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6 years 23 weeks ago, 9:19 AM

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So far, all the pistols I own have an external safety. What is ur opinion...External safety or no external safety, such as on Glocks and XD's. Also, do the Sig P250 and H&K USP have an external safety?

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:32 AM

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I like my Glocks,

Because they are so safe. Drop them, throw them, they have never made one go off unless the trigger is pulled. It is mechanically impossible to do. I am sure some fool out there can make it happen, but that would be in the extreme. A gun is a defensive weapon, in my or any responsible persons hand. Taking the safety off is one more advantage to the bad guy.

6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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external safety

sometimes the simplest question can cause profound thought.
First question is why do you need or want a safety. Is the safety to protect others from playing with your gun? Are you spastic or twitchy? Afraid you will drop it. I really have not heard of a gun fireing on its own, have you? Do you live in California or Massachusetts? Most important is what is the purpose of your gun. In Mass you must store your gun unloaded and with a gunlock secured. Not a lot of help in self defense is it? Plan to concealed carry it. External safeties will probably result in your death, better to carry a tire iron. Plan to keep it home and worship it. Maybe then an external safety makes sense.

It sucks to face the action end of a barrel and be out of bullets.
6 years 23 weeks ago, 1:09 PM

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maybe

the biggest external safety is the dummy holding the gun

6 years 23 weeks ago, 2:13 PM

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external safties

I like them on some guns (like my 1911) and not on others, like my carry guns.

No, the P250 does not have an external safety. It has a firing pin safety.

The USP has different variants... some are single action/double action with decock and external safety. some are SA/DA with decock and no external safety. some are DA only with no safety. some are SA/DA with safety but no decock etc... just find the model you want that fits your needs.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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Thanks for all the help guys! I believe I am going to go with no external safety though, because I might carry it.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:14 AM

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what make did you decide on?

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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Still havent

Still havent, this is the hardest decision on what gun 2 buy I have ever made. But I have narrowed it down 2:
1.Sig P250 .40S&W
2.H&K USP .40S&W
3.Springfield XDm .40S&W

I believe I have decided on .40 rather than .45 though...the only thing going for the .45 is stopping power.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:47 AM

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From all that I have read, the .40 will do the job as efficiently as a .45. Plus more accessible and somewhat cheaper ammo.
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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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Hunter59

go for 2.H&K USP .40S&W

6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:48 AM

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Yup

he's/she is right lolololol

6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:52 AM

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Thanks Snake & samD

Thanks for the input guys. What really persuaded me samD, is that most police forces in cities where the crime rate is high(Boston for example)use .40 pistols. And Snake, I would really like to find a USP to hold before I make the decision, but nobody has 1.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:56 AM

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.40

Most LE now use the .40 as standard issue.
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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:58 AM

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Boston area

In the Boston area all you need is an Airsoft. Point it at a liberal and they will pee their little panties and that is the male species although really emasculated in Boston... LOL

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 10:54 AM

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Try your local gun range or gunshop. If your gunshop has one with a try then buy policy then go for it.

6 years 23 weeks ago, 11:00 AM

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you have narrowed it down to some good choices. have you tried the sig p226 or p229? i'm not that big of a p250 fan. anyways... all are fine choices. I would definately thry to fire them all, or at te least, hold them.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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Trigger Pull

The only thing that turned me away from the 226 and 229 is the trigger pull, which is about 10 pounds, compared to the 6 pounds of the 250. But I guess I could always have a trigger job done:)

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

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it is only 10 lbs. when its DA only (de-cocked). it will be 4.5 lbs when it is DA/SA. unless you choose to decock the weapon... it will always be at 4.5 lbs. they are very smooth triggers. no need for trigger job. i suggest you hold/shoot one to see for yourself. the p250 is DA only... like a glock or XD.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:15 PM

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I get what u mean now Reaper, I must have not paid attention to that on their site. Which Sig would u suggest out of the 250,226,&229???

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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if you're looking at the p250 (DA only with polymer frame), they're honestly not much different than a glock ot XD, and they cost more.

If you want to see what a true sig feels like, check out the P226 (fullsize) or p229 (somewhat compact). they are basically the same gun, but the p229 is about 1/2" shorter. both great. depends if you're gonna leave it on your night stand, carry it etc... just go with what ever fits you best. I know FBI and homeland security carry the p229 in .40. you can even find FBI trade in's that are sig certified with warrenty and in good shape for around $500

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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Thanks for the help Reaper. Do the P226 & P229 have external safeties(sorry, I dont know very much about Sig's)? Also, what is the price range for a new 226 or 229? I hope I am not bothering u w/ all these questions.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:38 PM

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no worries. no external safties, but you can de-cock the hammer so it has a 10 lb. triger pull like you stated above. they are usually around $750-$800 NIB

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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Thanks so much for all the info! I will definitely consider Sig as a choice.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 1:05 PM

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Question... If I put a ported barrel on my Glock19, will that be a problem, when shooting self defense ammo? I know they sell the 19C, just a thought...
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it will not cause any problem with shooting defense ammo... but unless you have your slide milled to let the pressure out (or buy a g19c slide) the ported barrel will do nothing. as you probably know, the proted barrel releases gases as the bullet spirals through it, but if there is no way for the gases to escape (ie. proted barrel with your normal slide) it will pretty much be the same as shooting with your factory barrel. if you look at the 19c, both the barrel and slide are ported. you will need both of these to reap the true benefits of the ported barrel.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 2:14 PM

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40. in a 45.

sombody i know says he shoots 40. cals out of his 45. wouldnt that fuck it up?

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 2:17 PM

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tell him to read snake's post "what the hell is wrong with my neighbor?"... which brings you to your next point. DON'T SMOKE CRACK

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 4:49 AM

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The only problem with a ported barrel is when you shoot it at low light. The flash from the ports will kill your night vision. You will not be able to see your front sight after the first shot.

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Point well taken. Never thought of that... Thanks, fordvg

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