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you can goggle it but if your going to bake ( not in stove or micro ) you need it to be hot.Might be able to get the goods off line cheap as a lot of people are selling off,hope it works for you :>) saw a TV show last night on gun smiting THE STORE IS called " GUM SMOKE " ......................TY

Check out this website, they contracted a military testing facility to evaluate 3 gun coatings:

http://www.nicindustries.com/firearm_coatings.php

clint

Thanks for the link C-bo. Damn it tallguy... you're telling me I can't put my rifle in the microwave? There goes my plan A. Guess I'll send my 1911 to gum smoke so they can duracoat it pink.

I might have to cerakote something...more research coming up.

I've used Dura-coat before.... it looks great, but has to cure for 6-8 weeks for full strength, and even then I didn't feel it measured up to the hype. Thinking I'll try Dura-bake next time.

http://www.kgcoatings.com/

This has great reviews and is easy to work with from what others have said.

no, I haven't looked into them yet. Thanks for the link. I'll do a little research. I think cera or anything that requires high temp baking might be out since I have a T1 on this particular rifle... and I would prefer if the whole rig matched. Another issue is the detail in the prep work. This will be on an AK which is different than you're average AR or bolt gun in the fact that every single rivet or crevice will eventually have oil or some other crap oozing out of it, so every little thing needs to be disassembled and prepped correctly.

I realize there are a lot of cool options out there. I might keep this one pretty simple. This guy does some nice work though...

I have been dura coating for about a year and love it, i have done over 40 firearms and have only had one fail due to the weather , or bad paint but once the new color got in it worked fine,,, you can check out the pics at thepaintedgun.com

The only thing I would caution with painting your guns is to think like a prosecuting attorney. You definitely do not want skulls and "death to all" on your defense weapons. It makes it hard to defend in a court of law that you were defending yourself and not on a murderous zombie killing rampage at the mall with your ninja gear...

clint

I keep hearing all of these comments on how the apparence of a firearm can make or break you in a court if your forced to use it in self-defense. Does this really happen, or is it a precaution? I have thankfully never ended up in front a jury, but I would like to think that a little intelligence would be present, and other factors would be more likely to be considered. Such as occupation, police record (or lack there of), type of citizen you are.... By trying to judge a person based on their decorating skills, I should just paint all my guns blue with pink and white flowers. That should show them that I'm a model citizen.

ronin, I do not mean to pick on you, just a thought was provoked by your statement.

I have a defensive firearm to be prepared to defend my family. The key word is prepared. I do not go out of my way to infiltrate myself into situations where I must employ deadly force.

Instead, I prepare myself for conditions where I might have to defend myself or family and that could mean using deadly force with my prepared firearm.

Because I know this axiom to be true, I believe myself prepared for defense.

I tried to use the word "prepared" often on purpose.

True, your actions should hold more weight than your words; however, our society no longer subscribes to those ideals. When a woman is awarded millions of dollars by a jury for spilling her fresh cup of coffee on herself, it would behoove us all to prepare for a potential jury.

Having ammo with a skull on the box sends a different message than ammo with "self-defense" in type printing. Likewise, having skulls and/or aggressive typesetting on the defensive weapon relays the same message. Being prepared for a defensive encounter is symbiotic with life and death. Being able to protect your finances and your name is also part of the process.

If a defensive action is required, it does not end after the attacker is stopped. That is where being prepared for the entire encounter comes to play, what happens after is the battlefield most often neglected by firearm owners.

Hopefully we can bridge this gap and prepare to defend ourselves through the entire process.

clint

we are already fucked.If any of us are involved in a self defense shooting and the defense attorney finds out we frequent a gunsite such as this,and takes the time to go thru our posts,any number of us could have ourselves,thru our tongue in cheek posts to be made out to be different than we really are.The different levels of BSing going on here could be twisted any number of ways.Even our presence here could be twisted by an attorney if there is any shadow of a doubt that can be brought to bear on our actions during a self defense shooting.

so go ahead buy the bullets with the skull on it,paint your gun with skulls,and make sure you kill whatever SOB you shoot at.Be justified though beyond any reasonable doubt.

JC and the shop keeper next to the barber.
I still have a suspicion as to why he bailed.

The Appearance of a fire arm is a consideration without a doubt. This will play into the hands of a DA that has a hard on for putting someone in prison or worse in the chair.

That said, any good attorney should be able to pop that DA's bubble with the use of Expert witness and basic reasoning.

Something I explain to people in a CCW class is that you want to use the same brand and type of ammo used by the local police. Here it is Gold Dot, no matter what brand you use, if it is a FHP you definitely need to ingrain in your mind that your choice is that because it limits the chances of a through and through wound which lends to un-intended injuries of innocent people.

NOT because it will expand causing massive injuries and a higher expectation of death!

Just like if you shoot the person multiple times, it is because you shot until the threat was stopped, not you shot until it was neutralized

Your words in interviews put in Police reports can put you behind bars when the DA twists them to their purpose. Neutralized is used in so much of the media, movies and stories in print to depict killing that it should be a word you remove from your vocabulary when thinking of self defense.

There was a case in Fort Lauderdale Florida years back where a guy was put to task for using a 454 casual to shoot someone who was attempting to steal his work truck out of his driveway. He heard a noise outside in the middle of the night, grabbed the only firearm he owned and went out to investigate. The guy trying to steal the truck had a 38 and pointed it at the home owner, who did the same but actually pulled the trigger.

The DA kept beating the jury over the head with the fact that he had used a firearm designed to take down large and/or dangerous game while hunting. The home owners attorney ask the home own one time "Why did you pick that weapon to own?" He explained he had moved to Florida a few years earlier and while living up north he had used the handgun to hunt deer and it was the only one he owned.

No amount of twisting could twist the fact that the home owner did nothing wrong even if the DA was bent on proving this guys just wanted to kill anyone he got the luck to shoot.

Using an AR in a defensive situation, if it is a questionable shoot, will always be a nightmare after the fact. What you do to the weapon or how you make it your's (paint scheme, attachments, etc) really won't matter.

It is the fact that the AR is almost as evil as the AK which is more evil than a common run of the mill handgun because none of them is a hunting rifle or a shotgun which should only be used to kill animals for food which don't need to be hunted anyways when you can just go down to the local Grocery Store and buy you meat which was raised in such a sanitary, soothing and Eden like environment before the animal made such a grand gesture as deciding upon sacrificing it's life so no one who happens to still eat meat has to think about it's death as they sit a chew at least 20 times before swallowing.

of course this is all just my personal opinion and all the normal disclaimers distancing myself from the fact that I see things in a very black and white way when it comes to a waste of skin and air being removed form the gene pool.

I'm working on a PM for ya. Gimme a minute.

funny and correct,and i do have the phone number in my wallet of an attorney here that SPECILIZES in concealed carry shooting cases,thanks to my cc instructor.

I guess I'm just an idealist that believes if it was a clean shoot, then it's the end of the story. Justice will prevail and all that... By reading your points I'm definately screwed. I think the only gun I own that is stock is the Sig I just got, I own an AK (and have killed a deer with it), and neutralize is a part of my vocabulary. Throw in that I am a combat vet and an avid gun owner and shooter, and I will prob measure up right there next to Charles Whitman. Isn't America great? We have the right to keep and bear arms, the right to defend ourselves, the right to free speach ( in choosing how we outfit our guns), and the right to be villified for doing what is our right. The American dream has seemed to turn into a nightmare.

I still can't wrap my mind around the thought that bullet choice can be the cause of problems in a self defense case.

I think it's pretty obvious you meant to kill the sumbitch if you shot em.... silly lib's

why is it when you use a ammo the goes boom or has BB's in it they say you cannot use it? If it's a life on the line against a scum bad why dose it matter? ......................TY

Juries of composed of people. The average person is either grossly misinformed about guns, violence, etc., or is easily swayed. Ergo, a majority of jury members either do not know the facts or will be easily misled regarding use of force, ammunition, etc. It is a lawyer's job to LEAD them to think one thing or the other.

The choice of bullet and caliber HAS come up before, even if it was only during a civil trial following criminal trial. A recent example was that Arizona shooting (Fish maybe?).... 10mm used, whenever 60 Minutes or whatever show reviewed it made a big stink over the caliber and load used. (If memory serves it was a Federal HydraShok, which is an outdated load with low 'power' and no more wounding potential than a .40SW. It was still made to look "bad".)

Can if affect the outcome of your civil or criminal trial? In my experience, as someone who sits on witness stands on a regular basis (not me on trial, mind you!), it absolutely can. The probability is low, but I don't like leaving stuff to chance. I sure as hell don't like leaving it up the minds of a jury or the lawyer hired to make me look bad.

The good thing is that most ammunition and firearms that have graphics of skulls, dripping blood, etc., or wording like "unsurvivable" or "lethal" in their packaging or marketing are usually crap (the weapon pictured has expensive enough components one hopes it is NOT crap). Serious weapons and ammunition used by serious end-users (not Walter Mitty types) lack those sorts of visuals, at least from the factory.

LE ammunition is also often held to a higher QC control than commercial ammo (that's straight from my rep at ATK)....just one more reason to load your weapons with LE ammo.

The MOST important thing is to know your mission--realistically, what do you NEED the ammo to do? You can probably find an LE load that meets your requirements, and you get the benefits of high QC and reduced perceived liability. LE ammo is also many times less expensive than commercial equivalents. 20rds of Gold Dot at the gunshop is often $15-25.....50rds of the police product is usually less than $30.

Smiley-faces on gun shields and cutesy sayings are gladly not only accepted in open warfare, they are expected. Not so for stateside po-po and 'civilian gun users. I advise caution.

Now back to your original thread. In my limited experience, the folks at Lauer (DuraCoat) are nice and willing to help or give pointers if you call them.

That's why I Bought my wife's Springfeid XDM .40 coated in Duracoat Pink! get alot of laughs out of it, but may keep me out of jail! Got a great deal on it because of the pink, the gun shop could't sell it so I bought it $100.00 under cost! thought I could always redo it, and by the way Duracoat really seem's to be holding up well and would give them a thumbs up! just painted my AK's in enamal and baked the finish and also am impressed with them although the Duracoat seem's to take more abuse.
AKtheI

Bit $$, but, it could be very cool done with some playing around...
http://www.ezdipkits.com/results.php?pageNum_rsCWResults=0&category=7

Simple process, I'm going to try it out on my 308 and use Flat Dark Gray with the Tan Skull pattern.

When I do it I'll post some pic's.

Fixing to refinish my 75b in Dark Earth frame and Flat German Green Slide and Controls.
Post Pic's when it is finished also.

thanks, I'll check it out... I've actually been looking at that KG link. That stuff looks decent

Man, seem like they have alot of issues in FAQ's section, I don't like to do certain things twice, but there's always exceptions, Duracoat is really nice but I'm still on a budget, baked enamal is cheap and holds up OK, and you can download camo patterns for free just about anywhere! otherwise I've been told Testors model paint with an airbrush is a good choice if you need the skulls or other more precise patterns!

I wanted to try it out on the Ruger blackhawk air rifle first before I messed up a good rifle. This one needs a little touch up in a few spots. I did a really fast prep/tape job. Once again, the flash on the camera gives it a gloss look which it doesn't really have...

Looks damn good Reap.

so is this krylon or so,i'm thinking about painting a handgun but probably with duracoat

It was the only matte/non-gloss outdoor shit that they carried at Lowes and I didn't care enough to shop around. I was more concerned with playing with the colors/pattern and getting one under my belt. Next time will be better. If you're planning on dura, just do it during a week that is a little warmer and forecasted for sunshine. Let it sit out in the sun for a few days. The UV will help with the curing.

I did the duracoat thing on some firearms, and the instructions say 6-8 weeks. You can put it together in 24 hours, but will still scratch VERY easily.

yea, I realize it can take weeks to totally cure. Derek who has been duracoating for years, swears by sunlight and UV to help speed it up and give it the best matte finish.

I'm starting to wonder if I got a bad batch. I ordered a matte black set-up, and while it looked great new, turned out to be crap. I followed the intstructions to the letter, and am sure about my prep and mixing. I used to paint cars, and know how important prep and mixing ratios can be.

How did it turn out to be crap? It just scratches really easy?

that stuff

It just scratched and wore easily. IMHO easier than good spray paint. Didn't run and looked great, but didn't last.

anyone interested should check this out. Its a program that allows you to upload a photo, and it suggests colors schemes and patterns based upon the environment in the photo.
http://www.paddedwall.org/camopicker/

this was my first one:

Funny, I got to try the beta. A guy from another site I'm on developed it and kept us updated and linked as it progressed. Pretty cool program.

yea, thats probably where I found it...

You got a different user name there?

thats awesome. Im playing with that now...got me hooked!!

I Krylon'd my AK47 and mags, apparently too well for the Salt lake west desert, kids were up doing their sniper shit and I was training with handguns.......anyway, come time to leave we were missing two cammo mags and as usual no one remembered their positions at any given time, couldn't find them. I went out two weeks later and scoured the area and found them both. Other people shoot there too so it blended well.

that would be me to,only i'd lose the whole rifle with the mags.You guys that get to shoot out in the Desert,i am envious of,here it's a lot of buck brush,tall grass,trees.

Pretty much everything you imagine, maybe more.. Born in TX, rasied in ILL, Tucson in 78.. The only question was why i hadn't done it earlier..

Sheesh.. Gun stores on every other corner.. I remember asking about a good place to shoot.. and just getting this dumb look..duh, retard.. just go in the desert and shoot..

Where we are now its even easier..besides the two local ranges, a lot of time it's just a walk out and do it thing..i always do a shout out .. "If you can hear my voice" thing, and try to use some sort of back stop, arroyo, or hill. check my pics, think i have some (sharp and clear even) Good stuff.. and no cold weather.. cause this boy is a cold weather wimp..