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5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:55 AM

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Doctors vs Gunowners

Doctors vs Gunowners

Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

Now think about this:
Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

So, statistically, doctors are approximately

9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT

ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors

before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large,

I withheld the statistics on lawyers
for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical help

5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:30 AM

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sam, so your telling us we should snuff our doctors??? lol

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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No, but did you know

that over 800,000 people die per year in hospitals and by Drs. with mis-prescribing or mis-dosing of medications...

5 years 50 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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I do consider you a friend, and there is a hellova lot more to be concerned about than only mis-prescribed or mis-doseages of medicine. To be sure, those are high incident causes, but there are more, like mistakes during surgical procedures and the worst one--infections caused by very poor sterilization procedures.[Hard to believe in this modern era].

You are correct: If you can avoid going to the hospital DO SO!!

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 1:50 PM

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 3:41 PM

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A very close relative of mine tells me first hand stories you would not ordinarily believe.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:34 AM

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I got rid of my doctor

I cut up his receiver, bent his barrel, and threw him in the ocean. Thank god we got that warning. Although I read a nearly identical set of numbers published by the Harvard law school in 1990.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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I hate doctors. They told my dad that his cancer had went away. Dad went back 3 days later and they done the same tests again and found that the doctor was terrobly mistaken. my dad died 2 days after the test.

5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:41 AM

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dont get me started with quack doctors and hospital assholes that killed 4 of my family members. thats why i'm scared to death to go to a hospital

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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doctors

i sent this to my sister who works in a hospital as a surgical tech. she is always preaching the evils of guns to me and i knew about this but i had no numbers to show her,now i do!

5 years 50 weeks ago, 12:54 PM

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There are doctor's groups that talk about guns in America being an epidemic and of course the JAMA supporting the anti-gun hysteria. Too bad science has to mix with politics. College-educated doctors that can't look at the published numbers of legal defensive uses of guns versus number of people murdered with guns. I've got a 1.8 GPA from a Missouri public high school and I know guns are used to save lives more than they are to take lives. Why can't these fags in white coats figure it out?

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 3:54 PM

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label. They certainly are not all "fags", and if one of them treating you saved your life, I doubt you would label him that way.
There are many hundreds of thousands of good, competent MD's in all specialties in the USA. During my 76 years, I was fortunate to have had my ass saved by several of them, most recently in 2004. I tell you quite freely, I couldn't have cared less if one or the other was a "fag" OR was anti-gun.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 4:01 PM

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Holy crap, LLE.

The use of the word "fags" does not mean I think all doctors are homosexuals. It is a word in common use whose meaning has also come to be recognized as "one who is lame" or perhaps a good synonym would be "wanker" if you understand the brits. With all due respect (Ricky Bobby would be proud), you can take exception to anything and everything I say or type and it will not alter my methods of conveying my thoughts or opinions one iota.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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to what you say, for the purpose you ascribed to me. I WAS interested in commenting on your method of expression in this particular posting. At the moment, I am most interested in how you came up with a common usage "recognized" definition that I have yet to find in any learned reference document. I do not feel responsible for communicating using British vernacular. As G B Shaw said, we are two peoples, separated by a common language.

I understood the meaning of what I thought you said, but how can what you say you said, be understood to mean what you say it means, under the circumstances?

I am pleased, however, that you do not think all doctors are homosexuals.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 4:05 PM

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Don't let people push you around. We don't need no steenking lectures.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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You ain't seen nothin, yet!!! LMBFAO.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 6:09 PM

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Many of the nosocomial infections and medication deaths are caused by procedural nursing and pharmacy mix ups. I have seen meds being used without laboratory reports, concentration work up. Most problems are made by patient misidentification. Giving the wrong patient the wrong medicine is bad. Each year we end up having a few deaths from giving blood transfusions to the wrong patient.
The reason the problems are getting worse is because nursing and staff are understaffed, overworked and stressed out. We expect our nursing staff to perform 3 peoples jobs because funding is so low. We are maxed out on insurance, hospital overhead and supplies. We just can not make enough to survive as a viable hospital with insurance companies and medicare/medicaid mandating services yet limiting our payments. For example NYS forces us to perform full pediatric transfusions yet reimburses us for only a fraction of the procedure. Plus malpractice insurance. we arein the red before we wake up each morning.....

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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I believe everything you said is absolutely accurate, because it is confirmed by a person I would trust with my life.

The way it was explained to me, the word for the name of those types of infections is spelled "Nonsocomial". This in no way is meant to be critical of you; But just in case someone was trying to research it.

I am guessing you are or have been a Med Tech, EMT, or RN.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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LLE- are you a teacher

I have had no correct my spelling as much since elementary school. And Yes I was a Clinical Lab Scientist for a while. I went to the Product development side because it had better Health benefits for the family. Yes- working in a hospital had shit health insurance. When I got married all of the sudden I needed health insurance and the hospital insurance sucked.
Also, the work conditions were horrible. Blood bank, immunology, chemistry and hematology with some micro work. They expected us to work all sections, draw blood and work the ER by yourself overnight in a inner city shit hole. The last straw was layoffs. The health system dropped supervisors to tech's and laid off a few people. I could have taken a pert-time because I had no seniority. Now I am developing the Bio-Chemical Systems, dealing with compliance issues and product launches. Had to go back to graduate school but its working out.
It is a strange mentality when a society trims their budget from education, health care and law enforcement. The NYS government wants to go after the working people, not cut welfare for people who do not work. Lets cut police salaries because we spent all our money on handouts. Now I understand everyone needs help sometimes- I am speaking of welfare of the generational nature where people never get out of poverty because they are dependent on the government handout........fuck it.....work hard and get rewarded still works...

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 6:40 PM

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Guns Vs. Doctors

I love it when people like SamD bring in logic to the gun debate. To bad sound logic isn't used when passing gun restrictions for "our safety". Even when it is however, the congress is quick to tell us that those facts are skewed and we need to pay attention to the real issue at hand. Then in the same breath they tell us that one person out of 100 will be effected by gun violence. Listen, I'll be the first in line to ban every kind of firearm, bb gun, slingshot, hell even rubber band guns in the name of safety as long the courts will stipulate that in the same interest we must do away with doctors, cars, and swimming pools. Actually, better make it any puddle greater than 12 inches from end to end, and greater than 2 inches deep.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 6:43 PM

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Amen Tack

Good hearing from you!

5 years 50 weeks ago, 8:47 PM

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I will never

trust a doctor again. they act like they control MY life.

5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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You will rejoice if one day, a Doc saves your ass--or would that be your TAIL?

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:37 PM

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snakes tail!

like the tail on a cottontail rabbit!lol

5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:52 PM

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a hellova funny lookin snake!!LOL

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:03 PM

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Why is everyone lookin at my ass for?

5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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VERY cute. Could you please post a picture??

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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Snakeless!

show it big boy!yummy!

5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:41 PM

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Grease and LLE Are now an american EBEAR......By the way anyone heard from Big Bad Ebear today?

5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:42 PM

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Runaway, you gotta

remember LLE never grew up using or hearing such words as fag...it's a new world for him, so be kind :)

I have had some great doctors over the years and actually required two eye surgeries...in addition, I was twice hit by speeding cars, once on a bicycle, once as a kid while crossing between cars...always great care. In addition, last year, the doctor saved my 87 year old grandmother after her heart attack!

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:01 PM

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I heard that word before you were born.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:54 PM

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NOPE!!

Staying home never going to a doctor again

5 years 50 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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DID IT HAVE THE SAME MEANING? OR WAS IT USED COMMONLY?

5 years 50 weeks ago, 1:18 AM

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actually I did not want to admit it, but I invented the word. It was not the kind of invention that the common word "invention" means. It was a lot more like when Al Gore "invented" the internet and Global Warming. He had a lot of help, and I did too.
After people picked it up, it took on several different usages, like a subsitute for "coffin nail" [cigarette] and being tired, as in all "fagged out". Also some people attached a particular sexual orientation to it by calling other people by that word as a noun. There were apparently some British meanings too, but I don't speak British english.
When I was growing up right after the War of 1812, mostly, the word meant something like "don't ever turn your back on the British because you will definitely get screwed".
It became very common then.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 5:23 AM

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Not all definitions or usage can be found in Webster's or Merriam's. It is interesting to think that someone may not know all definitions or usages of every word, is it not? I actually got a mental picture of the kid on the horse looking up the word 'fag' in big, leather-bound books. Hah hah. Whether you can find it or not is irrelevant to me. As I stated before, it will not change the way I convey my thoughts. I'm glad I didn't make a statement about anti-gun doctors acting so gay, as I'm not sure I could deal with a lecture on happy people.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 7:00 AM

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where the American English common usage definitions of "one who is lame" or "wanker", came from? That would probably explain how I missed the thrust of your original statement. THAT is relevant to ME, because common usage is the bedrock of good communications.

I already explained that I do not communicate* using British vernacular, but I do like to be correct in the use of American English, if at all possible.

You certainly do not need anyone's permission to convey your thoughts in the manner in which you deem proper. However, what this interchange seems to reflect is that you may have difficulty transfering the exact meaning you desire to impart.

*Keep your pecker up!! [I made an exception just for you]

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 7:06 AM

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Ok troops

Short Arm inspection at 0900 hours PST. Pictures and rulers necessary. LOL

5 years 50 weeks ago, 7:48 AM

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stinkin' rulers--Some of us do need Viagra, however; VIVA VIAGRA!!!!!LMAO

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I have never had difficulty with effectively sharing my point of view with others. I am terribly sorry if you did not understand the meaning of the word 'fag' in the context in which it was used. It's a shame that someone may be so book-smart yet not understand current slang, vernacular, lingo, or whatever you wish to call it. But hey, man, I'm hip to it and you cats should be too, daddy-o. I think that was about three decades' worth? You may be intelligent, or you may be an old fart with a well-used thesaurus next to your computer, I don't know. however, if you can't figure out what message I am trying to convey, then I feel for you. You are about the only one. Hey, that makes you elite, huh? So anyway, this discussion is getting gay, so I'm gonna bounce, g-money. Peace.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:36 AM

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I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to impart by your last sentence, and I'm guessing many other readers had the same experience, also.

So, did we miss something when you said you never had difficulty sharing your point of view with others?...............

I do appreciate your accolade regarding my book-smartness; there are many different types of practical intelligence, and I am pleased to tell you that my Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale results yielded very high scores in the areas of Verbal Comprehension, Working Memory, Perceptual Reasoning and Processing Speed. I notice you are still in denial about how you used the word "fag"; That is regretable, since your usage certainly is not "current usage" in the good old USA. Perhaps Esperanto would help you with your communications endeavors.

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:37 AM

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LLE's last name is...

Roget, he wrote it. Middle name is Webster, he wrote that too. He is a very old (at least older than I) and a very intelligent man albeit some what imperialistic...LOL

5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:56 AM

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No--the word is "insufferable". I insist on the right usage. If we were talking politics [G-D forbid] then "imperialistic" would be excellent. But we are talking interpersonal communications here--I like "insufferable"--it's a lot more accurate in this context. You should not have blown my cover on real names, by the way, because now I will have to declare income from those sources.

None of the foregoing should be interpreted as UPNESS on my part, or DOWNNESS on your part. I took great pains to allign myself in a perfectly parallel orientation with the surface of the earth--elevation 225 ft above sea level.

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LLE I stand

humbled by your intelligence and the corrected usage of the word.

5 years 50 weeks ago, 10:05 AM

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IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:39 AM

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Esperanto?

I haven't heard that word in 30 years or so. That never was a viable language was it?

5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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When I hear fag...

today I think of a gay person. Years ago it was a cigarette. It seems all words are in flux. Good used to mean good, now bad means good. I am going back to bed.LOL

5 years 50 weeks ago, 9:45 AM

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Hah ha, LLE

"current usage" "good old USA". That's funny. I'm sure that was intentional. As for not being in current usage, perhaps if you changed the channel on your TV from the Weather Channel to something else, you would be amazed to see that some things have actually changed. Not all men wear suspenders and fedoras anymore. Although modern cinema is not nearly as entertaining as "The Maltese Falcon" or "The Bridge Over the River Kwai", it is useful for seeing current trends in fashion and language. Well, and Angelina Jolie.

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