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5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:09 PM

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i can shoot, can you? do you think girls can shoot?

i may be a girl but i bet i can shoot better than you!!
5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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girls and shooting

It seems like this is a loaded question, one that is designed to create arguements. It is a proven fact that females can shoot. There are many women in the military, there are female cops, and women in recreational shooting situations all over the country.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:31 PM

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Steadier nerves, less testerone, no ball sac to crimp shooting nerves (joke). Great eye to hand coordination. Now with really big guns, .44 and up men are just stronger to contain forces.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:42 PM

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I would think the only

problem might be with more powerful weapons, and really mostly with smaller framed women, otherwise with practice there is no real reason why they couldn't shoot as well or even better than a man...in my opinion. I have a female friend in the USMC and trust me, she probably can shoot as well if not better than 90% or better of you...haha.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:47 PM

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why is that people must make themselves feel better by berating others? Pkato's friend in the Marines is probably a very good shot don't flame me Pkato, I am agreeing with you!!). I thought that once hussein was president, the "minorities" would be satisfied and stop their victimization projection.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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Hey a fact I heard

That 90% of all assisins are women.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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What

90% of what are woumen ?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:04 PM

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In the years I spent in Israel, different times during different parts of my life, not all at the same time, it was about 6 years altogether I guess. But each time I was there, except one, I work directly with a lady Colonel, who was the best shot I've ever seen in my life. She was a staff officer with Israeli Air Wing Command, but she had spent many years in the field and with the IDF that says a lot right there about her. There was something about this Colonel, that when you looked into her eyes, you could almost smell the freshly turned graveyard dirt. I'd been told by others who knew her much better than I did, that as a sniper she had over 70 kills to her credit. She never said a word to me about it. But she was one hell of a fine command officer and strategist and warrior. She was in fact quite very scary if you knew what to look for in the eyes of a real warrior like her. Someone who has seen too much and caused too much death over a long period of time, that was her.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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I am horny just reading about her

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I absolutely love women like that, although she was probably a lesbian...haha.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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Pkato and lesbians

doesn't that make the fantasy abit more intriguing?
;)

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:23 PM

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Pkato, LOL!

That's really funny. And I know you were just kidding about the lesbian thing. In fact, I knew her husband and all three of her children. Her oldest son was also an Israeli Air Wing Commando and was on one of my teams during a mission. Her husband was a Brigadier General supposedly with IDF Armor Command, but he had Sword of Gideon written all over him. We became close friends. He was a scary guy too. He was short and pudgy and looked more like a choir boy than a soldier. Why is it that the nerveless iron men of this world almost never look or act the part?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:04 PM

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If you don't mind my asking. What were the weapons of choice in the Air Wing Commando Group ?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:28 PM

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For many years, you just wouldn't believe the number of bad guys the the IAWC killed with just an Uzi and brains. Also they did reinvent the whole idea of the 9mm parabellum round. IMI first came up with the idea in what they called the 9mm x 21mm magnum parabellum. Then when IWI got together with Raphael they went 1mm better and came up with the 9mm x 22mm mag para. These guys are the world's masters of "hugging" style combat. That's combat that takes place at ranges of less than 50 meters and usually a lot less. It wasn't until just 3 years ago that the Israeli built a weapon that they felt was ready to replace the venerable Uzi. For distance work it's useless, but up close in a confined and enclosed area, even today the Uzi is the most deadly weapon in the world. IMHO. And since the introduction of the Uzi, the kill rate vs Palestinian terrorists and thugs, went up to about 600 for 1. That's a better combat ration than just about any military in the world. Now they have the Tavor family system of weaponry. It took a weapon with the firepower, reliability and ease of use to finally replace the Uzi and on some types of missions even today, they set the fancy new Tavors down and pick up the old reliable Uzi.
Brains however are their best weapons. Military Intelligence in the IDF is not considered a joke, and for good measure they work closely with both the Mossad and the two Mossad elite units, the Sword of Gideon and the Sword of Daniel. Today they have interesting tools like Matador and Corner-Shot and the new rocket propelled grenades and American made grenade launchers when they need a little extra firepower, but usually not. These guys do covert missions mostly and they don't like to make a lot of noise unless they have to. Tavors come with really good sound and flash suppressors. They also like booby traps a lot, hidden time bombs and the like and they are very clever with these. They have all kinds of toys and goodies too that I really can't discuss.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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I noticed that women learn better than the men did. When we would train women they would listen. Never had a women act like she knew it already. The women paid attention, had better physical skills and placed more effort into the training

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 3:13 PM

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Here I go looking like a chauvenistic pig again, but look at the raw scores of the top competitive shooters. men outshoot women. Now I realize there are a large number of women who can outshoot me, just as there are a large number of women who can outrun me, outlift me, and so on. But comparing genders, men outshoot women.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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Girls can shoot

My friends wife can out shoot me with a rifle any day of the week. And not just the rimfire stuff. I've seen her handle a 300 win mag like a champ and shoot it better than I can.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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my wife can hit any thing she aims at with all of firearms.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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Mark3030, sounds like you better be a good boy then. :)

5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:19 PM

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A bunch of guys who can't shoot. No offense, guys, but I'm seeing a large number of people who are saying they personally know women who can outshoot them. My wife qualified higher than me once. I had a bent front sight post, so I only shot 29/40 on the M4 qual course. She shot 30. I'm not making excuses, I should have fixed the weapon or drawn a different one for the range, so it was my bad. I zeroed a different rifle and went back to shoot 37/40. So she technically outshot me as she qualified higher than me, but do I say she can outshoot me? No. Guys, get out to the range. It's not cute. If this applies to you, then there ya go.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:40 PM

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I have to agree with runaway762. On the average I can't believe that the certainly fairer sex can out shoot men. Empircal statistics, I haven't seen, but it doesn't make sense to me that women are out of hand superior when it comes to firearms. I'm not sure about the lady at (I believe)Front Sight though.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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Hell yes we can shoot, I even have a .50 Cal round with your name on it. Hey boys want to come and play with a real women........LOL

5 years 30 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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But my comment was that when comparing genders, men outshoot women. You may be able to hit me with your .50, but probably not as far out as I could hit something. Note I didn't say you, as I would not want to make it seem like I am threatening someone's life. but thsat's just me. Don't get all mad, just try to see what I'm saying before threatening my life. By the way, the .50 does no good when you're in wal mart and someone online has your picture, yet you don't know what they look like. HAH HAH HAH, TAG, YOU'RE IT!!!!

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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Female shootings

My wife is a very good shot. When it comes to iron sights she can out shoot me and I have no problem with that at all. She has better eye sight than I do. She can see stuff that I can't see, I have to see it to hit it. I can out shoot her with a scope on a rifle. But she will soon be able to out shoot because of my disablity. That is fine with me I love watching her shoot and I spot for her. I know in the offhand postion she can out shoot me. So if I need something shot at from the offhand postion I give her the rifle to take the shot. Runawaygun she does have a 50 BMG round and she is a feisty redhead wife of mine.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:30 PM

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with gender itself, just interest and upbringing. Boys play army and are groomed to hunt by their fathers. Girls, by and large, are not. That's just training and orientation. In something like tennis you can see a clear difference. Men, on average, simply hit the ball much harder, so the speed of the game is faster. Men are bigger and stronger--usually. That is reflected in the game itself where there are more sets for men than women. But there's nothing in the art & science of shooting that gives a physical or mental advantage to men. That's like saying men are suited to be doctors and pilots where women are more suited to be nurses and stewardesses.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:23 PM

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You guys got an "EMU" running loose up there. Man, that's supper.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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That like back in first grade saying "Girls rule, boys droll!" At least, my brother says "Boys rule, girls droll" and he's 7.

Heck yeah!

Most weman I know could esally out-shot their hubbys, but I also know alot of men folk who could esally out-shot their wife.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:28 PM

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up the road that raises them for meat. Am I missing something? According to the owner of the farm, they're pretty stupid.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:36 PM

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look at the numbers

in competitive shooting. Men's raw scores are better than women. Ultimately, it comes down to training, but for people to say women are more naturally gifted shooters because of some crap about better breathing control or steadier nerves, or menstral blood allowing a Jedi Master-like mental connection with the bullet and whatever else is ridiculous. I guess a good way to look at it would be to take scores from all the women and all the men in a particular shooting discipline, from novice to master, and do some crazy whiz-bang math shit and you could figure out who shoots better, but I still fail to see how someone could be proud to say a woman outshoots them. I know, I'm a chauvenist, but only because I have testes. Well, okay, my wife keeps my balls in the cargo pocket of her uniform, but they still technically belong to me.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:43 PM

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Well, I know I crap my pants when I try to shot. I wouldn't be a good canidate to shot.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:45 PM

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Tks, that was instructive and gives me a better perspective.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 5:51 PM

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of Israeli vs Hamas fighting a few months back, I sent an email to the Israeli government saying I wish we in the American military could be as decisive as they are. You gotta love the Israeli style. Sniper shooting at you from a building? Why risk a squad or platoon clearing the building when an F16 will do it more quickly? We in the American military train for all sorts of different contingencies, but the Israelis train knowing for a fact that they will, sooner than later, use their training to defend their very existence. I would love to go to Israel on a soldier exchange program, but they don't do that much anymore, especially for Military police scum like me. Oh well. Guess I'll have to settle for looking at the pics on here of the IDF chicks.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 7:03 AM

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females

I am not afraid to admit this but my daughter shots better than me.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 6:10 PM

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I think that the Israelis showed judicious movement into close scenario engagement. Plus the adverse news media played a huge part as they normally do. Kinda hard to weed those cockroaches out of their holes. I did see air and artillery strikes. In fact they appeared to be very precise artillery bombardment. As always you have to consider the civilian casualties and how much of the territorial infrastructure you want to leave viable. After all, if you rubble everything you gots the responsibility of taking care of whats left behind. Whether you like it or not.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 6:42 PM

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Ryo have been in Israel many time with family when pops work with IAWC. Israeli most judicious about who and when and how they strike. They have never ever really lost temper with Palestinians and don't want to have to. They 450 F 16, 150 F 15E Eagle Strike Fighter and 350 Lavi Lioth Dagger 3s that is Israeli make very special warplane. Is 5th largest air force in world. If wanted to they could drive the Palestinians into the sea and drown them all. So why they not ever do this? World media pressure on them so intense. But is nother thing. Is against their faith. And nother thing. They victims of genocide themselfs neh. Not want become like Nazi. Not want destroy whole people. And could do so easy if wanted to. But they have long term idea about Palestinians and want eventual get Palestinians to buy into idea. Is good idea too, but this is thing for different topic. And is true what pops say about lady Colonel. Ryo know her and family very well. Love very much. Good friend to this day. Ryo remember her shoot against her oldest son and my pops and her husband. Her son and pops out shoot her, but she out shoot husband. And was very very close as remember with son and pops. Not lose by much. Just couple shot or so. But Ryo remember her as very nice lady who wear IAWC uniform and the special golden wings of the elite Israeli Air Wing Commandos. Israeli Air Wing Command does not hand those out for just free you know ka

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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Israel's use of force

is still quite a bit more liberal than ours. The hoops we have to go through to fire an HE artillery mission anywhere near urban centers is ridiculous. Even though our counterfire radar can give us a very specific location of enemy fire Point of Origin, we are very concerned with civilian casualties. At least the Israelis make no excuses and recognize the cost of war as something that just happens.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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I said in an earlier post our civilian political thinking was creeping into the military. runaway I feel for u. Been there got the f---ing T shirt.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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Hell, i don't care

I've never held fire due to political or moral constraints. I have heard radio traffic with other elements watching people planting IEDs or putting ordnance into cache sites and they ask for guidance. of course my soldiers and I are yelling at the radio for them to light the bitches up much like people back home yell at the TV during the superbowl, but invariably, when asked for guidance, even in a situation where deadly force is absolutley authorized, the TOC tells them to keep eyes on and report. TOC bitches are notoriously hesitant to give the green light. that's why i always tried to pound into my soldiers' heads "to kill the bad guys first, talk about it on the radio afterward". Oh well.

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5 years 29 weeks ago, 3:48 AM

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Women are women

This is just my opinion.

Women are just as good shots as men but it has to be remembered that some of us are not as strong as men so we do need different weapons and not be afraid to admit it. We women sometimes have a fault that we try to be more male than the men and sometimes that means we will use deadly force when it is not always needed, but, I had an NCO who told me that as a woman in combat when you hit someone then you make sure they cannot get up again, because if they do you are stuffed, so I was taught kill every time in close quarters don't injure.

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