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3 years 46 weeks ago, 3:47 PM

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The Facts Please...

If there is one thing that will absolutely drive the anti gun crowd nuts it is facts. They simply cannot stand the truth so for most arguments they manufacture facts and present debate based on a falsetto truth. Case in point. The state where I live, which by the way according to my sister is the true home of Hooterville, just passed in the house a bill that would allow holders of concealed weapons permits to keep their weapon out of site in their parked vehicles while at work. Thankfully the bill passed by a 69-16 vote. The author of the bill correctly stated that the purpose of a concealed weapons permit is to allow citizens to protect themselves. He said that if they have to leave their guns at home, they can't do that, and that the passage of this bill would help workers who want their guns while traveling to and from work. Well true to form, one of the anti gun libs in the house pulled his own chain and argued against the bill. He cited an incident from his business in which an armed employee kept law officers at bay during a 10-hour stand off. First this incident occurred before the bill was enacted so this is not a valid example of anything surrounding this bill. Secondly, the fact is that criminals do not use permits. Further investigation showed that this employee did not have a CCW. Facts that this anti gun Lib in the house convenately left out of his argument. Amazing isn't it?

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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Facts vs. Truth

Raz, you made an excellent point. But the anti-gun groupies make a huge distinction between Facts and Truth. To us, Facts and Truth are the same thing. To them, facts are relative, subjective opinions, that change to suit their agenda. Example: Their Fact: "Over 1,200 children die each year from hanguns in the home!" Truth: More children die in public swimming pools than from handguns in the home. Truth: More children die from drunk drivers than handguns in the home. Truth: This one makes me sick. More children die in hospital beds because Dr.s ordered or nurses gave the children the wrong medicine!! When attempting to comunicate with an anti, I always require them to "back up" their "Facts" - Not one conversation has ever lasted more than ten minutes. As Big Jack said, in effect, in A Few Good Men, "They can't handle the Truth!" They do not desire the truth and will not acknowledge it, no matter how evident it is. They have an agenda and the means justify the end!!

3 years 46 weeks ago, 10:12 PM

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RE: Facts vs Truth

Absolutely dead on right Bro. This is exactly what we have to put up with. Wish I could have put it that well..Thank You for the response...

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3 years 45 weeks ago, 2:12 PM

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facts and truth.the libs use these words as hooks to appeal to your good sense,and make them sound knowledgeable and correct.they use truths that are common knowledge like guns are dangerous...duh! but they take that common sense stuff and twist it around into misinformation like headshot pointed out.they rely on human nature(lazyness) to allow them to slip these seemingly indisputable fact through to the public.if nobody fact checks them,they seem right.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
3 years 45 weeks ago, 2:41 PM

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Facts, Truth, Lie's, everything....

It is what a person wishes to believe that wins out. Kind of like WAR, the good guys always win because they write the history of it.

But, the Constitution, Amendments and Bill of Rights are straight forward and black/white. No wiggle room no matter how much anyone wants to play with it as long as the Citizenry do not allow it. Hence the Second Amendment :

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/

Fuck em.... They don't like it they can move to Canada....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 45 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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well put isd! i agree 100%.i always say the 2nd amendment isnt a privilege its a right.the only problem is our founding fathers should have made it more clear what"infringed" and "keep and bear arms" mean,to eliminate any argument.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!

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