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2 years 21 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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OK guys--I am calling for a first level GunsLot defcon. If you thought the "middle east problem" was/is complex, look what's happening now.
Those who like to blame Israel for most of the problem are finding themselves in the same position as the "good Germans" when Hitler came to power. He told them that all of the problems in Germany were the fault of the "Juden", but the good Germans knew that was a crock of sheis. They also knew that speaking up or resisting, meant they and their families would suffer dire consequences.
Now--the same thing is happening in the middle east---if you are not with the Islamo-extremists, and will not toe the line, woe is unto you and your family and friends. Brutal repression in Syria, an "elected" Islamist President in Egypt who wishes to abrogate the treaty with Israel, psychotic Iranian leaders whose verbalized goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and an apparent emerging second caliphate whose coalition includes Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia [you thought they were our friend??], Afghanistan, and some others, who all apparently believe that TOGETHER they can successfully attack and overcome Israel. This coalition apparently does not realize the lessons of history vis-a-vis "NEVER AGAIN".

The Israelis will never allow that to happen, even if their populous is decimated. I predict they would make the fanatical Japanese look like games players, and IMHO, at this very moment we are closer to a widespread conflagration in the middle east than we have ever been--and it is the Israelis who will be the preemptive aggressors---Obama or no Obama.

Some might say, "So what? Let them blow each other to kingdom come!!". It ain't that simple. A little forethought tells you the aftermath would probably mean WWIII, if for no other reason, to gain control of the oil and other resources.

"Hegemony" has been a dirty word when the discussion turns to international events. We may have to learn to consider its meaning, seriously, in light of what is going to be upon us, soon.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 11:11 AM

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incident, the numerous aircraft highjackings, suicide bombings and dozens of other precursors.
It's not politically correct to say we are at war with islam.
We ARE at war with islam.
Israel has no options, they must win at all costs or cease to exist. If that means using nuclear weapons I would expect them to not hesitate.
The only way Israel can be spared all-out war is to put ourselves between them and our enemies.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 1:37 PM

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Daisy---Yes, But--

I doubt that we will have the chance to get in the middle. First- It would be politically inexpedient, harking back to the Gulf War, then shock and awe, then the two Afghanistans. Second, I doubt we have the resources, and the resolve. Third, there is still a good bit of sentiment nationally and internationally, that says, "who cares what happens to them--they're jews--they are always making trouble".

Certainly, a message from the US that we would intervene swiftly and without restraint, would cause anyone who is not psychotic, great pause. But my guess is the Israelis are going to steal the march and strike swiftly and comprehensively, giving no quarter.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 2:38 PM

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with the jews,they were pretty helpful,with the germans,destroying jews during ww2.I bet if Israel see's Russia as a threat that preemptive strike on Iran will come sooner than later,that is ww3.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 3:54 PM

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hesitation. Political reality makes that doubtful though since obama is a muslim at heart.

I have no particular reason to be fond of Jews other than they are God's chosen people and because their enemies around the world want them extirpated.

Beside that, I like seeing the little guy kick the shiite out of the big ones.

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 1:15 PM

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THEY WILL kick the feces out of a lot of big guys, or die trying. I hope the first will be that nutty Iranian Ayatollah and his psychotic "President", Ahmedinejad. I believe that if the Iranian people can be properly supported, they will take back their country and create a genuine republic. That would solve one of the nastiest of Middle East problems. One could even fantisize an alliance between Iran and Israel. The media would immediately name it, "Isquared".

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 4:54 PM

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i have an israeli friend in tel aviv,she tells me the people there are calm because they know they will probably strike first,or respond to any attack with full force.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 21 weeks ago, 5:27 PM

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of troops in Syria.

http://www.yolohub.com/politics/will-russian-and-chinese-military-forces...

Lemme guess, it's G.W. Bush's fault, right?

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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they have not

this is bogus,your link is to some possible scenario inflationist.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 10:44 PM

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more to your liking?

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=274425

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 2:01 PM

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no hard liquor or BS

and this is BS,read the article not just the headline.

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2 years 21 weeks ago, 10:49 PM

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Wow.. sure glad im close to finished with the move so i can come back on full time.. Lucky scare'n me with the "possible scenario inflationist" and nope i didn't read the link..just got tickled with the PSI thing.. One thing im sure of is Egypt is no longer in our "camp".. Military has good western ties, but the Muslim brohood has a lock on the election.. this gents is NOT a good thing..

We're the only ones that don't consider it a religious war..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
2 years 20 weeks ago, 7:59 AM

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A RELIGIOUS WAR?????

Obama preaches, and refers to the Koran as "the HOLY Koran".

Yet he never references Koran 5:51. If you are a Christian or a Jew, you had best read that Ayah.

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2 years 20 weeks ago, 5:29 PM

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Koran 5:51

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your protectors." - Surah 5:51

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2 years 19 weeks ago, 1:19 PM

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one possible translation. Usually, you will find the last word as "friends" as opposed to "protectors".

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 6:58 AM

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LLE,
I do not speak haji, so I am not claiming to know everything about the passage. It might be true that I wrote one possible translation; however, just because you might "usually" find the last word as friends, does not make it correct. You usually read that the United States government is a democracy.

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 7:59 AM

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was that translated ??

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 10:02 AM

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i speak fluent Haji

BOOM!

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 12:31 PM

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What d'ya think of this quote from the" religionofpeace.com":

QUOTE// ....the word 'awliyaa' is used in verse 5:51, instead of other [arabic] words that would be more direct if the meaning were [meant to be] "protector", such as 'hamin'. In fact, translations that do use the word 'protector', turn right around and use the word 'friend', in other places.....\\UNQUOTE

Methinks political correctness is a feature of the Islamo-apologists, depending upon what picture they are trying to convey. They apparently have studied the great Korzybski------
Language, controls thinking.

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 10:21 AM

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lol

Good one, LBC

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 2:33 PM

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Ha-min, potato

It is actually amusing to me that there is a discussion of the proper use of a passage in the koran, when you can look to the bible and see many interpretations as well. I can agree with LBC on how I understand haji...BOOM, or a well placed cat sneeze will do the trick also (suppressed shot).

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 7:58 PM

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THAT is the question. BUT-does translation equate to "proper use"??

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 11:10 PM

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isolating comments

Good question LLE, and does the isolation of one passage merit doctrine?
And whose opinion is correct in translation? I have heard that the victors rewrite history for their benefit. Perhaps LLE is correct in his assessment...

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 6:17 AM

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those translators, other than their obvious animosity toward 'the religion of peace". Re doctrine:
you pays your money and takes your choice. I have noticed a plethora of apologetics concerning whether Koran translations were REALLY correct, and therefore we poor dumbass dimmi, infidels will never understand what Islam really stands for.
Like 9:23---slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Come-on man--That doesn't mean kill them--it's just an old-timey way of saying argue your beliefs against theirs!! OY VEY!

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2 years 18 weeks ago, 2:43 PM

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