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Here is an interesting editorial from someone outside our country as to what is going on!

If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people - not even Jim my Carter.

Obama's problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens. He has never abandoned the campaign trail.

That is why he opened Pandora's Box by publishing the Justice Department's legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley , Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda.

"Don't be discouraged by what's happened the last few weeks," he told intelligence officers. Is he kidding? Thanks to him, al-Qaeda knows the private interrogation techniques available to the US intelligence agencies and can train its operatives to withstand them - or would do so, if they had not already been outlawed.

So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers...

President Pantywaist's recent world tour, cosying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America 's enemies. Here, they realised, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners. His only enemies are fellow Americans. Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?

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So, if we capture somebody, are we supposed to given them a nice big steak dinner, tell them we love them and then ask then in a mother's voice if they would care to reveal where and when they are going to try to kill our citizens?? Oh, not today, that's OK Haji, maybe you'll feel like talking tomnmorrow after your massage and manicure. War is ugly. Then enemy is far more ruthless than we have been. I have no problem with waterboarding. I say shove pork down there mouth so they don't get their "virgins". You can not pacify an enemy. They want to kill us and that's not going to change. Being nice to them only makes them think "well, if I get captured, they can't do anything anyway".

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:13 AM

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You will be bowing and kissing his ass and feet. remember to face East!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:20 AM

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same reason that kids

are not scared to be punished in schools..and its why we have 13 year olds with "hit list"..the libs tell us you can't hit kids..so you got columbine so you got west virginia univ. you got terrorist laughing at us cause we are playing nice nice..they got no rules only a mission to kill us

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:24 AM

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It just goes to show that Liberalism/Socialism is a failed experiment. There is absolutely no proof that it works, nowhere in the world!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:31 AM

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Let's just all give up, hold hands, hug a tree, kiss a terrorist and open up abortion clinics. Nah.....on second thought, I couldn't live with myself, I'd have to let Sam D shoot me...so, then, let's FIGHT them!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:33 AM

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about the goverment whating to close GETMO and bring all them motherfuckers to the states..general concensus is they bring the back to south carolina and the lynch mobs make a comeback too...they will need troops to protect them not guard them

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:34 AM

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The liberals want to make nice to the muslims and then they can kill us all. Fuckem'

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we could pay the lynch mobs with "stimulus" money...

I would make a contribution to that. Talk about dew process, we gonna hang you until the dew process off your toes!!

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lmao

priceless clint

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I got it, I am so smart! Don't hang me boss, I just hope that I am not too old for the revolution!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:39 AM

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jihad/Haji/Islamist fuck we import.
one for one!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:41 AM

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an employee!!!
good thing for you morons (hahaha slipped that joke in) I have time to get back to my redneck roots and speak like an American. Oh boy, seattle is in trouble, it will be like Next of Kin all over again. Hey that rhymed!

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:42 AM

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Clint??

No answer to my dew to powdered water?

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you are correct, i could not think up any pithy or smart ass comment, so i let you have the last word. Sometimes I do that with senior citizens to help them with their alzheimers!!!!
just kidding buddy

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lying her ass off on the news...what a c--t

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can you come out and play? lol

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:57 AM

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Hello, Sorry I haven't been around, I'm not only campaigning on the European Elections but also I've just started a short course learning how to run a business. I'm seriously thinking of starting a Security Firm as that's all I know and I've really annoyed my old bosses so working for myself is the only option.

Has anyone got any suggestions, polite and positive would be liked, about business plans etc? PM me and I'll give you my email as well to send any bits I may find useful.

But beware I'M BACK!!!!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:44 AM

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she is such a human disaster. I can't afford TVs anymore. I keep shooting her ass on TV. LOL

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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Has anyone wondered why the British lawyers of a ex-Gitmo resident want CIA papers so badly?

I'll tell you all about an agreement made between two organisations which are Companies Limited by Gurantee and NOT GOVERNMENT BODIES The Law Society of England and Wales and The Association of Chief Police Officers as shown by this link (I do have a better copy on my hard drive I can email it to them if anyone wants to see it)

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:RAytUOx4VMEJ:www.lcs-test.co.uk/imag...

This link shows that UK Police Forces deny the existance of this document

http://www.itspublicknowledge.info/ApplicationsandDecisions/Decisions/20...

Now we will get to the seriousness of the document and it's effect on the US anti-terrorism activities.

The Memorandum as a document it 'self is not that long it must be remembered that the document is an instrument of UK Law and is seen as having the same legal powers as a Contract. The document may have also been introduced to make things clearer for Police Forces and Police Officers who do not have enough legal knowledge to understand the documents they were looking at, but as with many well intentioned acts they can also be abused. Due to the Memorandum the Police cannot investigate any solicitor I have this in writing from a Police Inspector Kate Scott, all investigations of solicitors for criminal activities are carried out by the Law Society and most importantly no papers relating to a solicitors practice can be looked at by a police officer without a member of the Law Society present. Therefore only when the Law Society says it's OK to prosecute a solicitor will a solicitor be prosecuted and the Law Society says what the offence is and what evidence can be used.

How it is used

Example 1 - Exact details of the Company can be supplied.

A solicitor (sol 1) is asked to advise on the supply of an organic substance supplied from the UK to Lahore in Pakistan, the organic substance did not reach the purity required when supplied. There is a contract dispute regarding 'Fit for Purpose' under the UK Sale of Goods Act and an Invoice has been raised, the client from Lahore will not pay for the goods. The purchaser in Lahore consults a British solicitor to dispute the validity of the invoice, even though the action threatened should have been launched in Lahore because of jurisdictional issues - claims should be launched in the country where the defendant is resident. Details of the transaction are held by the solicitor in the UK.

Memo was used in this way. The organic substance -sugar- could be used for bomb making due to the specific purity requested. The solicitor is aware of this and rather than dispute the invoice in Court he transfers the Case with the agreement of the client to another solicitor (sol 2) a small single solicitor practice. Sol 2 has the file but is unaware of the terrorist implications. Sol 1 is paid by the client or others to arrange for Sol 2 to be Intervened, this takes only two or three 'clients' to be bribed or encouraged some other way to make false complaints or an inducement to a member of the Law Society, for an Intervention on a solicitors practice in the UK there is no proof or evidence needed these Interventions are done at the whim of a single Law Society staff member, and these Interventions are never successfully challenged. But on the other hand contrary to image that the British Legal System has certain Law Firms dealing with certain categories of non-criminal or lower level clients i.e. Driving Offences in the UK are very corrupt as can be seen from this newspaper article -

""Law firms help asylum-seekers submit fake claims
Dishonest law firms in the "asylum industry" are submitting concocted asylum claims, coaching clients in false stories and even offering to alter people's fingerprints to help them avoid detection, it can be revealed.

By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 10:04AM GMT 23 Nov 2008
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New calculations show that the asylum industry – criticised last week by the new immigration minister, Phil Woolas – costs the taxpayer at least £105 million a year yet is plagued by unscrupulous legal advisers.
A law firm in Brick Lane – the heart of London's Bangladeshi community – suggested its clients could buy a range of illegal services.
"The firm offered a whole file with a new name and a concocted story that would be signed and sent to the Home Office," said a spokesman for the UK Border Agency (UKBA), the arm of the Home Office responsible for controlling immigration.
"They even offered an introduction to a man who could, it was claimed, alter their fingerprints."
Another law firm in the capital submitted identical asylum statements for people claiming to be political refugees from North Korea, with only the name altered in each submission.
During one appeal an asylum-seeker told the judge he was getting confused because he could not remember what his solicitor had told him to say.
UKBA staff also overheard one barrister telling his client to "go home and learn his story" otherwise he would fail in his claim.
The cases, which have not previously been publicised, were cited by the UKBA as recent examples of rule-breaking by law firms. The agency declined to name any of the legal advisers involved. If the wrongdoing was proved, lawyers found responsible could face criminal charges and be barred from practicing.
The UKBA spokesman said: "Any abuse of our immigration laws will not be tolerated. Those responsible will be investigated and prosecuted.
"We've already shown that this approach works with a number of successful prosecutions leading to substantial jail terms."
Altering fingerprints could be beneficial to fraudulent asylum applicants who have previously been through the system and been refused. The Home Office has taken fingerprints from more than a million foreigners, including those applying for visas.
A painful process to alter fingerprints using caustic soda and a razor blade is known to have been used by criminals in the past, but the UKBA spokesman said the agency was unaware of any successful attempts to evade immigration controls using the technique.
"As soon as you see someone with burnt-off fingerprints you tend to assume they are dodgy, and it is not a good way to start off an asylum application," he said.
In an interview last week, Mr Woolas said the system was being "played by migration lawyers and non-governmental organisations to the nth degree" and highlighted a case in which an asylum seeker had won the right to stay in Britain after going through six layers of appeal.
The Legal Services Commission (LSC) confirmed there are currently 263 firms authorised to receive Legal Aid for asylum and immigration work, with spending running at about £76 million a year. It means that, on average, each firm receives £289,000 a year in Legal Aid.
A further £23 million a year in Legal Aid goes to two not-for-profit organisations which provide free legal advice – £11.8 million to the Refugee Legal Centre and £11.4 to the Immigration Advisory Service.
The Asylum and Immigration Tribunal, which hears appeals against decisions made by the Home Office, has a budget of £112 million a year, but asylum cases currently make up less than 6 per cent of its caseload, at an indicative cost of around £7 million.
Crispin Passmore of the LSC said: "It is important to remember that these services are targeted at some of the most vulnerable members of our communities.
"Many have seen family members killed or imprisoned for political or religious beliefs, suffered torture, rape and other forms of persecution.
"Resources are targeted at assisting these people as they flee oppressive situations in their home countries."
Mr Woolas said: "I believe there are lawyers and certain groups that delay removals without justification, play the system and offer false hope.
"We want to help those that come to the UK who have a genuine claim for asylum. In fact, I believe we have one of the fairest systems in the world, with decisions made by an independent judge and cases turned round as quickly as possible.
"When people are told they have no right to stay we expect them to go home voluntarily, saving the taxpayer the £11,000 cost of an enforced removal."
Since 2005, under a system introduced to crack down on unscrupulous operators, only accredited law firms have been eligible to receive Legal Aid for asylum cases.
On top of the other costs there will be further expenditure at the High Court, where judicial reviews and other cases are brought as part of the appeal process.
Nearly three-quarters of all cases lodged there are asylum and immigration cases, more than 8,000 a year. A Judicial Communications Office spokesman said he was unable to say how much these cases cost each year, or break down the total between asylum and other types of case.
Asylum claims have begun to rise in the UK, following a dramatic fall in the past four years. The last five quarter-years have seen increases in the number of new applications, including figures published last week which showed 6,620 claims between July and September this year compared with 5,885 in the same period last year.""

END ARTICLE

Once sol 2 has been Intervened the files and all papers relating to the firm fall into the possession of the Law Society and therefore due to the Memorandum are covered by Client Confidentiality. This means that the papers cannot be seen by Investigating Bodies i.e. Police or Security Services and cannot be used in Court Actions and if there are no outstanding monies due to the solicitor the client can take his file away from the Law Society and destroy all evidence. Due to Tax Laws the papers can be destroyed after six years. Even if as in this example the action to recover the monies has started the solicitor on the other side is 'encouraged' to get the aggrieved party stop the claim for the monies due on the invoice.

Note : No Solicitor can disagree with the Law Society or refuse to carry out instructions given by a person from the Law Society, as if they do, the solicitor who is not co-operating will find themselves Intervened and not be allowed to practice Law again, the powers of the Law Society are not only draconian but in reality unchallengeable. There is not a solicitor in the UK who will not do as they are told by the Law Society.

Example 2 – Money Laundering and other Financial Crimes

Note that once a firm has been intervened papers cannot be seen or used because of Client Confidentiality. This applies to any papers.

A client has been buying properties to launder terrorist monies. The client gives the solicitor his bank statements, the firm is Intervened, the bank statements even the banks copies held by the bank are deemed as covered by client confidentiality, so the police et al cannot even look at them. Most importantly any US or other body investigating terrorist financing cannot see those statements, the money trail stops there. No more investigation.

This is just a brief outline and how I have seen the Memorandum used, if you want examples of how this impacts on the so called credit crisis which is happening now and why the British banking Industry should be looked at carefully because John Long Head of Fraud for the RBS Banking Group was given a breakdown including documents in the summer of 2006 regarding toxic debt linked to terrorist and criminal financing, they were fully aware of the amount of dirty money that was coming into accounts and how Bank Branches were taking cash payments of £21,000 GBP into solicitors accounts in cash from non-British nationals and then the solicitors were writing out cheques back to the same people therefore laundering the money. I can supply you with the letters and correspondence from John Long himself on letterhead.

Now you can understand why the Memorandum is a document which gives an open door to criminal activities and why the British Government does not want it's terrorist uses known.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:48 AM

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Part forgetful and part crazy!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:51 AM

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pelosi and her ass

there are many different ways you could interpret this statement samD.

i can think of 3.

1. Ass is the mascot if you will of the Democratic party of the United States of America. So we could extrapolate that you would shoot at every Democratic representative, thats a lot. Keep in mind samD is only hypothetically shooting at these IMAGES.

2. Ass is a slang term for Gluteus Maximus. So you would be shooting her in the back side.

3. Some would argue that it is impossible to tell the difference between Peloshit's back side, and her face. In this case the percentage of shots available for firing would raise astronomically.

From these 3 instances, we can clearly see why samD would be out of money, as he has a target rich environment.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:55 AM

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My thought is the first place they'll go is to the army's disciplinary barracks in Ft Leavenworth and the Regional Confinement Facilities in Ft Knox, KY and Ft Sill, OK. That'll put them on federal grounds where the states have no say over anything. I may be wrong, but if the fuckheads are brought here, that'd be the logical choice for temporary holding. As for the ones deemed "rehabilitated", they would almost certainly have to be put in a sort of witness protection program. Actually informing the community that an enemy who may or may not have killed American troops is now living in their town will definitely cause all the rope in the area to fly off the store shelves. As just about all our trees here are little Mesquite trees, and not suitable for supporting any real weight, gunfire will have to do. Although the rattlers are starting to come out....

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:05 AM

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We all know cannot rehabilitate any of them, but I can never work out are they brainwashed or do they really believe in their hearts what they say. Yvonne Ridley the journalist is a good example, I don't know what to make of her?

5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:56 AM

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Your solicitors are as bad as our lawyers. Lawyers make up laws and contracts that only other lawyers or solicitors can understand. The law should be in English and or American as plain and simple so that a 5th grader can read and understand. I think, unfortunately, Hitler was right about killing the lawyers first, but so was Shakespeare.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:02 AM

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Yup Sam

But this document means that evidence of terrorist activity and CIA interrogations when given to ex-Gitmo clients and their lawyers either gets destroyed and can't be used in future or it is passed straight to the jihadists putting everyone at risk as they are used as recruiting tools to encourage bombers.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:21 AM

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The little libs, the effeminate starbucks-guzzling Jeneane Garofolo (sp) look-alikes, believe rehabilitation is possible. They truly believe that one life isn't more important than another (unless that life is a baby, then it doesn't mean shit), they believe the government can and should help with all social and economic problems, yet they think the government should stay away from their civil rights unless they are civil rights they don't agree with. The big libs, the ones in the expensive suits in public office, realize it's a mistake, but they couldn't run a successful business without political ties, and don't want to be an average citizen when the government finally controls everything, so they do whatever they can to stay elected by the little libs. There is no way a college-educated person can believe more gun laws will lower crime, yet they keep right on trying to pass them. This is an act of self-preservation. They don't want to enact government takeover of all facets of our life, because they know our guns will enable us to put that to a halt in short order and they will be the ones adorning the street lights in Washington DC, swaying in the breeze. I AM NOT ADVOCATING THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT OR THE ASSASSINATION OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS. Likewise, they will do anything they can to distance themselves from the previous administration by doing these ridiculous things, no matter how bad it is for the country. Ultimately, liberals want to tell everybody else how to live, and they want it to be in a way that benefits them.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:23 AM

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Great thoughts and Oh so right!

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:34 AM

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Common sense from you as always.

Is it that the guns are more than firearms but really represent the ability to control our lives and be not so dependant on the State?

Guns are our defense, our hobby and also a bond that is more than joining a chess club or a golf club.They are our security and freedom so that if something really goes wrong we are not defense less we can protect those we love.

To take that away from us undermines us and makes us at times more reliant on the State/Government.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 9:47 AM

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Well put. In many parts of the world, the AK47 is seen as a symbol of revolutionary ideals and the power to make those changes. We americans have the same thing, but we can't agree on which gun best represents that, so we just buy all of them. The gun represents the equalizer between the biggest and smallest, strongest and weakest, richest and poorest, government and the masses. With a gun, a wheelchair-bound 85 year old woman can be a more dangerous threat than an unarmed NFL linebacker. I don't know the exact quote, I could look it up, but I suspect samD or Schuyler know it by heart, but there is a quote to the effect that those who beat their swords into plowshares will be servants for those who don't. Humans are competitive creatures, and our competition goes way beyond the actual necessities of life like animals. Our adolescent boys and girls still compete for social status, just like any social animals, but they don't have to compete for mates or food or territory. Yet they still do. We humans compete for nearly everything imaginable, and that drives us to violence. Humans don't have natural weapons like claws, fangs, or venom, so we comptete much more violently than the majority of animals who do have those things and could quite easily kill each other. The gun is nothing more than the latest in the evolution of tools which we can use to compete more effectively. The very idea of liberty in a group of social animals is unnatural, but we see it as the divine right of all people, so the gun is what we use now to compete for that liberty.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:04 AM

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Firearms are -

Your Right under your Constitution.

Your Duty to have as a Citizen of your Country to protect your Country.

and

Your Responsability to own to Protect your Family.

No Government should ever be allowed to take that from you.

5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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I agree, kerry

And yet the liberals like my neighbors think only the police and military should have them. I'm an army military policeman and a desk sergeant and after seeing all the different offenses that occur on my post, I can say that we soldiers are a cross-section of American society, and that means we have pieces of shit in our ranks, people who will go rob other people if they have the opportunity, so I want guns to defend me against government-mandated tyranny as well as the private endeavors of pieces of shit who happen to be wearing a uniform during the day. As for the police, my wife's ex-boyfriend broke or bruised all 12 of her ribs in one beating session, and he's a cop. Small-town Missouri departments stick up for each other. The only reaon he's still alive is because she says he's a good father to his two sons, but he is proof, like many other people can show, that cops are people too and are subject to the same excesses we non-sworn types are. My guns will allow me to more effectively defend myfamily, myself, and my community, in that order, from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And an enemy is anyone or group who tries to deprive me of my civil rights by force. Whether it's one man invading my bedroom, one tactical team invading my home, or one hostile army invading my nation, my rifle will make any success for them a costly one. And that attitude, my friends, is the American one

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