Shakleford  |
I started doing this last weekend for practice. A little strange, but still shot decent! "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou Glock art with me; thy extra mags and thy ammo they comfort me."
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luckybychoice
PPC league several strings of fire were one-handed,strong and weak hand shooting.It will really let ya know what you might want to improve on.
But it is a good skill to practice.
Shakleford
the feel of my wedding ring against the guns grip! Funny how you never think about things like that.
luckybychoice
you have there,i'm gonna remember that one.Do they have you shoot weak hand at the plate match?
Shakleford
not at the plate match. I heard you have to do it in the IDPA matches that I'am getting ready to start, so I thought I'd practice. Should be a good skill to know.
ecaman
Think about a self defense situation. You never know what the circumstances will be. You need to learn to be completely familiar with every gun you might have to use in a self defense situation, with either hand. Your dominate hand could be hurt, and if you're not familiar with using your weak hand, you'd be the next thing to defenseless. You might have to shoot around a barrier where you can't use your dominate hand. That's bad enough if it's just you, but truly awful if you're also defending your family. I'm not saying that you have to be a championship bullseye shooter with your weak hand, but you should be competent enough to ensure that the spread of your group will be no larger than your aggressor's heart.
runawaygun762
Very few people can finish a shooting competition using two handed holds with all hits in an area the size of a heart. I say competitions as my example, because that's about as close to real-life contact as you can get in a training environment. The (approximately) three inch width and four inch height of a human heart is a very small target, but if you can place one or more hits in the area between the nipples and from the upper breadbasket region to the clavicle area, the chance of secondary missiles being caused by the bullet striking the sternum is good. Also think about human anatomy and you see why this is the region to go for. I understand the "aim small, miss small" concept, but in my opinion, training to be able to control the gun with multiple rounds while keeping them mostly in the area of a DVD case laid on it's side is a good idea. I'll post a pic of an anatomical model so you can get a better idea.
luckybychoice
i know 'cause i now have 3 of his DVDs,Thank you NRA,but he states time and again that getting multiple shots into an area the size that you have already stated,(but since i'm a carpenter i'll go with 8"x 8")smoothly and fast will create multiple wound channels as opposed to putting each round into the same hole,not that anyone would be doing that with adrenaline and conditions being elevated to the "holy fuckin shit"level.
The idea is to get rounds on target as quickly and efficently as possible,that comes with training,Consistent presentation of the firearm on target,mindset(you have committed to shoot haven't you),rounds fired ,and assess.
runawaygun762
I don't know what Mr Pincus advocates as far as number of rounds, but the "two in the chest, one in the head" really bugs me. I say train to get as many rounds in the upper chest as you can within about 1.5 seconds from the first shot. This maximizes chances to open up big arteries, damage vital organs, and possibly hit the upper spine before the body goes into its defensive mode of releasing endorphines, adrenaline, and shutting down non-vital arteries. Getting the bad guy to go into hypovolemic shock as quickly as possible minimizes the amount of time he can fight back and certainly tests the courage of his convictions.
luckybychoice
he has never said"two in the chest,one in the head",He does fire multiple rounds on target and assesses the target and SURROUNDINGS just in case there are multiple targets(which i am sure you are very competent with).
Also,take any lull in the action to reload and he has several drills for this(again i'm sure you know this too).
While i know this stuff as well it is good to reinforce and putting his drills into my own range time,makes for a more interesting shooting experience.coolman
runawaygun762
I can't remember who it was, but there was a firearms trainer who used to tell his students to engage the target, then when they were scanning for additional threats, if they saw him hold up a certain number of fingers, to reengage the target with that number of rounds. He said he'd see students, many of whom were the high-speed "operator" types simply going through the motions of scanning, but not really looking. He'd position himself in different places along the range, so not everyone on the line would get a good view of his hands. He'd do this to illustrate the fact that different angles changes what you see and don't see. My scanning goes as such: A quick swivel in each direction to check for obvious threats and potential spots of cover for me, back at the primary, look right, back at the primary, look left, back at the primary, look to the rear over the right shoulder, back at the primary, look to the rear over the left shoulder, back at the primary. Of course, if I have a good source of cover identified that still allows view of the primary, then I move there first.
Snake
I tried a few times. Im a better shot with rifles than with pistols so I will stick to my rifle.
LittleDragon
first want to get good with right hand before trying off hand. ryo is right hand person, demo both pops and little brother are left hand. if weird though because both shoot rifle right hand, demo both shoot pistol left hand. btw, ryo pops is extremely expert marksman with rifle, demo could not hit ground in three try with pistol! lol
your friend alway,
LittleDragon
PS need get in touch with you in private. when read this dozo (please) send ryo pm mail here at the forum.
LittleDragon
dozo get on messenger neh. hope chat with you soon!
your friend alway,
LittleDragon
samD
Or are you on MSN?
Snake
I am on Messanger I will be there a few minutes.please join me.
ronin1604
I used to be the marksmanship instructor in my last unit, and am the mastergunner in my current. We don't practice it as offten as I would like, but do practice it with pistols. We just take it one step further...we use cravats to bind the dominate arm, simulating a wound imobilizing it. From there, we make them draw (from strong side) fire, reload and engage again. All weak hand and one handed. It's an eye-opener the first time you try it.
Knesekguns
/agree ronin
good training
greg az
Part of the agencys transision to Glocks was a complete change in professionalism. Till then we had always been the stepchild of AZ's LE depts. We changed both our hiring policy, and range qualifications to meet peace officer standards. This was fazed in over three years, due to the "attrition" factor. but we still lost staff. Did help our long term goal of Officer retention. The initial transistion was a hoot, half the range masters werent profeciant with auto's and in Florence (our major facility, ten prisons total in AZ) alone we had three accidental self inflicted wounds (two feet, one hand) while the range masters were doing there Glock transision. As hilarious as this is its a 100% unembelished fact. Just good old boys who werent up to speed. think i posted once that we usta spend more time with shotguns before this change. Anyway the final course of fire had stress and tactical reloads at 7yds. and 10 rounds week, with a mag change after 5rounds. I had read somewhere that if you hold your hand at a 45 degree inward it helps with weak hand and seemed to.