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3 years 43 weeks ago, 6:41 AM

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What do you visualize needing your firearms for?
What "movie" do you see?
What scenario do you imagine?
Katrina again?
Resident Evil?
Red Dawn? (but Chinese this time)
Or, (shudder the thought) something between Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Really, Let fly guys (and gals)
This could be fun. Or really scary.

3 years 43 weeks ago, 7:14 AM

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I have a ' friend ' who has many cases of ammo in the bacement. "Just in case". In case of what, I wonder? Invasion? Social collapse? Al Quida attacks Midwest? Wouldn't he be better served with more MRE's and water? If it really got dangerous wouldn't you need fuel more?
I'm just thinking a metric ton of ammo is hard on the gas mileage of most minivans.

3 years 43 weeks ago, 7:37 AM

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I do not limi myself for just one situation because that would leave you weak if things changed. I say keep your head in the game and prepare for as many different senerios as possible. I know you can;t plan for everything, but you can sure as hell make you and your family more comfortable. As for your friend with the cases of ammo in his basement, he needs to be more selective with whom he tells he has ammo and needs to find a new place to store it. Remember I would rather be the guy with more ammo than I need than the guy digging through the junk drawer for the loose 22 ammo because I did not think ammo was important. The way I look at it he who has the guns and ammo, can also be the guy that has all the other supplies he might want. I love neighbors that believe that food and water stores are more important than having something to defend themselves because it makes shopping at their house easier. A well layed plan is the way to go and then you don't have to worry about eating the neighbors.

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3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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Great Scott Man!
Really? Are we only a crisis away from loosing all sence of civilization? Aren't we as Americans better than that? Really? If a man came to your door with a hungry family, would you shoot them and go through thier pockets for loose change? Really? We as Americans have a heritage of looking out for each other. How far have we fallen?

3 years 43 weeks ago, 12:04 PM

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seems this thread is based more in personal philosophy than in strategies.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 43 weeks ago, 8:41 AM

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ustacould nope,

The loose change would have no value in a colapse. No I would not shoot them but I am handing nothing out for free. I have a family and I don't make alot of money and I have planned ahead and did without somethings to be prepared. I am not going to support some dumbass that did not worry to plan ahead. I will let them work for food and water, but they will be searched for weapons. My family first theirs second, and maybe the is "Un-American" of me, but thats just me I guess.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:23 PM

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or the looting after any disaster.
What kind of people are we?

Every man for himself.

Lord have mercy on our souls

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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Amen.

Lord have mercy.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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I was watching looting after Katrina.
They were stealing heavy T V sets
with no place to plug them up.

Those are people who deserve to be
gater bait.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:48 PM

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The whole Katrina thing was a sad testimony to New Orleans. And then they came to Houston and crime went crazy against all of the people trying to help them with food and shelter. It was very sad. Not all people from there are like that; just the criminals.

3 years 43 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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I'm a Boyscout and I was taught to be prepared, for what you might ask? For any damn possibility that comes about if at all possible...

How American is that?

BTW: You evidently are doing one of two things about now.

1. reaching for a match to throw on the gas you've spilt

2. standing somewhere up there looking down hoping for a seriously good crank on the chain.

If your BIO indicates anything...

"Reality based firearms use only. Not one to watch reruns of Red Dawn while fondling a belt fed anything. (However, deep down part of me wants to remain on civil speaking terms with those that do. No sense in burning bridges needlessly.)"

If it happens to be either of those two I would probably skip it all and stick with just kicking the can with everyone...

of course this is just my opinion...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 43 weeks ago, 6:25 PM

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Yes, I agree with the Brigadier. It is more a issue of personal philosophy. While I do maintain a 'collection' of firearms that are of military design, only the most dire of circumstances would instigate their deployment. Here in the rural midwest, we know our neighbors. We look out for each other during power outages, severe storms, and those hardships (minor as they are) that go along with living 'off the concrete'.
That being said, (I will now proceede to speek out both sides of my mouth.) I watched with horror the coverage of the L.A. riots. I noted the Korean shop owners defending their shops. These attackers were not in dire need. They were a mob of vandals.
I believe my point is, that steadfast defence of home and family MUST be influenced by compassion, and charity. If you follow the long lane to the farmhouse, and politely ask, you will probably receive charity. You should also understand that several of my sons and daughters are out of sight, listening carefully with a straight finger over the trigger guard and a thumb over the safety. Prudent Charity.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 2:21 AM

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is my safety,but i get your point,good post.

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My biggest concern is an act of domestic terrorism while I am away from the house. I can't realistically carry a rifle with spare mags and full med pack everywhere I go, so that is the situation that concerns me the most. It is also the most likely situation that a firearm will be needed. Imagine the carnage that could have been caused by three or four rifle-armed terrorists versus one guy with a Glock in Tucson, or the mall in Utah, or any of the high-profile school shootings. It is not inconceivable (sp) to have our own version of the Beslan school hostage situation right here.

As far as civil unrest or natural disaster, I'm not too concerned with it, as every few years, there's a three-week power outage due to snow and ice in my part of the state. My house isn't prepared like it should be, but I just bought it not too long ago and then came to this god-awful place.

usatcould, I will help anyone I can, and I agree that a community co-op type system is the best idea when times get tough. But if things deteriorate too much (Think extreme, like Book of Eli or The Road), then my family has to come before others. If I have, I will keep. If I don't have, I will get. That's simply how it would have to be. I doubt it will ever come to that.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 6:44 PM

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Thank you for your thoughtful post.
I have also considered the possibility of disaster striking while away from home. I just don't have a good answer for it. Yes those "Pistols" in .223 and 7.62x39 look like great trunk guns. (However, if used would make national headlines) But I must remember last year when my car was broken into. Do I want to contribute that to the criminal arsenal? This last time all they got was a tire iron. No, you just can't leave someting like that in a car. You can't take it along either. High capacity carbines cause alarm in most stores including "Tractor Supply". So, do you stay burrowed in the bunker? Hardly.
There is no foolproof plan. But no plan, is proof you're a fool. (Did I just invent that? That's pretty darn good.)
We strive for practicality. Every Fourth of July all the kids, their wives and husbands, are invited over. We eat canned veggies, and some pretty darn good barbeque, can more veggies and meats, shoot all the guns and clean them. We turn the early teens loose with the four wheelers to set up and retrieve targets. (While all wepons are grounded, of course) Most of those gathered are ex military in one way or another. After the last dirty patch and all the brass is policed ( and the young ones busy) we review the distress phrases, the best ways out of town off road, and other contingency plans.
All before dark, when those so inclined head off to local fireworks and the first beer is opened. This is the only time these things are widely discussed. It is a fitting holiday for it.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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I think my mouse is sticky. Grandchildren, koolaid, go figure.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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Honey you know your favorite Keyboard "The one hooked to my graphics system?" yes, well I had Shelby(4) sitting at it playing with the coloring program you installed on it " yeah?" she wasn't feeling so well and kind of got sick.. "Ok, how is she? and don't worry I can wash it when I get home" well she also got it all over your Wacom Tablet, your mouse and some in your CD server....

ugh....

:)) gotta love em...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 42 weeks ago, 2:19 AM

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its a good thing i can clean up after you boys( double posts).carry on.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 2:44 AM

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some of these wekend warriors were concerning me...

3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:11 PM

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Zombies and Ice T

I try to prepare for almost anything. I do find myself playing out Red Dawn scenarios quite often where my family will be fending for ourselves. I try to be prepared to live off the land and have proper survival gear to live in most weather conditions. It's not always the commies we're hiding from/fighting, but can be caused by anything from natural disasters, airborne illness, foreign invaders/terrorists/biological attacks, detainment camps, etc... where we have no choice but to retreat from our home in the city and go to a more remote location for an uncertain amount of time.

Zombies don't worry me that much. A zombie target rich environment is actually one of my fantasies... If they could contain them and breed them on an island, I would be willing to pay good money to go on a weekend hunting trip. If that's unrealistic, I'll settle for hunting Ice-T like they did in Surviving the game... but I get to be gary busey

Hey look... its runaway and ebear

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:15 PM

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concrete bunker and all.

Never can be too ready

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I would love to have land and a bunker... its not realistic now, but hopefully someday. I'll go there and play with my guns by myself on sundays, just so people will think i'm nuttier than LBC screaming at himself for pissing his pants. For the mean time, I may be paying you a visit... I'll bring a truck full of food/water/survival gear/guns and ammo.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:23 PM

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Can I come to your place when shit goes down..........I've got a few of those Semi-Auto you're always talking about picking up!LOL!

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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When England discovered they didn't have enough
side arms Churchill said make me a gun that will shoot
one time accurately and you can have one of those
fine pistols made in West Germany.

Sounds good to me anyway.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:55 AM

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That's the way to go

I have a nice rifle because I like to train on a similar system that i use at work, but a group of guys armed with old mosins and SKS rifles can very easily ambush a smaller force and secure their weapons. Then ammo gets supplied by the enemy.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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Cain't visit W

without wheel guns! No auto's allowed unles SHTF!

3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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Shug I never said that

I used to own a Colt Gold Cup National Match
until I gave it to my brother.
Autos have their place in life. If I were in a war
zone I might prefer the firepower of an auto
but everyday shooting I prefer the slower well placed shot
of a wheel gun.
I love my lever action 30-30 but if in war again I would
want a higher rate of fire.
I grew up with a single shot shotgun and single shot 22.
That's just the way things were. Take time and aim.
I have an automatic 22 I like to open up with some times
just for the thrill.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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I was just joshin ya cause I know you like the wheel guns. We all like what we like; that's what makes the world go round.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:48 PM

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than a Black Rhino. I know when someone is
jerking my chain in fun and it don't bother me.

Don't scream when I jerk yours.

Aint life wonderful.

I used to get a kick out of people who claimed
to be able to strike a match at 100 yards.
I want to know how they saw it that far.

Although I've seen some shooting make me
cry in shame.
Elmer Keith and Bill Jordon for starts
Ole Elmer put six shots through one quarter
size hole at 50 yards with a 41 mag.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:51 PM

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I am just enjoying gunslot so much this time around that I am trying to have a lot of fun with everyone. It is good to talk to folks with similiar interests. I would never try to make someone mad. Too old and kind hearted for that anymore.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:57 PM

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It would be one I am most familiar with and
know it to be proven reliable.
I want an M1 Garand.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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but my first choice would probably be the M14; I carried the M16. Liked it fine but qualified with the M14 and loved it.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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My right thumb is twice as big as my left from
being crushed by the bolt of an M1 when I
was 13 years old. I went to a military high
school and we trained with M1s. At 14 I was
shooting an M1 and it was like a 10 gauge
having that steel butt plate.
But I still love them. When I went into the
army in 65 was issued an M14. It was ok
but I still prefer the M1.
May be it's because my dad always bragged
how good the M1 was in WW11.
Things get set in your mind early sometimes

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:15 PM

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That the M1 was one of the most decisive weapons that ensured the winning of much of the Battles of WWII...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:15 PM

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I acutally liked the M16 but for just shooting striaght and long, I bet M1 and M14 are better. I don't know anymore about the AR's; they might be able to do this also.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:20 PM

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Gotta go chase Granni

around the kitchen for something to eat. Talk later. Good luck guys.

3 years 42 weeks ago, 4:32 PM

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I hear the old Springfield's were a really good gun in their day. My boss just picked up a 1903 Springfield. Needs a new stock but other than that pretty clean.

3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:36 PM

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accurate guns ever made. American snipers used
Springfields for many years.

I get a kick out of "Saving Pvt Ryan"
The American sniper puts a shot in the scope of
the German sniper. That's some shooting.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:42 PM

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One of my faveorite Sniper Rifles. One of the best in my view. Dont know how accurate this statement is but I have heard rumors that they use springy '03 in the ROTC for training still? Or at least thats what my cousin said a few years back...but I aint gonna swar to it.

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Snake I know for sure

The ROTC drill teams use 03s for drill
not shooting

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Think that would be sweet for sure...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:08 PM

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google it

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Pretty sure most if not all are using M4's now...

just checked it out...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:29 PM

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with 03 Springfields.
Not the 1st time to be wrong

When I was in HS we used 03s but that was
a hundred years ago

I was referring to drill teams
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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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Pretty sure they are, I know the Honor Guard still had them on Tinker AFB back in 81. Franky I don't think they could do Drill with an M4 anywhere near what they can do like with the 03.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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and with a dark stain and white sling the sure looked nice

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:32 PM

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exchanging rifles with an M4

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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LOL

Yeah, lot of "shit" and Fuck" under the breath passing around and they tried to twirled and pass a M4...

lol

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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