don't shoot it much. I don't buy the surplus .223 steel case as I believe that the anti rust coating has a hand in accelerated fouling, especially after switching back to brass without cleaning in between.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 7:11 PM

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most

most of my ranges won't accept steel cased ammo.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 7:33 PM

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steel case ammo,

that's because brass is worth $$$$$$ It ain't from the goodness of their heart!

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 7:34 PM

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is that it?

i was wondering......

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 9:16 PM

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lots of ranges prohibit steel core ammo for safety reasons. I've never heard of them prohibiting steel cases... must be a meskin thing

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 9:21 PM

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hell it's your extractor, what does a range care if you chew it up faster on steel cases?

Steel Jackets separate and do come back after hitting on a funky angle and they are turned into high speed razors. Steel core, eats up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Back stop, trap and they too can come back with a vengeance too.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 9:29 AM

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Most steel case ammo such as Wolf has a varnish coating on it to prevent corrosion and the primers are also sealed with it to prevent moister getting into the case.

All this varnish cooks off at temp, then cools and coats the chamber. I do not know how much anyone likes cleaning crap that doesn't really want to come off, but I get twisted about 2 minutes in. When I know for a fact that paying $2.00 more for 20 rounds would have kept me from having to experience that particular joy of shooting.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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coating on steel cases

wolf and the other russian animals (tigers and bears) used to use a lacquer coating. They have switched to a polymer coating in the past couple years which isn't near as bad. I still don't like running it through ARs but do from time to time. The eastern bloc rifles don't mind it at all.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 12:18 PM

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Ruski critter bb's

My Tantal never hiccuped with it for sire.

But it did have a bunch of red lacquer flaked all over inside.

Poly coating wouldn't be as bad like you pointed out. But still the steel case is probably going to lower the MFT of the extractor in the end.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 12:36 PM

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Steel cases..

I had a buddy who bought a ton of the lacquered cases.... And fired through his AR with my slide fire stock. He's still trying to get all that crap out.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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LOL

I bet!

I cleaned one of the AKS74U's used at the last machine gun shoot. I went through almost three cans of Gun Blaster getting goo cleaned out completely.

It ran fine, but cleaning it up was a pain.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 8:35 AM

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Lacquered cases

I made that mistake once. I picked up a box of .30-06 Monarch's from Academy and wasn't paying attention. I guess I just like the price so much. Anyway after a day of shooting at a buddy's land, I realized what a mistake it was. I threw what was left away. That stuff is ain't good for nothing. Maybe if you got a crappy rifle you don't care about like an AK...

Now leaving to avoid the AK fan shitstorm. ;)

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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Hamp...

What is the load you use on your 5.56? I load a lot of it and always looking for a better bullet.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 1:01 PM

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ronin, my most common

load is a 55grn Hornady Vmax with 25 grn charge.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:05 PM

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Hamp...

What powder do you use? I normally stock Varget and H4895.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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Powder,

I have been using Accurate 2460 http://www.accuratepowder.com/products/rifle/?view=13&product=2460

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:13 PM

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Is it more for tuning your load for a more accurate shoot, or does it really cost less in the end to reload your own?

I know it sounds like a silly question. But with the cost of 20 rnds of Federal 55gr at $6.00 a box. Are you still saving a nominal amount of cash?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 3:46 PM

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I have not done the math but IMO you get a better bullet for less money and it's fun to do:-)

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 5:20 PM

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Reloading rifle

Maybe not on all calibers, but I can load hornady ballistic tips for my .308 for about .50 a round, and pay about 27.00 per 20 at a store. I would call that a significant savings.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 5:37 PM

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accuracy, availability.
I started because it was a long way to town. Now I just can't make myself buy rifle ammo for my .243 even though I can be at a retailer in under 5 minutes.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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and did some math for my .223 loads all prices and product are from Sportsman's whse, where I typically go on any Sunday for supplies. My hand loads are a comparison in cost between 55gr Hornaday V-MAX factory loads and the same bullet in hand load.

100 VMAX 55gr bullet................$18.00/box
Ilb Accurate 2460.......................$21.00
100 Federal sm rifle primers........$3.30/box
(brass is recycled so not including cost)

For 500 rds (typically 1lb of powder)

bullets.........$90.00
powder.......$21.00
primers.......$16.50

total: $127.50

500 rds of factory loads $20.00/ 20rd box =$500

In this instance we are talking apples and apples, I know that if bought in bulk from this dude or that dude in this load and that load, blah blah blah! would produce different results, this is typical Sunday shooting comparison, no web order or any of that.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 5:55 PM

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Hamp,

And I have been looking into bulk Internet ordering. If you can get a break on shipping, it gets even cheaper. Plus, I just love the satisfaction I get when I make a batch of rounds that shoot beautifully.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 6:07 PM

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ronin, I agree

there are some that would argue that factory loads are better, but I don't think so, some of my most accurate groups came from hand loads. I really should buy supplies in bulk and just stockpile it for when I have time to work the bench, more savings is always good.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 6:10 PM

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in Hellinois? or is that Verboten?

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