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1 year 24 weeks ago, 10:47 PM

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Looks like the voters of the USA are going to get conned again. Eight years of "HOPE AND CHANGE", by a smooth talking snake oil salesman, apparently was not enough. Now the voters seem to be buying another smart-assed guy who knows "everything" and will return "America" to greatness. But he gives us little substance about HOW he is going to do all this great stuff.

He might make a very good President, but if he gets the nomination, if he tries the no detail approach against Hillary in the debate, he will be cut down by that lying witch.

Here is the latest piece of crap Trump is spewing against Dr. Carson [paraphrased]:
" Carson does not have the APTITUDE to be an effective President".

That of course, communicates to us poor, unknowledgable potential voters, that Trump KNOWS what the aptitude(s) ARE, that are necessary to be an effective President--and OH by the way, he wants us to be assured that HE HAS THEM!!
As a person educated and experienced in evaluating APTITUDES, INTELLIGENCE, and PERSONALITY DYNAMICS necessary for a variety of high level jobs, I challenge Mr. Trump or those who advise him, to tell us the following:

>What study or studies have you consulted or conducted, that purport to reveal aptitude(s) necessary for a successful and effective presidency?? Please give us the study citations which identify aptitude traits correlated with successful and effective Presidential performance.
> What aptitudes were revealed as being closely associated with successful and effective presidential performance??
>Are you claiming to have been objectively tested [either by business performance results or in psychological evaluation]? IF SO: Please elaborate, by-aptitude related to business success, OR by aptitude- score- by- aptitude test. [please provide reliability and validity statistics, also].

>We assume , since you have pronounced Dr. Carson as wanting in the proper aptitude(s), you probably have conducted a similar study and analysis of him, as that which we outlined in the challenge above, for you. Please share with us the details of your analysis of Dr. Carson.

Trump's claim that any other candidate is physically or psychologically UNFIT for the job, is just another unproven claim that SHOULD make everyone's bullshit detector go off----VERY LOUDLY. Next thing you know, Trump will be telling us he looked at an MRI of Carson's brain and found the cortex devoid of good neural pathways.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 7:09 AM

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I agree with you, I find people who I would not expect to be so gullible, failing for this guy.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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have Barn Breath.

" Carson does not have the APTITUDE to be an effective President".
As you absolutely know, a man in Mr. Trump's position is not the minute by minute or even day by day manager of all his business enterprises, he finds, selects and hires people to do it for him as he is going about finding new and better ways to add to his business portfolio.
Mr. Trump hires the best talent he can find to advise him on courses of action he should take.
Advisors, you know, like Secretary of State, White House Chief of Staff, NSA, DOJ, Chairman Joint Chief's Of Staff, oh well, you get the picture.
Maybe Dr. Carson is a good surgeon and a very nice fellow but does he have ANY experience other than digging around inside people's brains?

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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You are correct. He hires who he considers the best, and lets [expects] them get the job done. quickly and well. If not, he fires them quickly, in a way that makes Carly Fiorina's debacle at HP look like a five year negotiation. This is Trump's management "style"--pretty much Laissez-Faire.[sometimes called "OR ELSE"]

If he were POTUS during the last 8 years, his cabinet level jobs would have looked like a revolving door.

Regarding Dr. Carson's experience: No one should harbor the vision that his responsibilities stopped when the cuttin' and stichin' was done. Such an opinion would be completely erroneous. We have only to look at his accomplishments both in and out of his field, none the least of which is having had his world famous employer [Johns Hopkins] appoint him the youngest [ age33] Director of a major function. To have successfully accomplished what he did, took thoughtful study, imagination and creativity, and planning, organizing, leading and controlling a group of high level specialists, about the size of the Cabinet. Lest anyone think he is "low energy"--try planning and coordinating a never before attempted surgery, scrubbing and leading the team for over 20 hours, non-stop.
My assessment of his IQ is 165+, so big numbers like $18.5 trillion, and Macro/Micro Economic theory would be child's play, as would analyzing and problem solving in the middle east.
But you say, "he's never been to war ".And to that I say, "error". He has been to war almost every day of his working life---a war against DEATH, and nobly fought. There IS NO negotiating with a brain tumor or structural abnormality. It is a WIN-LOSE battle, all the way, and his generalship has been impeccable.
And so, Daisy,----does he have ANY OTHER EXPERIENCE than "digging around in peoples' brains?? [ a surprisingly shabby, insulting, passive aggressive question].
My answer is admittedly flippant-- A lot more varied than Trump will ever have, and a lot more meaningful for the good of this nation: thousands of lives saved and major advances in neurological surgery, versus $10 billion in worth; Phineas T. Bluster and Clarabell the clown, versus the quiet MAN.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 3:34 PM

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And so, Daisy,----does he have ANY OTHER EXPERIENCE than "digging around in peoples' brains?? [ a surprisingly shabby, insulting, passive aggressive question].
No, not in the least a PA question unless you want it to be. Calling it shabby and insulting IS shabby and insulting.
Hiring and firing cabinet members is just a wee bit complicated, confirmation process. If he had to go through that in his business world you can bet your boots he would be much more hesitant to both hire and fire.
Being a doctor, even at the highest levels of hands on practice is not management. Working with a team of specialists, a group of high level specialists, about the size of the Cabinet is not operating a multinational business with thousands of employees.
Prior to this thread I had no preference one way or the other about Mr. Trump or Dr. Carson, I was and am continuing to wait learning more about each of them, you should give that a try.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 5:32 PM

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around in in peoples' brains], Insulting to a great humanitarian life saver talent and winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I will be happy to retract my characterization, if you will retract your statement that"Being a Doctor even at the highest levels of hands on practice is not management"? !!If it is not, then --What IS it?? If a person knows and has practiced the management process successfully, size of organization is not critical----complexity may be--but size is handled by organizational design ---one of the necessary capabilities in the management process. Complexity is handled by what we call function/task analysis, a subset of organization design.
Are you implying that a candidate with no multinational business experience could not be a viable President?? We have had more than a few, who seemed to do OK.
I have studied and learned what I need to know about most of the candidates, and I am still learning, by listening. WHY would you castigate me by implying I have done nothing but be superficial?

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 6:37 PM

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Defending him from ad hominem attack are you? Where did I attack his character? He is a neurosurgeon, does he not dig around in people's brains???

Doctors save lives, some have more opportunities to save lives that others do, Dr. Carson has been in the business a long time. I don't understand where you come up with the thought(?) that I insulted him.

Now, about ad hominem attacks, your post "Donald Trump-- Big Talk--Big Ratings".

" I will be happy to retract my characterization, if you will retract your statement that"Being a Doctor even at the highest levels of hands on practice is not management"?"

I DO NOT want you to retract anything.

Ask your doctor how much he knows about the operation of his business. Unless he is a horse and buggy country doctor he'll tell you what happens outside of the examining room is a mystery to him, the corporation handles the business, he handles the medicine.

The gentle, well mannered and soft spoken Dr. Carson may or may not handle Clinton in a one on one debate, I would not bet the farm on him.

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 9:00 AM

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"BIG Talk--Big Ratings" certainly is not ad hominem--It is the truth, rather than an attack. The purpose of that posting was to point out that he gives us little substance in too many cases--especially in the criticism of Carson's lack of "aptitude."
My Doctor has an MBA, carries a laptop top to the exam room, and he designed and implemented his office complex and patient flow, using PERT. You did not answer my question--If it is not management- WHAT is it??

I agree Carson MIGHT be overwhelmed in a debate with Clinton, but on the other hand, he has about 40 IQ points on her and is quite good at instant creativity. I have seen/heard him be surprisingly sly, witty and thoughtfully and contextually ego-puncturing, all the while contrasting himself very quietly with Trump's style.

With regard to ad hominem---do you find the words "digging around in peoples' brains" accurately descriptive of what Carson and his team were doing?? I find that description gratuitously insulting and demeaning, probably because three years ago, I was the subject of such "digging around", and that "digging around" probably saved my life, as well as proving I even had a brain..............

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1 year 24 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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description includes saving lives.
Your doctor managing the business side of the operation has a distinct barnyard fragrance.
Your sensitivity regarding my comment is curious, what business is it of yours to be offended FOR Dr. Carson?
You are parroting middle of the road establishment Republican BS about Mr.Trump.
As for doctors digging around in your brain I am very grateful for the technology and the skills that saved you, if the time comes for me I hope there will be a good Doc to go digging around in my brain. Maybe he'll find something of value in there, ya think?
Lighten up.

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1 year 23 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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the Presidential Medal of Freedom, or his other worldwide recognition for scientific advancement, philanthropy, and education. I disagree with that,...Just a plain old sawbones? .Just because that's his job description, there is no logic that supports a conclusion that he does not MANAGE his life-saving business activities.. He engages in planning, organizing, leading, motivating, directing, monitoring and controlling, every day of his work life. I REMIND YOU--You have not answered my question: If that is not management--WHAT IS IT??
I am not offended FOR Dr. Carson--He can take care of himself. I am very concerned that there are perhaps many millions of Republicans and conservative hoi polloi, who are naively buying Trump's bullshitwithoutsubstance approach. That is similar to what the Dems did with Obama. They found their false messiah, and were too stupid to realize they got horribly conned.

Hell- if the time comes [and I hope it never does] for you to need a digging around job, I will be pleased to assist the neurosurgical team. I know nothing about skull cracking other than having had one, but there will be time enough to count the 12 cranial nerves, when the crackin's done.

I am trying to lose weight, as we speak..

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 10:07 AM

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Months of keeping this house spotless so prospective buyers can nose around, staying away during showings. Finally got a solid offer 2 weeks ago and I get a list of 'repairs' from the buyer's inspector, all BS to justify his fee. Packing up things, giving away things and throwing out things.
The house I intended to buy was sold to someone else for $14,000 LESS than my written offer.
Now I have to ask renters to move so I can live in that house. Escrow closes in Mid December, blizzard and 5' of snow probably,
NEVER AGAIN!
Selling everything and living in a apartment... No

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 5:45 PM

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 10:17 PM

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Too many disappointments lately. I fired my rental manager, 8 months of hassling with concrete contractor and the house being sold for far less than I offered.
I sold my Mercedes, gave my Ford Explorer to my grandkids and bought a new Chevy Crew Cab truck to haul kids in. I'm going for the simple life from now on.

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am looking at homes in CO and GOV jobs..............

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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there I would not know where to start looking. No Calif.or Massachusetts huh? If I ever moved to warm Florida I'd never leave but this must be my next to last move.

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 5:02 PM

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1 year 18 weeks ago, 10:03 AM

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his wife?

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1 year 18 weeks ago, 8:12 PM

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The wife is sweet as well, lol.

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from la cali ( keep that hell place),MA have family there(cost way to much and family is a POS),not sure what part of CO been looking at grand junction area south is great hunting.

I love the idea going back in a river and fish and not have to think is there a gator to eat me..................OR some POS with a jet ski,drunk in a boat,or a drunk POS swimming under water then pull on your leg thinking its funny.......OH I could go on lol...............

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1 year 22 weeks ago, 8:29 AM

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plenty of wide open spaces but city near by as well. Major highways N & S, E&W not too far away. For me, snow stays on the ground too long in Colorado. I do detest cold weather.
Weekend is over, back to packing and getting ready to move, ugh!

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1 year 18 weeks ago, 10:56 AM

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make sure there is no HOA.................

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1 year 18 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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Hawai'i, serious P.I.T.A. !
The house I'm moving into is one I've owned for a long time and I used it for rental income. Bought it when it was foreclosed by the bank and I got a killer good deal on it.

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